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#1 guitarsrock4eva
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

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#3 killerfist
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Come on, no one expected it to be a brand new chapter in the FPS genre. What did COD4 new exactly? Nothing really. Still managed to score 9+ and some GOTY's
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#4 bethwo
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First person cover system? I wouldn't say Killzone 2 does alot new, but it's not as if thats a bad thing.
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#5 Floppy_Jim
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It's being hyped because it looks awesome, it's had positive previews/beta impressions and because of the graphics. No-one said it does anything new.
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#6 McdonaIdsGuy
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I'm getting the game only for the multiplayer + i'm not a graphics whore i just find Killzone 2 graphics overrated,the game does more than enough to keep me busy.
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#7 glenn2709
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As long as its fun who cares ?
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#8 ReaperV7
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I know the lean n peak covering system and class badges system is nothing new ...:roll:
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#9 EuroMafia
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There isn't a rule that games need to do something new.
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#10 Animal-Mother
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As long as its fun who cares ?glenn2709
exactly alot of people seem to forget this here. I mean fanboys will be fanboys, but I know plenty of people who played the first killzone and enjoyed it, including myself
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#11 jhcho2
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

guitarsrock4eva
You try to avoid getting flamed by adding the term 'opinion'. But ultimately your point is moot. What did Halo 3 bring to the genre? Not only did Halo 3 not bring anything new, it had graphics waaay inferior to Killzone 2. So if a game that didn't bring anything new with 'nothing to shout about' graphics could be hyped up as the second coming of Jesus, why can't a game that doesn't bring anything new (assuming you are right), with groundbreaking graphics be hyped up in a similar fashion? When you look at it, Gears 2...unlike Gears 1, didn't bring anything new to the genre, but still people hyped it up as GOTY.

My advise to you is that if you wanna post an 'opinion', don't present weak arguments.

Oh ya, regarding the guy who claimed to have played the game.....is it the same guy who got a copy from his sister's friend's....(whatever). You know what...my father's friend's cousin works in Guerilla, and he says the game rocks
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#12 ReaperV7
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[QUOTE="glenn2709"]As long as its fun who cares ?Animal-Mother
exactly alot of people seem to forget this here. I mean fanboys will be fanboys, but I know plenty of people who played the first killzone and enjoyed it, including myself

aye me as well. good times on the multiplayer. wish the frame-rate was a lil better tho
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#13 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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gears didnt do any thing new but its still fun
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#14 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="glenn2709"]As long as its fun who cares ?ReaperV7
exactly alot of people seem to forget this here. I mean fanboys will be fanboys, but I know plenty of people who played the first killzone and enjoyed it, including myself

aye me as well. good times on the multiplayer. wish the frame-rate was a lil better tho

it happens, but hopefully killzone 2 will live upto it's hype, I just hope that the hype doesn't kill the game for the reviewers
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To the fellow talking about halo3 being nothing new how about website integration forge fileshare theater, how about those players that make and play puzzle maps? how about those players that make pics in forge? how about a rank system based on trueskill, whilst the basic fundamentals of a shooter are the same halo3 has brought alot to the genre and alot of people use the game to play in a much more interesting way than a simple shooter, I.e jump maps. so whilst you are entitled to your opinion at least back it up, killzone 2 as of yet has shown very little promise a rainbow six 3 cover system seems to be its defining feature, good graphics only get you so far.
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#16 wooooode
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There has not even been a game that pushed the envelope all gen, and your getting all worked up that Kill Zone is not either. The common practice seems to be just do it better.
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#17 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

guitarsrock4eva

There aren't much room for innovation in FPS genre anymore. Everything has been done allready. If you want innovation, look elsewhere.

And gameplay >>> graphics. One reason why Halo 3 is still pure gold.

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#18 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

guitarsrock4eva

the way i see it and my opinion on games...does any FPS really do anything new? I've been gaming a long long time and it seems like all FPS' are pretty much the same game I played 20 years ago. Graphics are better and sometimes you can have two guns instead of one...but seriously, it is still just run and gun.

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#19 GabeNewellsPie
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This is such a tired argument.

It doesn't really matter if KZ2 does anything "new".Its the most visually stunning game on a console and the gameplay looks intense.I'm sold.

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#20 McdonaIdsGuy
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This is such a tired argument.

It doesn't really matter if KZ2 does anything "new".Its the most visually stunning game on a console and the gameplay looks intense.I'm sold.

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lol i thought u were a lemming!
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#21 MightyMuna
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forgive my ignorance, but what did Halo, CoD 4 do, that was new?
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#22 MightyMuna
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This is such a tired argument.

It doesn't really matter if KZ2 does anything "new".Its the most visually stunning game on a console and the gameplay looks intense.I'm sold.

GabeNewellsPie
this is a quite shocking, you mostly write anti-ps3 comments.
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#23 MightyMuna
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To the fellow talking about halo3 being nothing new how about website integration forge fileshare theater, how about those players that make and play puzzle maps? how about those players that make pics in forge? how about a rank system based on trueskill, whilst the basic fundamentals of a shooter are the same halo3 has brought alot to the genre and alot of people use the game to play in a much more interesting way than a simple shooter, I.e jump maps. so whilst you are entitled to your opinion at least back it up, killzone 2 as of yet has shown very little promise a rainbow six 3 cover system seems to be its defining feature, good graphics only get you so far.sonny2dap
yes, but in terms of actual gameplay, Halo is just like other FPSs out there, it brought nothing new to gameplay, but still considered a good game.
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[QUOTE="ReaperV7"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] exactly alot of people seem to forget this here. I mean fanboys will be fanboys, but I know plenty of people who played the first killzone and enjoyed it, including myselfAnimal-Mother
aye me as well. good times on the multiplayer. wish the frame-rate was a lil better tho

it happens, but hopefully killzone 2 will live upto it's hype, I just hope that the hype doesn't kill the game for the reviewers

yeah the me and my cuz always played split screen against a bunch of bots, that was so much fun. i really liked KZ1
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#25 RuinedMachine
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seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3guitarsrock4eva

What game made you buy a 360?

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#26 DivergeUnify
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First person cover system? I wouldn't say Killzone 2 does alot new, but it's not as if thats a bad thing.bethwo
The cover system doesn't seem all that great. To me it just seems a console substitute for leaning keys on a keyboard
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#27 DivergeUnify
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I know the lean n peak covering system and class badges system is nothing new ...:roll:ReaperV7
The badge thing could be considered similar enough to BF2142's class specific inventory system and lean n peak has been on PC for a while( and I believe CoD2 on Xbox 360 had it)
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#28 Blackbond
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As long as its fun who cares ?glenn2709
My thoughts exactly. I don't care if it does anything different I just care if its good or not.
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#29 AnnoyedDragon
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Well let's put it this way.

If it does nothing new or special compared to other shooters and it is in essence just a pretty console run and gun, why should it get the perfect score people are hyping?

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#30 RandolphScott
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Killzone 2 doesn't need to do anything new.
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#31 killerfist
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

Well let's put it this way.

If it does nothing new or special compared to other shooters and it is in essence just a pretty console run and gun, why should it get the perfect score people are hyping?

I'll counter your question with another question. why scored COD4 so high? It did nothing new.
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#32 Asim90
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90% of games don't do anything new, so I fail to see your point? As long as the game looks and plays great and is fun, thats all that matters. Judging from the countless previews that support this, I suspect Killzone 2 is going to be great, people just need to stop looking for exuses to hate this game, because its getting boring.
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#33 AnnoyedDragon
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I'll counter your question with another question. why scored COD4 so high? It did nothing new. killerfist

I honestly don't think doing something new is a requirement for a perfect score, but a typical run and gun doesn't deserve it when they are a dime a dozen.

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#34 jhcho2
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90% of games don't do anything new, so I fail to see your point? As long as the game looks and plays great and is fun, thats all that matters. Judging from the countless previews that support this, I suspect Killzone 2 is going to be great, people just need to stop looking for exuses to hate this game, because its getting boring.Asim90
My point exactly. What i think Killzone 2 is lacking is a strong backing. Killozne 1 wasn't perceived by many as a good game, so with that uncertainty in mind, people see fit to question the gameplay, considering that they can't criticize the graphics. i didn't remember games like Halo 3, COD4 or even Gears 2 being questioned about what new features they would bring to the genre. People question the gameplay of Crysis just because it did better in graphics than in gameplay, and that isn't to say that the gameplay was bad, just not on the same level as the graphics. Now, people are criticizing Killzone 2's gameplay before the game is even out. I look at it as 'insecurity'.
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#35 st1ka
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i'd take gameplay over inovation any day
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#36 killerfist
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[QUOTE="killerfist"]I'll counter your question with another question. why scored COD4 so high? It did nothing new. AnnoyedDragon

I honestly don't think doing something new is a requirement for a perfect score, but a typical run and gun doesn't deserve it when they are a dime a dozen.

Well, we can disagree all we want. That doesn't stop them (the editors) to give those games AAA status. As long as everything that the game offers is great, it's worthy of a high score to me.
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#37 kweeni
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halo 3 & cod4 didn't do anything new either, a game doesn't have to do anything new to be a succes. and as far is i know(based on gameplay videos, previews and the people that played the beta) the game seems to be really great

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#38 robobie
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I don't think any game can do anything new.

Everything has already been done.

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#39 AnnoyedDragon
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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

[QUOTE="killerfist"]I'll counter your question with another question. why scored COD4 so high? It did nothing new. killerfist

I honestly don't think doing something new is a requirement for a perfect score, but a typical run and gun doesn't deserve it when they are a dime a dozen.

Well, we can disagree all we want. That doesn't stop them (the editors) to give those games AAA status. As long as everything that the game offers is great, it's worthy of a high score to me.

High maybe, but if it gets a perfect 10 that will be what's left of GameSpot's credibility down the toilet to me.

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#40 killerfist
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I honestly don't think doing something new is a requirement for a perfect score, but a typical run and gun doesn't deserve it when they are a dime a dozen.

AnnoyedDragon

Well, we can disagree all we want. That doesn't stop them (the editors) to give those games AAA status. As long as everything that the game offers is great, it's worthy of a high score to me.

High maybe, but if it gets a perfect 10 that will be what's left of GameSpot's credibility down the toilet to me.

What's worthy of a 10 to you? The number is there, they might as well use sometimes.

Oh and 10 doesn't mean "perfect" anymore. They changed it to "prime" a while ago.

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#41 blehblahblep
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Neither did Gears of War 2 compared to the first one... It still got AAA. /thread.Sollet

killswitch/namco game xbox/ps2 =rip off winback back from koei n64 days

gears of war=rip off both.

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#42 PrinceofSarcasm
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

guitarsrock4eva

nobody cares about the opinion of a ps3 game by someone who only owns a 360. Youd just say theirs something wrong with every game

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#43 joopyme
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i'd take gameplay over inovation any dayst1ka
T_T i'd take INNOVATION over gameplay, ANY day.. :P just as long as it's appealing in to me.. :D anyways, KZ2 doesnt need to be innovative imo... people are aware of how the game flows, now join us, and just feel the hype! :D
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#44 joopyme
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I don't think any game can do anything new.

Everything has already been done.

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i really doubt what you've said, friend. :?

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#45 blehblahblep
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killzone2 should be like soldier of fortune and let you shoot peoples heads/arms/legs off or blast a hole through someones chest.

lol soldier of fortune 2 is pretty sick you can shoot someones head into pieces piece by piece with single bullet lol.

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#46 Jrfanfreak88
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the way i see it and my opinion on the game

the only thing that people are talking about is the graphics. surely gameplay matters as well. and the guy who made a thread yesterday who beat the game said it isnt exactly a masterpiece. all the threads about how its the best looking game just show how many graphic whores there are.

seriously Killzone 2 doesnt look like the game that will make me buy a PS3

guitarsrock4eva
1) the game isn't out yet so you don't know that for sure, 2) the multiplayer actually does have some interesting things going on you don't find in many other FPS shooters, 3) a lot of 360 shooters like Gears don't do anything new either. Why does a shooter have to do something new anyway? What new things can you do with a FPS?
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#47 Gamersince81
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KZ2 does do a first. Only game that compare to Crysis graphically (console game). Although Crysis with crossfire 4870x2 with 6gb ddr3 ram (my planned set up) will look better than KZ2.
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#48 TheOddQuantum
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I don't remember anyone saying it was going to have anything innovatiove.
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#49 Giancar
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This is such a tired argument.

It doesn't really matter if KZ2 does anything "new".Its the most visually stunning game on a console and the gameplay looks intense.I'm sold.

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#50 II_Seraphim_II
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Not everygame has to be innovative. What's the point of innovating, if no one uses the innovations? After the first car was made, should they have stopped making cars and started working on something else? Thats not how progress works. When innovative and standard designs are made, people use them as the base of their projects and then as time progresses, they attempt to tweak the formula little by little to perfect it, and then hopefully, innovation arises.