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#1 Hydrolex
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Hey guys !

Seriously 3 games that had awesome graphics were MGS4, Uncharted and GEARS OF WAR !!!

but yesterday I got a copy of Killzone 2 and the graphics are better than all of them !! I mean Uncharted had more colors and vivid colors but KZ2 is just JAGGIEs FREE and sharp !!!

there are some ugly textures and that's just normal, everygame has that problem but KZ2 is the GK in my mind !!!

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#2 JangoWuzHere
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No ones played it so how would they know?

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#3 Hydrolex
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The demo is out there

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#4 SpinoRaptor24
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There's already a KZ2 sticky.
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#5 Blue-Sky
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Killzone 2 went through 4 years of development and cost more than Geow and Geow2 put together in both money and dev time.

What am I getting at? Nothing really, just that "graphics king" is because none of the circumstance are considered.

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#7 _rpg_FAN
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http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=59585 Interesting article
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#8 Jack-o-Thompson
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I like Uncharted's artstyle better but Killzone 2 is the technical graphics king for consoles.
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#9 McdonaIdsGuy
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Sticky thread,bye.
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#10 youjoofoo
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gears of war on pc blows away killzone2 and gears of war on 360.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2a6pk4p.jpg

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#11 Chutebox
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gears of war on pc blows away killzone2 and gears of war on 360.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2a6pk4p.jpg

youjoofoo
What number account is this? No UT comparison? Anyways, I don't see anything beating KZ2 on consoles anytime soon.
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#12 one_on_one
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Gears of War 2 was the console graphics king last year, and so far, yes, Killzone 2 is this years console graphics king for now.
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#13 youjoofoo
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[QUOTE="youjoofoo"]

gears of war on pc blows away killzone2 and gears of war on 360.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2a6pk4p.jpg

Chutebox

What number account is this? No UT comparison? Anyways, I don't see anything beating KZ2 on consoles anytime soon.

gears of war on pc looks better than ut3.

gears of war textures on pc are crazy blow away crysis.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2925l6c.jpg

that's not even best texture more on the way.

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#14 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="youjoofoo"]

gears of war on pc blows away killzone2 and gears of war on 360.

http://i43.tinypic.com/2a6pk4p.jpg

youjoofoo

What number account is this? No UT comparison? Anyways, I don't see anything beating KZ2 on consoles anytime soon.

gears of war on pc looks better than ut3.

gears of war textures on pc are crazy blow away crysis.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2925l6c.jpg

that's not even best texture more on the way.

Is this another alt account:?

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#15 youjoofoo
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gears of war looks like pure crap on xbox360 compared to pc.

the models are comparable to crysis max on max in gears of war, but crysis wins alittle.

but overall environmental textures gears of war texture's are more consistent and less crappy ones i seen than crysis.

i seen crazier on gears of war .

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#16 _rpg_FAN
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Guerilla shared some info with other programers and look what its all about "First of all, the lighting that many people find amazing is fake. I think it looks great and almost no one would be able to tell the difference between that and real HDR, but it is fake nonetheless. Killzone 2 uses bloom lighting without any actual tone mapping to achieve good looking lights that resemble HDR. Guerilla Games applies tricks like this throughout the entire game. As I've stated above, I like these tricks as they allow them to do more, but other engines (like in GoW2, R3, H3) actually spend the processing power to generate real HDR lights. GG had to take a lot of shortcuts."
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gears of war looks like pure crap on xbox360 compared to pc.

the models are comparable to crysis max on max in gears of war, but crysis wins alittle.

but overall environmental textures gears of war texture's are more consistent and less crappy ones i seen than crysis.

i seen crazier on gears of war .

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#18 McdonaIdsGuy
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[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=59585 Interesting article

In before fanboys call the article biased and made by a fanboy,he even said KZ2 is the best looking game.
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#19 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?
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#20 youjoofoo
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[QUOTE="youjoofoo"]

gears of war looks like pure crap on xbox360 compared to pc.

the models are comparable to crysis max on max in gears of war, but crysis wins alittle.

but overall environmental textures gears of war texture's are more consistent and less crappy ones i seen than crysis.

i seen crazier on gears of war .

SpinoRaptor24

How many accounts are you going to make before you realize that GS doesn't want you?

i have been coming here over 10 years, i dont want you **** here.

that one mod keeps banning me i was around here before he was mod or even posted on gamespot.

http://i43.tinypic.com/anehrc.jpg

gears of war character model max settings on my pc^^

http://i42.tinypic.com/mto1ac.jpg

crysis warhead max settings on my pc

gears of war is easily comparable.

imagine if someone made pc only unreal engine 3 game lol.

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#21 killerfist
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Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Wow that's deep.
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#22 youjoofoo
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casey is a old mod, maybe not that old but older than telefunen
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#23 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?killerfist
Wow that's deep.

Lol thanks. I have my moments, too :P
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#24 II_Seraphim_II
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Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Because PC is so far above PS3/X360 that any comparison would have PC coming out on top every single time. If we were to remove the term "Console graphics king" graphics comparisons would be pointless right now because there will never be a game on PS3/X360 that will look better than Crysis. Rather than stagnate the entire process, we remove the inevietable winner, PC. Its like when people talk sales, most people Ignore the Wii because they know its far ahead and there really is no competition there.
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?II_Seraphim_II
Because PC is so far above PS3/X360 that any comparison would have PC coming out on top every single time. If we were to remove the term "Console graphics king" graphics comparisons would be pointless right now because there will never be a game on PS3/X360 that will look better than Crysis. Rather than stagnate the entire process, we remove the inevietable winner, PC. Its like when people talk sales, most people Ignore the Wii because they know its far ahead and there really is no competition there.

And? It is still a system, and this is SW. Just because a certain system would always win it shouldn't be discounted. It would be discarding the competition just because it is better. Nonsense.
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#26 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Because PC is so far above PS3/X360 that any comparison would have PC coming out on top every single time. If we were to remove the term "Console graphics king" graphics comparisons would be pointless right now because there will never be a game on PS3/X360 that will look better than Crysis. Rather than stagnate the entire process, we remove the inevietable winner, PC. Its like when people talk sales, most people Ignore the Wii because they know its far ahead and there really is no competition there.

And? It is still a system, and this is SW. Just because a certain system would always win it shouldn't be discounted. It would be discarding the competition just because it is better. Nonsense.

Its not that its discounted, its just always excluded. You will see in many threads people say "Best graphics excluding Crysis". There is nothing in GS against making selective threads. Thats like saying "Why do people make threads about X360 exclusives only? Shouldnt they talk about the other exclusives!?" Well...no, its their thread, they can do whatever they want. If you want to make a thread about X360 exclusives, go for it. If you want to make a thread about "console exclusives" go for it, you just have to realize that under the system wars rule, you cant use "console exclusives" for ownage reasons. No one here will claim that PS3 owns all because of KZ2 graphics because we have to take Crysis into consideration. No one will say that X360 is the sales winner because we have to take Wii into consideration, but under your own thread, you can discuss whatever you want. If you want to make a thread about X360 "console exclusives" go ahead, but be sure that if you try to use that to claim ownage most people will just ignore you.
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#27 killerfist
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Wow that's deep.

Lol thanks. I have my moments, too :P

To answer your question..I think the terms are not really comparable. One is an opinion, the other hard fact.
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#28 SpikeVashGene
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Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Dead Rising, and Mass Effect became multiplatform games when one was announced for PS3, and the other was rumored for PS3. :P Just checkout the old threads. They were calling them multiplatform to escape ownage. You act like every lem has accepted that. There will always be some rebels . To my understanding most lems will still use that console exclusive argument. If we throw away the console graphics king argument then PC wins all the time and many 360 games will be multiplatform. The hermits and cows are the only winners in that.
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#29 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Its not that its discounted, its just always excluded. You will see in many threads people say "Best graphics excluding Crysis". There is nothing in GS against making selective threads. Thats like saying "Why do people make threads about X360 exclusives only? Shouldnt they talk about the other exclusives!?" Well...no, its their thread, they can do whatever they want. If you want to make a thread about X360 exclusives, go for it. If you want to make a thread about "console exclusives" go for it, you just have to realize that under the system wars rule, you cant use "console exclusives" for ownage reasons. No one here will claim that PS3 owns all because of KZ2 graphics because we have to take Crysis into consideration. No one will say that X360 is the sales winner because we have to take Wii into consideration, but under your own thread, you can discuss whatever you want. If you want to make a thread about X360 "console exclusives" go ahead, but be sure that if you try to use that to claim ownage most people will just ignore you.II_Seraphim_II

Just asking, where did I say I wanted to make a thread about console exclusives? Who said I was interested in making the term "console exclusive" valid? :|

I just pointed that by the logic that a game that is on multiples system can't be called exclusive, so can't a game be called graphics king when other games look better.

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#30 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Wow that's deep. killerfist
Lol thanks. I have my moments, too :P

To answer your question..I think the terms are not really comparable. One is an opinion, the other hard fact.

I think they are extremely comparable. If a game can be called "graphics king" because "we are taking only consoles in consideration", so can a game be considered a "exclusive", because "we are taking only consoles in consideration".
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#31 killerfist
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think they are extremely comparable. If a game can be called "graphics king" because "we are taking only consoles in consideration", so can a game be considered a "exclusive", because "we are taking only consoles in consideration".IronBass
I see... Neither term should be used then.
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#32 II_Seraphim_II
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Its not that its discounted, its just always excluded. You will see in many threads people say "Best graphics excluding Crysis". There is nothing in GS against making selective threads. Thats like saying "Why do people make threads about X360 exclusives only? Shouldnt they talk about the other exclusives!?" Well...no, its their thread, they can do whatever they want. If you want to make a thread about X360 exclusives, go for it. If you want to make a thread about "console exclusives" go for it, you just have to realize that under the system wars rule, you cant use "console exclusives" for ownage reasons. No one here will claim that PS3 owns all because of KZ2 graphics because we have to take Crysis into consideration. No one will say that X360 is the sales winner because we have to take Wii into consideration, but under your own thread, you can discuss whatever you want. If you want to make a thread about X360 "console exclusives" go ahead, but be sure that if you try to use that to claim ownage most people will just ignore you.IronBass

Just asking, where did I say I wanted to make a thread about console exclusives? Who said I was interested in making the term "console exclusive" valid? :|

I just pointed that by the logic that a game that is on multiples system can't be called exclusive, so can't a game be called graphics king when other games look better.

I was explaining using you as an example. If you take so much offense, just change every instance of "you" to "one" :?
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#33 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Its not that its discounted, its just always excluded. You will see in many threads people say "Best graphics excluding Crysis". There is nothing in GS against making selective threads. Thats like saying "Why do people make threads about X360 exclusives only? Shouldnt they talk about the other exclusives!?" Well...no, its their thread, they can do whatever they want. If you want to make a thread about X360 exclusives, go for it. If you want to make a thread about "console exclusives" go for it, you just have to realize that under the system wars rule, you cant use "console exclusives" for ownage reasons. No one here will claim that PS3 owns all because of KZ2 graphics because we have to take Crysis into consideration. No one will say that X360 is the sales winner because we have to take Wii into consideration, but under your own thread, you can discuss whatever you want. If you want to make a thread about X360 "console exclusives" go ahead, but be sure that if you try to use that to claim ownage most people will just ignore you.II_Seraphim_II

Just asking, where did I say I wanted to make a thread about console exclusives? Who said I was interested in making the term "console exclusive" valid? :|

I just pointed that by the logic that a game that is on multiples system can't be called exclusive, so can't a game be called graphics king when other games look better.

I was explaining using you as an example. If you take so much offense, just change every instance of "you" to "one" :?

Oh. Alright.
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#34 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
Because PC is so far above PS3/X360 that any comparison would have PC coming out on top every single time. If we were to remove the term "Console graphics king" graphics comparisons would be pointless right now because there will never be a game on PS3/X360 that will look better than Crysis. Rather than stagnate the entire process, we remove the inevietable winner, PC. Its like when people talk sales, most people Ignore the Wii because they know its far ahead and there really is no competition there.

And? It is still a system, and this is SW. Just because a certain system would always win it shouldn't be discounted. It would be discarding the competition just because it is better. Nonsense.

If there is no debate what is the point of SW? We all know PC games are technically superior.
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"] If there is no debate what is the point of SW? We all know PC games are technically superior.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do console graphics comparisons, or 360vsPS3 comparisons. I'm just saying that if in one case we don't accept a certain term by a certain logic, we shouldn't do it in the other one because the same logic is valid.
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#36 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] If there is no debate what is the point of SW? We all know PC games are technically superior.

I'm not saying we shouldn't do console graphics comparisons, or 360vsPS3 comparisons. I'm just saying that if in one case we don't accept a certain term by a certain logic, we shouldn't do it in the other one because the same logic is valid.

Well I honestly don't care about the whole exclusive, ownage blah blah anyways lol, so maybe I'm the wrong one to be debating this with. But you do have a good point.
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#37 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Well I honestly don't care about the whole exclusive, ownage blah blah anyways lol, so maybe I'm the wrong one to be debating this with. But you do have a good point.Chutebox

Thank you :oops:

I don't care that much about it, neither, but it is fun to point out the obvious contradictions :P

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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Wow that's deep. killerfist
Lol thanks. I have my moments, too :P

To answer your question..I think the terms are not really comparable. One is an opinion, the other hard fact.

And what is that fact again?
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#39 killerfist
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And what is that fact again?McdonaIdsGuy
That one is multiplatform? "best graphics" is the most subjective thing I've seen on SW.
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#40 obamanian
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Banjo 3

Hey guys !

Seriously 3 games that had awesome graphics were MGS4, Uncharted and GEARS OF WAR !!!

but yesterday I got a copy of Killzone 2 and the graphics are better than all of them !! I mean Uncharted had more colors and vivid colors but KZ2 is just JAGGIEs FREE and sharp !!!

there are some ugly textures and that's just normal, everygame has that problem but KZ2 is the GK in my mind !!!

Hydrolex

No, it is not graphics king since it has 1/100 the scale and detail of Fable 2 levels, not even close to as impressive as Fable 2 with the real time light beams lighting, has no foliage and tiny levels, the textures and shaders are mediocre, the environments feel barren

It is one of the most mediocre looking games this generation actually, same as MGS4, real dissapointments that show how PS3 is limited by its RAM and DX9 GPU

Fable 2 and Gears 2 look a million times better, those are easilly graphics kings over the tiny empty levels of Killzone 2, the blur does not make it a graphical acheivement, just a blurry game

Fable 2, Gears 2, Banjo 3 >>>>>> MGS4, LBP, Killzone 2, Uncharted visually and in next gen scale and detail for me

For me the best visuals and huge next gen shaded and detailed worlds are hands down on 360, the most overhyped visuals definatly go to PS3

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#41 SamiRDuran
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Who cares? they look like a joke compared to crysis. thats all that matters
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KZ2 will be the next graphics king.
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#44 McdonaIdsGuy
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[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]And what is that fact again?killerfist
That one is multiplatform? "best graphics" is the most subjective thing I've seen on SW.

Which game is MP? and i agree 100% with you.
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#45 _rpg_FAN
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+ its not "Killzone 2 is graphic KINGS" its KING KING not KINGS
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#46 killerfist
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[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"] That one is multiplatform? "best graphics" is the most subjective thing I've seen on SW. McdonaIdsGuy
Which game is MP? and i agree 100% with you.

This is what started it:
Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
I answered with: One is fact, the other is opinion. "console exclusive" can't be an argument because there is none. "best graphics on consoles" Is pretty much based on opinion. Atleast from what I've seen so far.
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#47 boyinfridge
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I just want to say I thought the demo's controls started out a bit choppy when you first jump in and all hell is breaking loose the controls were clunky but then when you get into the smaller battles or in the buildings it ran fine although I still think it wasn't as good as COD:MW yeah it looks great but it still felt like it was missing something that I just cant put my finger on I'm now thinking this is just a rental, we shall see.

I did vote it Graphics king but I did forget about Fable 2 I think some of the environments in that game are truly amazing and you do stop just to look around at the scenery.

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#48 McdonaIdsGuy
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[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"][QUOTE="killerfist"] Which game is MP? and i agree 100% with you.killerfist
This is what started it:
Just asking, if the term "console exclusive" is not accepted by PS3 fans, why should "console graphics king" be by 360 fans?IronBass
I answered with: One is fact, the other is opinion. "console exclusive" can't be an argument because there is none. "best graphics on consoles" Is pretty much based on opinion. Atleast from what I've seen so far.

Oh i see and once again i agree.
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#49 Martin_G_N
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[QUOTE="_rpg_FAN"]Guerilla shared some info with other programers and look what its all about "First of all, the lighting that many people find amazing is fake. I think it looks great and almost no one would be able to tell the difference between that and real HDR, but it is fake nonetheless. Killzone 2 uses bloom lighting without any actual tone mapping to achieve good looking lights that resemble HDR. Guerilla Games applies tricks like this throughout the entire game. As I've stated above, I like these tricks as they allow them to do more, but other engines (like in GoW2, R3, H3) actually spend the processing power to generate real HDR lights. GG had to take a lot of shortcuts."

Does Gears of war 2 use hdr lighting? Because the first gears used bloom. Same with Bioshock.
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#50 killzowned24
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KZ2 is the king!! geow2 is nothing compared and has no dynamic lighting.