Killzone 2 being hyped...? Really, why?

Only reason is because they claimed to be a Halo killer. Halo made them famous or infamous. And it will continue to be a laughing stock if they're not the Halo killer, again.

Sony = Hype Kings, simple as that. Who knows, maybe this one will live upto it, from comments around here Drakes Forune did.the1stmoonfly

Can someone explain this to me. Wasn't the original killzone crap. What has changed?nmaharg

The Original one had alot of promise, but failed due to the glitches it had. This time around it has a much larger staff working on it and they are backed by Sony finacially. It looks to have alot of promise and if you havent noticed sites like IGN and gamespot help hype these games as well. Not to mention its beautiful.

People learn from their mistakes. Killzone had potential but the console was too weak to do anything drastic. I find it funny, first lemmings say "haha, the trailer wouldnt live up to the 2005 CGI", and when it does, they start criticising the game itself when everyone who has played it i.e. IGN have said nothing but postiive things. :? I am a lemming, but i can sure say that Killzone might be very good, but i shouldnt draw conclusions from what i have seen, and you shouldnt questions peoples oppinions of what they think of this game.

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[QUOTE="the1stmoonfly"]Sony = Hype Kings, simple as that. Who knows, maybe this one will live upto it, from comments around here Drakes Forune did.mmirza23

Either way, the games being hyped so much because Sony are putting money in the pot on this one, and marketing and advertising are the 2 things Sony are best at and they know that success is down to more than just a quality product. My point simply was that Drakes lived upto it's hype proving this is possible, personally I take everything Sony say with a pinch of salt ever since thay said Betamax was the future.

Only reason is because they claimed to be a Halo killer. Halo made them famous or infamous. And it will continue to be a laughing stock if they're not the Halo killer, again.

ReverseCycology

maybe its because for two years everyone kept saying that kz2 would not reach its target render....the E3 05 trailer

and when they showed the E3 07 trailer it did match the target...mostly even though it still doesnt prove anything gameplay wise it shut alot of people up about the "hype machine", sony for once actually delivered the goods....visual wise, as i said nothing really has been shown that indicates any thing new to the fps genre other then the cover system being in first person perspective...

but yea its hype is basicly due to its visuals and nothing else

Can someone explain this to me. Wasn't the original killzone crap. What has changed?nmaharg

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

1 some people learn/ evolve

2 much bigger team

3 much (MUCH) bigger budget

4 Incredible lighting

5 best character movement animation.

6 chaos looks immersive.

that's all so far

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

Arsenal325

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

Can someone explain this to me. Wasn't the original killzone crap. What has changed?nmaharg

It's hyped since it looked close or same to the CGI trailer and it was praised by tons of critics during E307 and Gamer's Day; however, previews don't always mean a good game, nor does it always mean a a bad game. Killzone 2 doesn't have an official hype yet but until the time comes, it will be hyped.

As for the first one sucking, yeah, go look at Age of Empires and GTA. Just because the first one sucked, doesn't mean the second will, and the reason why Killzone 1 was plagued with problems was because it was ported from the PC to the PS2 with only a limited amount of time available for the devs. Right now, it's the complete opposite for Killzone 2 where it has more devs, more money, unlimited amount of time, and it's being built from the ground up on the PS3. It will be a good game.

[QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

Video_Game_King

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

Yeah, don't forget GTAIII and Age of Empires II! Oh wait a sec, those were good.

The point is, just because the first one sucked, doesn't mean the second will suck. It really depends on how the developers learn from their mistakes.

1 some people learn/ evolve

2 much bigger team

3 much (MUCH) bigger budget

4 Incredible lighting

5 best character movement animation.

6 chaos looks immersive.

that's all so far

[QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

Video_Game_King

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

asking people why they are hyping a game over and over is a valid arguement? what answers do you think they are going to get out of this? hmmm.. my guess is the same answers we see in all the other "why do you hype killzone 2" threads!!!! DUH!!! yeah its a valid arguement but do we really need 20 of these threads in one week... we really just need to sticky one up there if people are going to keep askign this stupid question... LET PEOPLE HYPE WHAT THEY WANT! who cares...

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

leviathan91

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

Yeah, don't forget GTAIII and Age of Empires II! Oh wait a sec, those were good.

The point is, just because the first one sucked, doesn't mean the second will suck. It really depends on how the developers learn from their mistakes.

Wait, did Age of Empires suck or something? And Rockstar/Take-Two was making good games BEFORE GTA3. Ever play Space Station Silicon Valley? Lemmings? The same people who made those games worked on GTA 3, and San Andreas referenced Lemmings. Again, experience is a valid argument.

cows have nothing besides a lousy sequel to a lousy game and hype it on graphics alone.shoeman12

QFT

Lemmingspot logic: Anything below or around an 8 is poo. When you make one good game in a series by default that game is teh superior AAA. If any in a series is bad none can surpass lowest score given.

Post a picture of your game case and I might hold your opinion with more credibility.

Rewind to 2005, it is being hyped for 2 years, are you serious about this?

Do you really don't know why?

Did you see any pic of it or any video?

google search for Killzone 2, if you were living for the last 2 years in a hatchet pressing a button.

The problems with the first KZ were more tchnical than anything. This time it has a completely new dev team and they are now a first party developer leaving more possibilities. The first KZ averaged a "good" and missed that rating by .1 percent here at GS. I think it looks amazing, and I think Guerilla is a much better developer than before, their last game did get AA here. white_sox

1) Graphics.

2) Graphics.

3) Graphics..

4) Graphics?

Oh and dont fool yourselves, even if the original Killzone was cleared of all it's technical problems it would still have absolutely no redeeming qualities.

Only reason is because they claimed to be a Halo killer. Halo made them famous or infamous. And it will continue to be a laughing stock if they're not the Halo killer, again.

ReverseCycology

no cow ever claimed it to be the halo killer that was the media

[QUOTE="leviathan91"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

Video_Game_King

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

Yeah, don't forget GTAIII and Age of Empires II! Oh wait a sec, those were good.

The point is, just because the first one sucked, doesn't mean the second will suck. It really depends on how the developers learn from their mistakes.

Wait, did Age of Empires suck or something? And Rockstar/Take-Two was making good games BEFORE GTA3. Ever play Space Station Silicon Valley? Lemmings? The same people who made those games worked on GTA 3, and San Andreas referenced Lemmings. Again, experience is a valid argument.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/ageofempires/index.html?tag=result;title;7

And by the looks of it, it was underrated compared to the other reviews.

Not saying Killzone 2 will be AAAA GOTY but it does have a chance to be a "great" shooter since the devs have much more money and actually building from the groudup, plus Killzone: Liberation was a fun shooter on the PSP. It's no doubt the devs are improving; however, we barely know much about Killzone 2 ever since Gamer's Day so hyping it now isn't the best thing to do.

[QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Only reason is because they claimed to be a Halo killer. Halo made them famous or infamous. And it will continue to be a laughing stock if they're not the Halo killer, again.

blues3531

no cow ever claimed it to be the halo killer that was the media

Actually, it was the media and the fanboys. The company had nothing to do with it.

Besides, Halo 3 killed itself and the series as well. No reason to beat on a dead horse.

Its only being hyped by a small percentage of the audience. Dont be fooled by message boards like these, most people could care less about Killzone 2.kevy619

Interesting username.... Anyway, I have seen some vids of Killzone 2, and I'm only seeing improved graphics up to this point, so I'm not really convinced.Myviewing

Im talking to the TC.

But, it is going to be great, 20 brains don't equal 120 brains.

Yet another Microsoft circle-jerk involving Killzone 2 and another "The first one sucked, so the second one's gonna suck too!" comment.

Can someone explain this to me. Wasn't the original killzone crap. What has changed?nmaharg

The only one hyping it is you and all the others before you who bring it up out of thin air.

Only reason is because they claimed to be a Halo killer. Halo made them famous or infamous. And it will continue to be a laughing stock if they're not the Halo killer, again.

ReverseCycology

Yep, thats when i put in Call of Duty 4.

Yet another Microsoft circle-jerk involving Killzone 2 and another "The first one sucked, so the second one's gonna suck too!" comment.

[QUOTE="nmaharg"]Can someone explain this to me. Wasn't the original killzone crap. What has changed?Pariah_001

The only one hyping it is you and all the others before you who bring it up out of thin air.

Two things. First I seem to recall a few weeks ago (don't ask me how, jut popped into my mind after reading this post) you posting in a Gears vs. God of War thread. Someone made the point that we no next to nothing on either title. Your response was that it aws fair to judge sequels on their predeccesors, saying that "I had more fun in god of war than gears, so it is reasonable to expect the same from the next games in the series" (not exact, I'm not that wierd). So isn't part of this post hypocrisy.

Second, many cows and ps3 fans talk about KZ2 being awsome, anyone who frequents these boards knows that, unless I misinterpreted the second part of your post.

Two things. First I seem to recall a few weeks ago (don't ask me how, jut popped into my mind after reading this post) you posting in a Gears vs. God of War thread. Someone made the point that we no next to nothing on either title. Your response was that it aws fair to judge sequels on their predeccesors, saying that "I had more fun in god of war than gears, so it is reasonable to expect the same from the next games in the series" (not exact, I'm not that wierd). So isn't part of this post hypocrisy.Zaxro

I said that based on the standards of gameplay from both games. Not the reviews of the games.

I actually enjoy Killzone's gameplay quite a bit even though I admit it had its flaws. I didn't agree with the less than A score it got, but I could roughly understand why it was received. With a sequel on the way, it's likely that the shooter will be more complete.

Most of the people who say Killzone 2's gonna fail are basing their standards on the review first game and probably haven't even played it. They're just using reviews as mediators; that's not the same as making observations about gameplay.

Second, many cows and ps3 fans talk about KZ2 being awsome, anyone who frequents these boards knows that, unless I misinterpreted the second part of your post.

That was like, what, months ago.

The bulk of the people who keep bringing up Killzone 2 nowadays are the ones who have something negative to say about its predecessor and how stupid Sony consumers are for looking forward to it. Most, if not all, Killzone 2 praise is consolidated to its own board. Here, it's either defended or bashed--And defending a game is not the same as endorsing it.

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="leviathan91"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"][QUOTE="Arsenal325"]

Do we really need this same exact thread every day? seriously..

bu-bu-bu teh first one was teh crap! what about teh second one?!

leviathan91

Bubsy 2 sucked, Ghostbusters 2 sucked, the Sega 32X (something I consider a quasi-sequel to the Sega CD) was bad, Titus Software had lots of bad software before AND after Superman 64, this is a valid argument.

Yeah, don't forget GTAIII and Age of Empires II! Oh wait a sec, those were good.

The point is, just because the first one sucked, doesn't mean the second will suck. It really depends on how the developers learn from their mistakes.

Wait, did Age of Empires suck or something? And Rockstar/Take-Two was making good games BEFORE GTA3. Ever play Space Station Silicon Valley? Lemmings? The same people who made those games worked on GTA 3, and San Andreas referenced Lemmings. Again, experience is a valid argument.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/ageofempires/index.html?tag=result;title;7

And by the looks of it, it was underrated compared to the other reviews.

Not saying Killzone 2 will be AAAA GOTY but it does have a chance to be a "great" shooter since the devs have much more money and actually building from the groudup, plus Killzone: Liberation was a fun shooter on the PSP. It's no doubt the devs are improving; however, we barely know much about Killzone 2 ever since Gamer's Day so hyping it now isn't the best thing to do.

Odd thing is that I actually did look up Age of Empires after that post, and it sorta seemed to check out. And the PSP game was a different genre. I believe Square had a lot of experience with action games before Final Fantasy. Were any of those good? I believe 3D Worldrunner was OK, along with Rad Racer. Other than that, mediocrity. Developers often times are strnog in certain genres and totally weak in others. And again, I state that developer past is a valid argument when considering a game's future potential. HAL Labaratory is a pretty experienced company with a good track record, which is why I find it logical (not sure about you) to say the Super Smash Bros Brawl will rock. The developers of Killzone 2 (too lazy to look up) do not have such a good track record and Killzone 2 will most likely be just as good as its predecessor, whether that be in context or general. And Killzone wasn't that good of a game to begin with. And many people hyped Killzone up to be the Halo Killer, person who asked for proof of the Halo Killer moniker.