Killzone 2 will flop because of bad devs.. Lair will flop because of Good Devs?

I cant help but notice the illogical statements coming from some people on here. Its rather ironic actually, the only argument people use to say that killzone will flop is because Guerilla is supposedly a bad dev team and they have never made a AAA title so basically that means that Killzone will flop because it has a bad dev team BUT one thing i dont understand is those same people are saying Lair is going to flop but yet that game has a AMAZING Dev team. Did everyone hit their head and have a bad case of amnesia beause it seems like people are forgetting this is the same dev that made Star wars Rogue squadron for the Gamecube which scored 9.4 here on Gamespot!

So really I see no logic whatsoever. If killzone wont be a good game because it has bad developers then that must mean Lair also wont be a good game because it has Good developers?:question:  Basically my point is this, I havent been a GS member for long at all but i have noticed that people are very very anti sony here, so much so that they dont use logic. I mean According to your logic, bad devs make bad games and good devs make good games. Well factor 5 is already a proven dev that has made a AAA title for the gamecube once before, whats to stop them with Lair? Just doesnt make sense

I mean so far Lair looks amazing and coming from the same dev team that brough us Rogue squardon Its very likely this game will have AAA in its future, so whats the deal? are you so blinded by your hatred for sony that you cannot comprehend simple logic. Because so far all i hear is how bad Lair will flop when all the videos and dev team with a great track record prove otherwise,Wheres the logic is all i ask

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago. 

Lair isn't going to flop.  I just isn't going to be AAA.Michael85

You see, my point exactly!! Give me one valid reason why Lair will not be AAA, I mean its pretty much the same type of game like Rogue squardon only with dragons and that game received a 9.4 here on Gamespot. This game is coming from Factor 5, a proven dev with a proven track record and the recent Videos of this game are amazing. So I ask, whats to stop this game from being AAA? I just want a logical explanation.

And you cant say "but all you do is fly and blow fire at other dragons" beause the same can be said for rogue squardon "all you do is fly and blow stuff up"

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

Why will it not be a good game?

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago. 

Mancow_wrestler

Lair isn't going to flop.  I just isn't going to be AAA.Michael85

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

[QUOTE="Mancow_wrestler"]

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

Why will it not be a good game?

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago.

BrutonNYC

Because its a mediocre looking game that offers nearly nothing we haven't already played to death...its just a non-exciting game with nothing really jaw dropping about it. 

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop.  I just isn't going to be AAA.terrellpakeman

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me.  Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

Lair looks good, maybe it will be a good game.

Edit: i wrote "Liar" instead of "Lair"  

[QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Mancow_wrestler"]

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

Why will it not be a good game?

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago.

Mancow_wrestler

Because its a mediocre looking game that offers nearly nothing we haven't already played to death...its just a non-exciting game with nothing really jaw dropping about it. 

LMAO wow that sounds soooo familiar :::coughsHALO3coughs:::: dont get me wrong im a halo fan but according to what you think, Halo 3 will bring nothing we havent already played to death yet.

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop.  I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me.  Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

You're a c_NT hair away from being sig-ified!

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

You see, my point exactly!! Give me one valid reason why Lair will not be AAA, I mean its pretty much the same type of game like Rogue squardon only with dragons and that game received a 9.4 here on Gamespot. This game is coming from Factor 5, a proven dev with a proven track record and the recent Videos of this game are amazing. So I ask, whats to stop this game from being AAA? I just want a logical explanation.

And you cant say "but all you do is fly and blow fire at other dragons" beause the same can be said for rogue squardon "all you do is fly and blow stuff up"

You're right.  It's the same type of game as Rogue Squadron, except with dragons.   Aparently you missed the sequel to Rogue Squadron, which was also the same type of game, and it ended up with a sub-AA score.

Look at the dev's track record and you'll find 1 AAA, 2 AAs, 2 As, and one miserable 4.9 flop.

Do you really need any better reason than a developer's own track record? 

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

The graphics will not get a 10. At all. 

[QUOTE="Mancow_wrestler"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Mancow_wrestler"]

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

Why will it not be a good game?

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago.

BrutonNYC

Because its a mediocre looking game that offers nearly nothing we haven't already played to death...its just a non-exciting game with nothing really jaw dropping about it.

LMAO wow that sounds soooo familiar :::coughsHALO3coughs:::: dont get me wrong im a halo fan but according to what you think, Halo 3 will bring nothing we havent already played to death yet.

No its not ENTIRELY the same. Thats like saying counter-strike source sucks because its just a MUCH prettier version of the first counterstrike.... Liar isnt a sequel, and its not really that exciting.

Halo 3 is a sequel, its very exciting and the graphics on that baby are going to be pretty darn awesome IMO. 

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[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

 That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.) 

 So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

[QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.Blue-Berry

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it. 

[QUOTE="Blue-Berry"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it. 

[QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Blue-Berry"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.pundog

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it.

Nope, see my sig... Proud owner of both consoles, its so nice to be able to own both consoles. Look ill call it how I see it. 360 has great games and so will PS3. Just because I like sony does not mean I have to like everything they make, resistance for example I didnt like. Motorstorm was fun for a week but got boring fast. As a owner of both consoles I can point out the pros and cons for each console. Its not like I only own the PS3 and am speaking good about it because im in denial because i dont own a 360 because as you can clearly see I do own both consoles.  

[QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Blue-Berry"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it.

Nope, see my sig... Proud owner of both consoles, its so nice to be able to own both consoles. Look ill call it how I see it. 360 has great games and so will PS3. Just because I like sony does not mean I have to like everything they make, resistance for example I didnt like. Motorstorm was fun for a week but got boring fast. As a owner of both consoles I can point out the pros and cons for each console. Its not like I only own the PS3 and am speaking good about it because im in denial because i dont own a 360 because as you can clearly see I do own both consoles.  

[QUOTE="Blue-Berry"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it.

Wrong, I'd say it looks stupid as hell on the 360 as well...but its not on the 360, its on the ps3.... 

I cant help but notice the illogical statements coming from some people on here. Its rather ironic actually, the only argument people use to say that killzone will flop is because Guerilla is supposedly a bad dev team and they have never made a AAA title so basically that means that Killzone will flop because it has a bad dev team BUT one thing i dont understand is those same people are saying Lair is going to flop but yet that game has a AMAZING Dev team. Did everyone hit their head and have a bad case of amnesia beause it seems like people are forgetting this is the same dev that made Star wars Rogue squadron for the Gamecube which scored 9.4 here on Gamespot!

So really I see no logic whatsoever. If killzone wont be a good game because it has bad developers then that must mean Lair also wont be a good game because it has Good developers?:question: Basically my point is this, I havent been a GS member for long at all but i have noticed that people are very very anti sony here, so much so that they dont use logic. I mean According to your logic, bad devs make bad games and good devs make good games. Well factor 5 is already a proven dev that has made a AAA title for the gamecube once before, whats to stop them with Lair? Just doesnt make sense

I mean so far Lair looks amazing and coming from the same dev team that brough us Rogue squardon Its very likely this game will have AAA in its future, so whats the deal? are you so blinded by your hatred for sony that you cannot comprehend simple logic. Because so far all i hear is how bad Lair will flop when all the videos and dev team with a great track record prove otherwise,Wheres the logic is all i ask

BrutonNYC

why on Earth do you own a 360 and PS3? I mean a wii360 or wii ps3 but 360 and ps3? they are pretty much the same so why did you buy both? 

IF it fails it will fail because it has dragons there not very appealing JEEZ i thaught u new that....

and when the masses hear dragons, they immediatly think, fantasy/lame/fairys and run for the hills 

end of story. 

Take a look at the lair previews.  All the mention is the graphics.  That's normally not a good sign.  I'll admit lair looks pretty, but pretty isn't enough to make a game good.

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop.  I just isn't going to be AAA.BrutonNYC

You see, my point exactly!! Give me one valid reason why Lair will not be AAA, I mean its pretty much the same type of game like Rogue squardon only with dragons and that game received a 9.4 here on Gamespot. This game is coming from Factor 5, a proven dev with a proven track record and the recent Videos of this game are amazing. So I ask, whats to stop this game from being AAA? I just want a logical explanation.

And you cant say "but all you do is fly and blow fire at other dragons" beause the same can be said for rogue squardon "all you do is fly and blow stuff up"

because cnet is owned by microsoft and cnet owns gamespot. so lair will flop here in gs however it will have 9.5 avg on gamerankings :) just like tp.

[QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="pundog"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Blue-Berry"][QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="terrellpakeman"]

[QUOTE="Michael85"]Lair isn't going to flop. I just isn't going to be AAA.pundog

It's been so hyped by cows that anything less than AAA is floppage.

This game will be AAA. Even if its 9.0 this game will be AAA. Quote me. Graphics and sound will both get 10 alone

That's not enough. Gameplay and Tilt are worth .3 each point and heavily (if not totally) influence on value, we haven't seen anything of substance of this game and the whole project looks uninspired. Maybe it's me just being anti-sony but I can't really see me enjoying this game from what i've seen. The graphics altough technically impressive, I dislike as I prefer much more the stylized graphics of something like GeOW (There's some great art direction going on here.)

So why do I think it'll flop? Cause from what I've seen I would flop it.

No actually what I think you MEANT TO SAY WAS... "Why do I think it will flop? Because its on the PS3 a console which I really hate for really no apparent reason besides its the cool thing to do but if this game was on the 360, It would be the greatest thing since slice bread" admit it, if this game was on the 360 you would say it would be AAA also, dont even deny it.

Nope, see my sig... Proud owner of both consoles, its so nice to be able to own both consoles. Look ill call it how I see it. 360 has great games and so will PS3. Just because I like sony does not mean I have to like everything they make, resistance for example I didnt like. Motorstorm was fun for a week but got boring fast. As a owner of both consoles I can point out the pros and cons for each console. Its not like I only own the PS3 and am speaking good about it because im in denial because i dont own a 360 because as you can clearly see I do own both consoles.  

So lair looks uninspiring huh? A huge lavishly detailed world, Amazing physics, Deep gameplay, amazing sound track, and much much more. unless your one of those freaks that cant play a game which doesnt have a gun in it.

Lair does not have an amazing development team, here are the scores of the games they have developed: 7.8, 9.4, 7.3, 8.0, 8.6, 4.9, for an average score of 7.7, hardly the work of an amazing developer. If you want the definition of an amazing developer, go look at Valve, Blizzard and Bioware, they consistently score AAA on their games, that is what an amazing developer does. pundog

Quoted For Truth. 

[QUOTE="BrutonNYC"][QUOTE="Mancow_wrestler"]

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

Why will it not be a good game?

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago.

Mancow_wrestler

Because its a mediocre looking game that offers nearly nothing we haven't already played to death...its just a non-exciting game with nothing really jaw dropping about it. 

you could say the same about any shooter then.. or any game in general, really

Since when has system wars ever had logic? The time i've been here reading topics and posts has just proven to me that the world is plagued by idiots.bleehum

lol, indeed 

I cant help but notice the illogical statements coming from some people on here. Its rather ironic actually, the only argument people use to say that killzone will flop is because Guerilla is supposedly a bad dev team and they have never made a AAA title so basically that means that Killzone will flop because it has a bad dev team BUT one thing i dont understand is those same people are saying Lair is going to flop but yet that game has a AMAZING Dev team. Did everyone hit their head and have a bad case of amnesia beause it seems like people are forgetting this is the same dev that made Star wars Rogue squadron for the Gamecube which scored 9.4 here on Gamespot!

 

BrutonNYC

yeah I have noticed, thats the logic of the 360 cows for you :lol:

Took way too long to read that, got a summary for us gamers? We're gamers not novelists. :P

 

And Liar will suck...cant really tell about Kilzone since we've seen nothing but a crappy CGI trailer from years ago.

Mancow_wrestler

Sheep and Lemmings are trying to drive out Cows by spewing a record amount of sony hate like the world has never seen.

Lair looks great, anyone who thinks it sucks is just hating. If Lair was on the Wii they would be creaming their mushrooms. Same with the 360, I don't see how Lost Planet, Crackdown, or Dead Rising looked better than Lair yet they all got hyped where Lair gets the "its going to suck" treatment.

Its all bull plop. Ignore it.

8.4GermanShepard06

You predict Lair to socre that low.  Wow GermanShepard, do I detect a reasonable post? :shock: