well just finished KZ3 and must say it was a good game, while the story is notthe best, as for how the game looks i have to say at the begging the game looked worst then KZ2, but at the end in the space, when you fight the huge monster and some of the antarctica levellooked amazing

I had already said many times that the game looked exactly like KZ2, I know there are some improvements, but it was not a huge leap from KZ2 to me.

That's for telling us, not much to discuss. God, i totally missed the antartica comment :lol:

while the story is notthe best

DontBeHatin1983

The story was absolute trash. Terrible in every way

but at the end in the space

DontBeHatin1983

All I'll say for that if that could happen like that, then how was the Helghan ever a threat to anyone? With such a poorly run and organized Navy, they would never be able to organize and mobolize any sort of offensive against anything.

some of the antarctica levellooked amazing

DontBeHatin1983

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Killzone 3 is a AA quality game - but it is a weak AA.

It's a good rental. That's about it. KZ2 was way better. KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]It's a good rental. That's about it. KZ2 was way better. GreyFoXX4

The MP is my favorite part of the game.djsifer01

As opposed to the horriblness that was the campaign?

campaign is awesome, multiplayer is meh. killzone 2 is the better game for still having a good campaign and having an outstanding multiplayer component. killzone 3 is still great though.

and technically both killzone 2 and 3 are on the exact same level, so visually it's all subjective. I have to give the visuals to killzone 3 for having far more variety though.

you mispelled *horribleness* and the campaign was great. played the game?

theuncharted34

I couldn't car an les how I spll smethin

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Here is the post I made after I finished Killzone 3:

I just finished Killzone 3 and it was one of the worst experiences -- the thing is that it wasn't the whole package. Graphically it looks like Killzone 2 with better water. The gameplay is still pretty damn fine. But story, characters, the way the military is portrayed and how the Helghan are portrayed was just so frustratingly bad.

Story - was/is/will be awful. Simply terrible. So many cutscenes explaining nothing and making you wonder how the ISA ever was able to group together with such unrest in their lines and ranks.

Characters - Rico is still a turd. Sev is the super soldier. Narvill is the captain who just wants to get himself and his troops home (and nail the dickhole Rico to the floor)

Military portrayal/Helghan portrayal - I think the ISA is an experiment by the people on earth to see if a military can function without higher command and sergents who refuse to follow the orders their superiors dictate.

The Helghan may be in "disaray" even though I don't see how they could be when their entire Navy and most of their army is stilll in perfect fighting condition -- and they are fighting a force of a couple of thousand (thats a generous guess). Why not just use an orbital strike on their last known position and then send in scouts to assess the aftermath?
How is it that such a military based society could be left in such disaray after their dictator/autocrat was murdered. If the Helghan are anautocracy(as I believe they are) then why would that high council not elect a new member right then and there -- its not like they were all in the same room sitting at the same table...oh wait.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

you mispelled *horribleness* and the campaign was great. played the game?

R3FURBISHED

I couldn't car an les how I spll smethin

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Here is the post I made after I finished Killzone 3:

I just finished Killzone 3 and it was one of the worst experiences -- the thing is that it wasn't the whole package. Graphically it looks like Killzone 2 with better water. The gameplay is still pretty damn fine. But story, characters, the way the military is portrayed and how the Helghan are portrayed was just so frustratingly bad.

Story - was/is/will be awful. Simply terrible. So many cutscenes explaining nothing and making you wonder how the ISA ever was able to group together with such unrest in their lines and ranks.

Characters - Rico is still a turd. Sev is the super soldier. Narvill is the captain who just wants to get himself and his troops home (and nail the dickhole Rico to the floor)

Military portrayal/Helghan portrayal - I think the ISA is an experiment by the people on earth to see if a military can function without higher command and sergents who refuse to follow the orders their superiors dictate.

The Helghan may be in "disaray" even though I don't see how they could be when their entire Navy and most of their army is stilll in perfect fighting condition -- and they are fighting a force of a couple of thousand (thats a generous guess). Why not just use an orbital strike on their last known position and then send in scouts to assess the aftermath?
How is it that such a military based society could be left in such disaray after their dictator/otocrat was murdered. If the Helghan are an otacrocy (as I believe they are) then why would that high council not elect a new member right then and there -- its not like they were all in the same room sitting at the same table...oh wait.

you complained about the story, good for you. It's just too bad that's the least important aspect of the killzone games and doesn't matter in the slightest. why don't you round up a couple paragraphs about how awful super mario galaxy's story is?

Got it for $20 and it was awesome. Good fun.

you complained about the story, good for you. It's just too bad that's the least important aspect of the killzone games and doesn't matter in the slightest. why don't you round up a couple paragraphs about how awful super mario galaxy's story is?

theuncharted34

Nothing about the campaign made any sense. And as far as I am concerned, Killzone has been demoted to the status of games like Call of Duty -- inferior games that rely on a well made portion and the skim the surface to put together something closely resembling a coherent plot and single player campaign.
I do think that my assessmentof the killzone 3 military, whether it be ISA or Helghan was pretty spot on.

Killzone 3s campaign was bad and my guess is that Guerilla realized this so they just added big things and lots of explosions and pretty graphics to distract players from this.

I also didn't play the multiplayer - the reason being because I own Killzone 2 and have yet to touch its multiplayer.

Killzone 3 is pretty much my favorite FPS. The only other 2 FPS games that I loved as much as I love this game were Resistance and BC2.

I think its better than KZ2 in every way

killzone 3 was a disappointment....thats what happens when you cater to "that" crowd :|

killzone 3 was a disappointment....thats what happens when you cater to "that" crowd :|

eboyishere

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

killzone 3 was a disappointment....thats what happens when you cater to "that" crowd :|

MFDOOM1983

no but i see you were trying to be a smart@ss

EDIT: your lucky i think your sig is funny:evil::P

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="eboyishere"]

killzone 3 was a disappointment....thats what happens when you cater to "that" crowd :|

eboyishere

no but i see you were trying to be a smart@ss

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="eboyishere"]

killzone 3 was a disappointment....thats what happens when you cater to "that" crowd :|

eboyishere

no but i see you were trying to be a smart@ss

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] cows?MFDOOM1983

no but i see you were trying to be a smart@ss

if your talking about ps3 fanboys,

(because im not going to call fanboys cows sheep hermits frogs...WHATEVER it is people want to call it i think it's stupid)

they are against it as well, from what i have been reading

KZ3 is a 10/10 game. if killzone 3 isnt a 10/10 title, than no FPS game this gen has been. games like "black ops" and "Reach" cannot even compare to it.

KZ3 is a 10/10 game. if killzone 3 isnt a 10/10 title, than no FPS game this gen has been. games like "black ops" and "Reach" cannot even compare to it.

arbitor365

One thing that would have helped Killzone 3 is if Narvill had put a bullet in Rico's head - as was his right to do so.

Disobeying an order in wartime carries with it a maximum punishment of death. Disobeying multiple direct orders on the battlefield? Assaulting your commanding officer? In no military, save for the fantasy land Guerrilla got their military ISA from would something like that be allowed to happen.

I didn't touch your post, by the way.

the ignorance in this thread amazes me.

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some of you are saying the campaign in KZ3 was bad...... in what way? are you high? its one of the most polished, action packed, diverse (bothgameplay wise and visual wise), well paced, best controlled, and intense FPS campaigns out there. You people dont make any sense to me. what more could this game have possibly done to impress you? face it. you have a vendetta against PS3 exclusives and its so blazing obvious. if KZ3 were released on the 360 (with inferior graphics) it would have received 10s all across the board, and you wouldn't be here, railing against this game like deluded fanboys.

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also the whining about the story is really getting old. I dont know how many times this is going to need to be explained.

1) the supposed "plotholes" that you guys have pointed out can be feasibly explained. just becuase a game doesnt explain every little thing, that doesnt equate to havingplotholes. if your standard of plotholes are "things that didnt get explained" than you will be able to find plotholes in anything. getting away from that, none of the plotholes you have mentioned are egregious in the slightest. do you people have no self awareness of when you are asininely nitpicking a game?

2) you people whine about the characters, which is totally asinine. how is Rico any different from any marine in any other FPS game? he isnt. especially not in KZ3. he actually shows a bit of character development and likability here. Also what could you find disagreeable about Sev? he is an "everyman" sure, but what so egregious about that? whether or not you love the main characters, you would have to be the most cynical or biased critic in order to say that they are "terrible." at their worst they are "mediocre." even if you dont care for the main protagonists, you have to admit that Stahl (played by Malcolm McDowell) is a great villain. in my book, he is one of the greatest video game characters of all time. I wish Malcolm McDowell was in more games.

3) its an FPS game. it doesnt need a moving story. it just needs a story that entertains. KZ3 certainly does that. its well paced and well presented.

4) I guarantee that whatever FPS games that you put on a pedestal, whether they are Halo, COD, Crysis, or battlefeild, the exact same complaints could be said about them. and in the case of COD and Halo, they would actually be alot more accurate. Blackops and reach'sstorylines and overall plots were terrible in a boring way. that is the worst way.

5) I found the story to be quite enjoyable. so......... up yours.

the ignorance in this thread amazes me.

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some of you are saying the campaign in KZ3 was bad...... in what way? are you high? its one of the most polished, action packed, diverse (bothgameplay wise and visual wise), well paced, best controlled, and intense FPS campaigns out there. You people dont make any sense to me. what more could this game have possibly done to impress you? face it. you have a vendetta against PS3 exclusives and its so blazing obvious. if KZ3 were released on the 360 with (inferior graphics) it would have received 10s all across the board, and you wouldn't be here, railing against this game like deluded fanboys.

arbitor365

I have two comments to that:

I just finished Killzone 3 and it was one of the worst experiences -- the thing is that it wasn't the whole package. Graphically it looks like Killzone 2 with better water. The gameplay is still pretty damn fine. But story, characters, the way the military is portrayed and how the Helghan are portrayed was just so frustratingly bad.

Story - was/is/will be awful. Simply terrible. So many cutscenes explaining nothing and making you wonder how the ISA ever was able to group together with such unrest in their lines and ranks.

Characters - Rico is still a turd. Sev is the super soldier. Narvill is the captain who just wants to get himself and his troops home (and nail the dickhole Rico to the floor)

Military portrayal/Helghan portrayal - I think the ISA is an experiment by the people on earth to see if a military can function without higher command and sergents who refuse to follow the orders their superiors dictate.

The Helghan may be in "disaray" even though I don't see how they could be when their entire Navy and most of their army is stilll in perfect fighting condition -- and they are fighting a force of a couple of thousand (thats a generous guess). Why not just use an orbital strike on their last known position and then send in scouts to assess the aftermath?
How is it that such a military based society could be left in such disaray after their dictator/autocrat was murdered. If the Helghan are an autocracy(as I believe they are) then why would that high council not elect a new member right then and there -- its not like they were all in the same room sitting at the same table...oh wait.

R3FURBISHED

Nothing about the campaign made any sense. And as far as I am concerned, Killzone has been demoted to the status of games like Call of Duty -- inferior games that rely on a well made portion and the skim the surface to put together something closely resembling a coherent plot and single player campaign.
I do think that my assessmentof the killzone 3 military, whether it be ISA or Helghan was pretty spot on.

Killzone 3s campaign was bad and my guess is that Guerilla realized this so they just added big things and lots of explosions and pretty graphics to distract players from this.

I also didn't play the multiplayer - the reason being because IownKillzone 2 and have yet to touch its multiplayer.

R3FURBISHED

I just finished Killzone 3 and it was one of the worst experiences

already you have lost all credibility. even taking a game I think is ovrrated garbage like "halo reach," I dont say that its one of the "worst experiences." thats reserved for ODST. I think I am fair to halo reach. I gave it an 8/10. I didnt get into hyperbole. I just gave my honest thoughts.

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the thing is that it wasn't the whole package. Graphically it looks like Killzone 2 with better water.

even edge magazine and all their idiotic, biased splendor admitted that the visuals are far more diverse and appealing in KZ3. you have failed already. you clearly have a bias, an irrational hatred for this game. im not going to play the armchair psychologist. im not going to delve into the causes of your prejudice. But its outward effects should be recognized

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The gameplay is still pretty damn fine. But story, characters, the way the military is portrayed and how the Helghan are portrayed was just so frustratingly bad.

It becomes clear, when I hear these reckless scathing claims, that people who are biased against the PS3 hold PS3 games to a ridiculously high standard that they would never apply to other games. if this is "frustratingly bad" than I dont see how you can enjoy any FPS game. this game is as good as any in terms of story.

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Story - was/is/will be awful. Simply terrible. So many cutscenes explaining nothing and making you wonder how the ISA ever was able to group together with such unrest in their lines and ranks.

Military portrayal/Helghan portrayal - I think the ISA is an experiment by the people on earth to see if a military can function without higher command and sergents who refuse to follow the orders their superiors dictate.

oh yay, this asinine, baseless tangent. let me explain a few things

- conflict between ranks is a real threat and does occur on a day to day basis even in wars today

- about the "central command" thing, they are on a hostile planet, light years away from home. radio waves cannot be transmitted over such distances. and all their other ships were chased out of orbit by the masses of helgahn naval reinforcements. There is no higher command

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The Helghan may be in "disaray" even though I don't see how they could be when their entire Navy and most of their army is stilll in perfect fighting condition -- and they are fighting a force of a couple of thousand (thats a generous guess). Why not just use an orbital strike on their last known position and then send in scouts to assess the aftermath?

There are alot of variables to consider in their escape, like the chaotic aftermath of the nuke, the spread of ISA forces over a large territory and so on. you can just assume that the ISA managed to fight their way out and go into hiding. the game doesnt need to explain exactly how the ISA evaded the helgahn initially or over the following 6 months. its like if you look at "Star wars: return of the Jedi." why didnt the massive fleet of star destroyers wipe out the ewoks and rebels after the destruction of the death star? who gives a ****? its still a great movie. your nitpicking is so un-called for and it just makes you look biased.

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How is it that such a military based society could be left in such disaray after their dictator/autocrat was murdered. If the Helghan are an autocracy(as I believe they are) then why would that high council not elect a new member right then and there -- its not like they were all in the same room sitting at the same table...oh wait.

you cant just elect a new leader immediately on the spot. they didnt immediately replace visari for a plethora of possible reasons

- the quick shifting of such powers could create sharp divisions among the council and people, perhaps causing civil war or unrest.

- there is obviously a competition for whom will take the throne for himself. the natural order of things is that whoever stands up to take the throne will be shot down by all the others who wish to take it.

- perhaps visari didn't choose an heir becuase he didnt plan on giving up his power any time in the near future. Plus that would make him a possible target for assassination by whoever the heirs may be.

- perhaps the council and private sector preferred things as they were, decentralized, for their own interests.

there are plenty of explanations, but my god, why am I having to explain this to you? why are concerning yourself so deeply with such petty details. Is that really what was on your mind the entire game? because that's just sad.

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none of the things you mentioned are serious problems that would even hinder the overall story, much less the rest of the game. this is why I dont respect the opinions of people who hate on KZ3. their reasoning is so transparently ludicrous.

I have never seen such divisive nitpicking directed a first person shooter game as in the case of KZ3. it really is a phenomenon of fanboyism and prejudice.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

you complained about the story, good for you. It's just too bad that's the least important aspect of the killzone games and doesn't matter in the slightest. why don't you round up a couple paragraphs about how awful super mario galaxy's story is?

R3FURBISHED

Nothing about the campaign made any sense. And as far as I am concerned, Killzone has been demoted to the status of games like Call of Duty -- inferior games that rely on a well made portion and the skim the surface to put together something closely resembling a coherent plot and single player campaign.
I do think that my assessmentof the killzone 3 military, whether it be ISA or Helghan was pretty spot on.

Killzone 3s campaign was bad and my guess is that Guerilla realized this so they just added big things and lots of explosions and pretty graphics to distract players from this.

I also didn't play the multiplayer - the reason being because I own Killzone 2 and have yet to touch its multiplayer.

the story. doesn't matter. it's not the focus of killzone 2 or 3. next you're going to tell me the halo games have such an awe inspiring storyline...? mr. halo union officer? :P

why don't you complain about the gameplay in the killzone games? can you do that? why don't you complain about the graphics, shooting mechanics, sound design, art design, or the gunplay?why don't you complain about how killzone 2 and 3 feel like a real warzonewhen these aspects come together?

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

KZ3 is a 10/10 game. if killzone 3 isnt a 10/10 title, than no FPS game this gen has been. games like "black ops" and "Reach" cannot even compare to it.

R3FURBISHED

One thing that would have helped Killzone 3 is if Narvill had put a bullet in Rico's head - as was his right to do so.

Disobeying an order in wartime carries with it a maximum punishment of death. Disobeying multiple direct orders on the battlefield? Assaulting your commanding officer? In no military, save for the fantasy land Guerrilla got their military ISA from would something like that be allowed to happen.

it's a game.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

KZ3 is a 10/10 game. if killzone 3 isnt a 10/10 title, than no FPS game this gen has been. games like "black ops" and "Reach" cannot even compare to it.

theuncharted34

One thing that would have helped Killzone 3 is if Narvill had put a bullet in Rico's head - as was his right to do so.

Disobeying an order in wartime carries with it a maximum punishment of death. Disobeying multiple direct orders on the battlefield? Assaulting your commanding officer? In no military, save for the fantasy land Guerrilla got their military ISA from would something like that be allowed to happen.

it's a game.

lol. Tommy Lee sums it all up

of course the fact that people are being nit-picky D-bags is not the main thing that annoys me, but how they are only like that towards certain games. its the fact that they only put on this pretentious, cynical charade when they are dealing with games they are biased against (in this case ps3 games), that really gets under my skin. if they treated all games equally I could have some respect for them. But the reality is, they dont treat games equally. they will find any excuse they can to hate on the PS3 and its games.

none of the things you mentioned are serious problems that would even hinder the overall story, much less the rest of the game. this is why I dont respect the opinions of people who hate on KZ3. their reasoning is so transparently ludicrous.

I have never seen such divisive nitpicking directed a first person shooter game as in the case of KZ3. it really is a phenomenon of fanboyism and prejudice.

arbitor365

Because you don't agree with them? The story/plot of Killzone 3 is a shamble,

• The story is awful - GameSpot
• but the weak story never develops into anything great. - IGN

feel free to look around some more, because unless you go to a site like GameTrailers, one that will straight up say 'story doesn't matter' then no one will say the story of Killzone 3 was any good. Because it isn't.

As for the military representation in Killzone 3, it may suffice as a work of fiction, but when the character inside the game expects to be treated as their rank and their position dictates while at the same time referencing how the treatment of POWs is expelicetly referred to in documents such as the Geneva Convention it brakes up and a higher stander demands to be met.

Let me make this clear: You do not disobey orders given to you by a superior when you are at war.

If you only want a multiplayer and lots of explosions, pretty graphics and guns from a video game then games like Killzone 3 will suffice.

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I hold the games I play to a high level of expectation. Which is the primary reason why I rarely play any game rated below a AAA by the review sites who's reviews I trust. Killzone 3 does not reach that level. And I would/do demand the same out of all games I play. This base idealism that you are cowering behind that I have some sort of bias against the PS3 (even though I spend $400 on one) is discusting.
If you are curious, two PS3 games that I have played that I adamnetly believe are AAA quality are God of War III and InFamous.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

One thing that would have helped Killzone 3 is if Narvill had put a bullet in Rico's head - as was his right to do so.

Disobeying an order in wartime carries with it a maximum punishment of death. Disobeying multiple direct orders on the battlefield? Assaulting your commanding officer? In no military, save for the fantasy land Guerrilla got their military ISA from would something like that be allowed to happen.

arbitor365

it's a game.

lol. Tommy Lee sums it all up

of course the fact that people are being nit-picky D-bags is not the main thing that annoys me, but how they are only like that towards certain games. its the fact that they only put on this pretentious, cynical charade when they are dealing with games they are biased against (in this case ps3 games), that really gets under my skin. if they treated all games equally I could have some respect for them. But the reality is, they dont treat games equally. they will find any excuse they can to hate on the PS3 and its games.

yep... but that's what happens in system wars as I'm sure you know by now :P

best fps this gen imo

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it still blows my mind how you can be so nitpicking towards KZ3's story and not even care in the least about how infinitely worse the story is in "halo reach." of course, my reasons for disliking halo reach is not mainly because of the story.

• The story is awful - GameSpot
• but the weak story never develops into anything great. - IGN

R3FURBISHED

ooohhh, the sure-fire sign of a lemming. cowering behind other reviewers and/or sales when you cannot back up your arguments. thats where I draw the line. This translates to me as someone who doesnt even highly regard their own opinion much less mine, making the debate entirely moot. im done with you

oh and you can tell the folks at the halo union that Im currently working on a video retrospective of the halo series (which is mostly positive) and an in-depth analysis showing why halo reach (the game you love so much) is vastly overrated.

ooohhh, the sure-fire sign of a lemming. cowering behind other reviewers and/or sales when you cannot back up your arguments. thats where I draw the line. This translates to me as someone who doesnt even highly regard their own opinion much less mine, making the debate entirely moot. im done with you

oh and you can tell the folks at the halo union that Im currently working on a video retrospective of the halo series (which is mostly positive) and an in-depth analysis showing why halo reach (the game you love so much) is vastly overrated.

arbitor365

The lemming, the one who owns and plays games on his 360, PS3, and PC? Who enjoys all three, despite your thoughts.

And THU is dead, I'm just an Officer there out of respect for the Union. I really don't care about what you do, because as far as I can tell you are the one who is system-centric.

I still need to play it, but I can't bring myself to pay $60 for it.

I still need to play it, but I can't bring myself to pay $60 for it.

Solid_Sterb

rent it bro ;)

I still need to play it, but I can't bring myself to pay $60 for it.

Solid_Sterb

Do what I did -- sign up for the two week free trial thru Game Fly. Cancel after 13 or 14 days.R3FURBISHED

rent it bro ;)

eboyishere

I have a sizeable backlog of games to play at the moment, so I'll be busy for a while. I'll be picking it up when it's cheaper, and after I've beaten some of my other games.

killzone 3 isn't as groundbreaking as Killzone 2 BUT it is a great game in its own right.

An excellent game that gets a lot of undeserved stick for not being COD or Halo,despite making alot of consessions tothe effect and changing what made kz2 unique

9/10

It's a good rental. That's about it. KC_Hokie

Agree with that ... definitely worth the $4 I paid to rent it .... however if you paid anymore than that whether buying or renting then :lol: