Killzone 2 is on track to be the next Lair if it doesn't show us otherwise.

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168601&p=37&sec=PREVIEWS

There, read that. Apparently, the gameplay is holding up as well as the graphics. ;) Enjoy.

Some fun quotes to mention:

Honestly, we were somewhat surprised that Killzone 2 felt so accessible and engaging.

That effort to delve deep into the PS3's graphical well has paid off: During our hands-on demo, we spied one of gaming's most impressive visual showcases to date.

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Koalakommander

People didn't seem to mind all the well placed propane tanks in Gears.

I think the immersion the game delivers is good enough, EGM did a good preview of the game in the latest issue and they cover gameplay and improved AI.

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168601&p=37&sec=PREVIEWS

There, read that. Apparently, the gameplay is holding up as well as the graphics. ;) Enjoy.

Some fun quotes to mention:

Honestly, we were somewhat surprised that Killzone 2 felt so accessible and engaging.

That effort to delve deep into the PS3's graphical well has paid off: During our hands-on demo, we spied one of gaming's most impressive visual showcases to date.

RotaryRX7

Like I said, I hope it pulls through with flying colors. Just not impressed so far.I'm not a big fan of previews but if they they say it's holding up then it's a good sign.

This thread = Fail

We haven't seen enough to make a judgement

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Chutebox

People didn't seem to mind all the well placed propane tanks in Gears.

I think the immersion the game delivers is good enough, EGM did a good preview of the game in the latest issue and they cover gameplay and improved AI.

Meh, the propane tanks were really silly in GeOW.

I only use Eurogamer for reviews anyways. They hit GeOW on the money -- 8/10.

This thread = Fail

We haven't seen enough to make a judgement

Zenkuso

Isn't that kinda what I said in the post?

So far Killzone 2 looks like its shaping up nicely. Hopefully the multiplayer is good, I'm looking forward to a FPS with cover mechanics in multiplayer thats good.

As for Gears, I havent played it in awhile but the only propane tanks I remember were in one section of the game and used for light.

My guess is KZ2 will score somewhere between 8 - 9, to soon to tell but if it scores anything above 8 its a game worth buying imo...

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Koalakommander

People didn't seem to mind all the well placed propane tanks in Gears.

I think the immersion the game delivers is good enough, EGM did a good preview of the game in the latest issue and they cover gameplay and improved AI.

Meh, the propane tanks were really silly in GeOW.

I only use Eurogamer for reviews anyways. They hit GeOW on the money -- 8/10.

Why would you rely solely on one site for reviews? Most of us just see what the general concensus is and either rent it, skip it, or buy it.

Now as far as OWNAGE and FLOPs go; system war rules uses gamespot scores only.

I hope we get some info on MP at E3 since thats how most FPS's keep thier legs.

Killzones gameplay looks very very boring. Its gameplay is something that we have been seeing for quite some time now and i think that is probably the one area that the game will suffer(It has a "been there done that feel").mubarakibnumar

Its a mixed bag. You've got FPS's with big gimmicks like Time Shift and Haze that end up flopping. You also have games like Resistance, which looks like it could've been "been there done that" but ended up being really fun, action packed, and a great variety of funky weapons to use.

I personally feel KZ's problems go as far back as concept and design but its too late to fix that. Right now its just gotta be as fun as possible. I'd rather it look dull, and turn out fun, then be sold on some stupid gimmick that turns out to be even more dull than your average FPS.

If Killzone 2 gameplay looks mediocre, I don't know what COD4 gameplay looks like.Albanian_Killa

KZ needs to show off some more crazy war scenarios. Thats what made COD4 stand out.

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"]If Killzone 2 gameplay looks mediocre, I don't know what COD4 gameplay looks like.Bread_or_Decide

KZ needs to show off some more crazy war scenarios. Thats what made COD4 stand out.

You mean getting shot a million times and shooting like a crackhead is fun? In COD4, the whole AI shot only at you. Here, they're actually focusing on the whole team of soldiers. So far, from the demos I've seen now and even last year, I'm liking KZ2.

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Koalakommander

Lair's problems was basically controls and lack of diversity in gameplay. KZ2 shouldnt have any problem with controls and from previews it looks to be at least a decent game.

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Koalakommander

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

[QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Malta_1980

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

Exactly. Not to mention game sites who previewed Killzone 2 only said good things.

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Albanian_Killa

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

Exactly. Not to mention game sites who previewed Killzone 2 only said good things.

Just to step in here (and this isn't judging Killzone 2 one way or the other) 99% of previews are positive. It's like an institutionalized practice in gaming journalism.

If they weren't, developers would just stop showing unfinished games.

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Albanian_Killa

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

Exactly. Not to mention game sites who previewed Killzone 2 only said good things.

i know am a PS3 fan, no need to hide that and am not trying to defend KZ2, but i find it ridiculous to find gameplay mediocre when a game is not even released.. i mean I could understand someone saying 'i dont like the artistic ****devs took' because that's a matter of personal tastes... but criticising gameplay when you havent even played the game is just hating without reason...

I dont know if KZ2 will be a great game, surely i hope it will so I can enjoy the game once its released but for now i'll just wait for more info, previews etc etc once i play the game i will form my personal opinion..

[QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"][QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Danm_999

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

Exactly. Not to mention game sites who previewed Killzone 2 only said good things.

Just to step in here (and this isn't judging Killzone 2 one way or the other) 99% of previews are positive. It's like an institutionalized practice in gaming journalism.

If they weren't, developers would just stop showing unfinished games.

that might be true, but then the same should be said on all upcoming titles which are receiving positive previews... am i right?

I dont really take into consideration previews / reviews because one sight/magazine might praise the game while another might not like it.. in the end reviewers/journalists are human beings with personal tastes that dont reflect everyone's opinion/tastes

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"][QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Malta_1980

so you played the game and found the gameplay mediocre... because to judge gameplay you should ahemm well uumm get the GAME and PLAY first then form opinions / judgment... but probably there are many who have some sort of special ability that from a vid or screenshots, they already know everything about the game... geez i really wish i had such ability, but alas am just a normal human being who can only judge games after actually playing them..

Exactly. Not to mention game sites who previewed Killzone 2 only said good things.

Just to step in here (and this isn't judging Killzone 2 one way or the other) 99% of previews are positive. It's like an institutionalized practice in gaming journalism.

If they weren't, developers would just stop showing unfinished games.

that might be true, but then the same should be said on all upcoming titles which are receiving positive previews... am i right?

I dont really take into consideration previews / reviews because one sight/magazine might praise the game while another might not like it.. in the end reviewers/journalists are human beings with personal tastes that dont reflect everyone's opinion/tastes

I'm not so much talking about the subjectivity of human opinion here, but a pragmatic policy journalists take so they get to see games.

But your right, the same should be said about all upcoming titles receiving positive previews.

[QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="Albanian_Killa"][QUOTE="Malta_1980"][QUOTE="Koalakommander"]

Just to step in here (and this isn't judging Killzone 2 one way or the other) 99% of previews are positive. It's like an institutionalized practice in gaming journalism.

If they weren't, developers would just stop showing unfinished games.

Danm_999

that might be true, but then the same should be said on all upcoming titles which are receiving positive previews... am i right?

I dont really take into consideration previews / reviews because one sight/magazine might praise the game while another might not like it.. in the end reviewers/journalists are human beings with personal tastes that dont reflect everyone's opinion/tastes

I'm not so much talking about the subjectivity of human opinion here, but a pragmatic policy journalists take so they get to see games.

But your right, the same should be said about all upcoming titles receiving positive previews.

yeah i got what mean... its unfortunate but as much as sites claim to be unbiased and independent, they still rely on games, therefore praising games until release is another form of marketing and aid, so that devs will always pass them games first knowing that they might close an eye on flaws or else in their previews focus more on the games' strenght rather than its weakness ..

I believe this game has one more delay to go before i is released. Thats just my thought.

"Killzone 2 is on track to be the next Lair if it doesnt show us otherwise"

Common sense FTW!!!

Here are the possible problems for Killzone 2:

- stupid teammate AI and stupid enemy AI

- environments are repetitive

- bad dialogue

- repetitive gameplay

- lack of weapons

- multiplayer lacks game modes

- short campaign

- stupid save points

- stupid ending

- multiplayer lag

- been there done that type of game

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.

Koalakommander

There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.Ilived

I believe this game has one more delay to go before i is released. Thats just my thought.

player_leo

The game is pretty much finished right now. The delay was to avoid competition with Resistance 2. I think Feb 2009 is a long enough time to add finishing touches. No further delays are expected.

I believe this game has one more delay to go before i is released. Thats just my thought.

player_leo

[QUOTE="Ilived"]There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.ermacness

Look at the gameplay videos. How can you look at that and say it is the best game ever or even a good game at all?

Here are the possible problems for Killzone 2:

- stupid teammate AI and stupid enemy AI

- environments are repetitive

- bad dialogue

- repetitive gameplay

- lack of weapons

- multiplayer lacks game modes

- short campaign

- stupid save points

- stupid ending

- multiplayer lag

- been there done that type of game

ReverseCycology

How are the problems different from any other game?

There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.Ilived

I agree man. A lot of the screen shots being passed around have been from cinematics or otherwise. Some of the pictures that are certainly in-game have been really mediocre looking.

Example

Example

http://www.1up.com/do/previewPage?cId=3168601&p=37&sec=PREVIEWS

RotaryRX7

1up is funny. WHen they previewed Ninja Gaiden 2 and Crysis it seemed like the second coming of Jesus. Crysis got an 8 there and NG2 did pretty bad also ( think it got a 7 or 8)

[QUOTE="Ilived"]There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.Fignewton50

I agree man. A lot of the screen shots being passed around have been from cinematics or otherwise. Some of the pictures that are certainly in-game have been really mediocre looking.

Example

Example

well to broaden your judgement next time see some videos because thats how a game would look like you wont be playing a slideshow of pics in the game , videos are a far better tool for comparison.

A beautiful disaster.

Exploding barrels next to enemies? Oh boy.
Everything about the gameplay videos scream mediocre, which is a shame because it's the prettiest FPS I've ever seen on a console.

But that's just me, maybe it will redeem itself at E3 2008, I sure hope so. Way to much money and work behind this game to let it go the way of a typical shooter. Really hoping the multiplayer saves it.

Koalakommander

wow, another opinion on someone who hasn't played the game and seems to have missed just about every preview of the game. Everything about the Halo gameplay videos screamed mediocre and bad graphics before it was released....yet it got 9.5 lol.

So far I've not seen anyone who has actually played the game say it's headed for another Lair. If any game seems to be headed for another Lair it's Too Human. The previews have been so mixed like Lair that it's almost assured going to flop.

Here are the possible problems for Killzone 2:

- stupid teammate AI and stupid enemy AI

- environments are repetitive

- bad dialogue

- repetitive gameplay

- lack of weapons

- multiplayer lacks game modes

- short campaign

- stupid save points

- stupid ending

- multiplayer lag

- been there done that type of game

ReverseCycology

so you've just listed the possible problems for all games.....congrats. I did laugh at the stupid save points though...good one. I'm sure Lems will be using that in the future.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.Conjuredevil

I agree man. A lot of the screen shots being passed around have been from cinematics or otherwise. Some of the pictures that are certainly in-game have been really mediocre looking.

Example

Example

well to broaden your judgement next time see some videos because thats how a game would look like you wont be playing a slideshow of pics in the game , videos are a far better tool for comparison.

I just went and watched the most recent gameplay videos on gametrailers. I've got to say those screen shots are a pretty accurate represenation of the game. I becoming less and less impressed with this game from a visual standpoint, especially when compared against the infamous E3 '05 trailer. It looks like a very mediocre shooter.

[QUOTE="Conjuredevil"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

[QUOTE="Ilived"]There is nothing pretty about KZ2. It looks really dull even graphically.Fignewton50

I agree man. A lot of the screen shots being passed around have been from cinematics or otherwise. Some of the pictures that are certainly in-game have been really mediocre looking.

Example

Example

well to broaden your judgement next time see some videos because thats how a game would look like you wont be playing a slideshow of pics in the game , videos are a far better tool for comparison.

I just went and watched the most recent gameplay videos on gametrailers. I've got to say those screen shots are a pretty accurate represenation of the game. I becoming less and less impressed with this game from a visual standpoint, especially when compared against the infamous E3 '05 trailer. It looks like a very mediocre shooter.

well now thats your opinion and I respect it just because of the fact you watched gameplay videos and did not judge a game based on screens. :)