Kojima Hates NES Metal Gear, Supports Platinum Games Metal Gear Rising?

Isnt that hypocritical? Kojima is known to despise the NES version of Metal Gear for being developed by another studio without his permission and not staying true to the story. But looking at Metal Gear Rising, I think its safe to assume it has NOTHING to do with the story or Raiden for that matter.

Im so heartbroken. I was really looking forward to the original MGS Rising. Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio. If it was Konamis decision, Kojima as the VP of Konami should have objected.

Also, lol at the people actually looking forward to Rising. You people are nuts.

Isnt that hypocritical? Kojima is known to despise the NES version of Metal Gear for being developed by another studio without his permission and not staying true to the story. But looking at Metal Gear Rising, I think its safe to assume it has NOTHING to do with the story or Raiden for that matter.

Im so heartbroken. I was really looking forward to the original MGS Rising. Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio. If it was Konamis decision, Kojima as the VP of Konami should have objected.

Also, lol at the people actually looking forward to Rising. You people are nuts.

redmanifesto

Nobody is nuts for having different opionion then you:cool:

Isnt that hypocritical? Kojima is known to despise the NES version of Metal Gear for being developed by another studio without his permission and not staying true to the story. But looking at Metal Gear Rising, I think its safe to assume it has NOTHING to do with the story or Raiden for that matter.

Im so heartbroken. I was really looking forward to the original MGS Rising. Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio. If it was Konamis decision, Kojima as the VP of Konami should have objected.

Also, lol at the people actually looking forward to Rising. You people are nuts.

redmanifesto

no it isint. THey didint have his permission before and they changed the story. This is him giving permission to another dev and I dont know how it has nothing to do with the story or raiden when it still stars said character and takes place in the mg universe. You just sound upset is all.

Yes. I am nuts.

Problem?

Not quite sure I follow the OP either. Why exactly does Kojima hate Metal Gear? Isn't that his franchise? Or is he responsible solely for the Solid series.

I r confuzzled.

What Kojima needs to do is forget the abomination that is MGS Rising (its not a real MGS game) and focus on re-making the original two metal gear games this is what the fans want.Chrome-

Yea its not a mgs games its a MG game. Thats a spin off which tend to play different from it counterpart and as a fan im fine with how this looks so far.

Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio.redmanifesto

What Kojima needs to do is forget the abomination that is MGS Rising (its not a real MGS game) and focus on re-making the original two metal gear games this is what the fans want.Chrome-

I'm a MGS fan and Rising looks incredible.

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What Kojima needs to do is forget the abomination that is MGS Rising (its not a real MGS game) and focus on re-making the original two metal gear games this is what the fans want.Chrome-

What he should do is just end the series and start a new IP. He even went on camera saying how he brought back all the characters in MGS4 to give it an ending everyone would be satisfied with. Then he decides to have prequels so everyones like "Ok lets see where he goes with these." Now we have this debacle.

how is this hypocritical? It was more than 20 years ago, people change, they don't stay the same. Also, Hideo Kojima isn't just a developer, he's also a businessman.

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]What Kojima needs to do is forget the abomination that is MGS Rising (its not a real MGS game) and focus on re-making the original two metal gear games this is what the fans want.MLBknights58

I'm a MGS fan and Rising looks incredible.

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You are not an MGS fan.

[QUOTE="redmanifesto"]Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio.DarkLink77

get that sh!t out of here as in they are good?

or

Get that sh!t out of here as in they are bad?

[QUOTE="MLBknights58"]

[QUOTE="Chrome-"]What Kojima needs to do is forget the abomination that is MGS Rising (its not a real MGS game) and focus on re-making the original two metal gear games this is what the fans want.redmanifesto

I'm a MGS fan and Rising looks incredible.

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You are not an MGS fan.

I guess you're right. If all MGS fans are close-minded rabid fanboys who don't want to enjoywhat looks to be agood action game from a great developer all because it says "Metal Gear" in the title, I guess I'm not a MGS fan after all.

Whatever man. Hate some more.

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This is why.

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="redmanifesto"]Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio.eboyishere

get that sh!t out of here as in they are good?

or

Get that sh!t out of here as in they are bad?

[QUOTE="redmanifesto"]

Isnt that hypocritical? Kojima is known to despise the NES version of Metal Gear for being developed by another studio without his permission and not staying true to the story. But looking at Metal Gear Rising, I think its safe to assume it has NOTHING to do with the story or Raiden for that matter.

Im so heartbroken. I was really looking forward to the original MGS Rising. Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio. If it was Konamis decision, Kojima as the VP of Konami should have objected.

Also, lol at the people actually looking forward to Rising. You people are nuts.

finalfantasy94

no it isint. THey didint have his permission before and they changed the story. This is him giving permission to another dev and I dont know how it has nothing to do with the story or raiden when it still stars said character and takes place in the mg universe. You just sound upset is all.

It has nothing to do with the story because it takes place after MGS4 and at the end of MGS4, the war is over and FoxAlive ensures peace. Now we have more Metal Gear Rays, gekkos, and Vamps? It has nothing to do with Raiden because at the end of MGS4 Raiden is at peace with himself and his family. In Rising hes Jack the Ripper again...

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Platinum is an average hack n' slash studio. :lol: Get that sh*t out of here, TC.Inconsistancy

get that sh!t out of here as in they are good?

or

Get that sh!t out of here as in they are bad?

They made bayonetta right? Alot of cringing in that game....

The NES version of Metal Gear butchered the storyline of the original version by cutting out important plot elements and adding new ones that were never in the MSX version and contradict the rest of the storyline in the series. To make things worse, Kojima was never notified of these changes. They were done without his permission.

Think of it this way. Suppose you write a best-selling novel, and when it gets imported to another region, a different author is given free reign to change characters, cut out major plot elements, and change the storyline as they see fit. You as the original author has no say in the matter, and you are forced to watch as something that you created is butchered and changed.

With MGS:Rising, Kojima has given his permission to Platinum to work on a storyline that fits the game. And since it takes place after MGS4, there is plenty of freedom to work on a new plotline. Think about it, the world is not going to suddenly be a peaceful place just because of what happens at the end of MGS4. Yes, the ending of MGS4 does close the chapter on the storyline that started in MG1, but it does not mean the world is going to be a world filled with happiness and sunshine. Look past all the main characters, and you have a world that has just been changed radically.

Maybe something happens to Raiden? After all, its implied in the ending of MGS4 that it will take some time for the world to recover from the influence of the Patriots. Maybe the storyline in Rising covers a group that appears to fill the void that the Patriots left. Has Kojima even stated how long Rising takes place after MGS4?

They made bayonetta right? Alot of cringing in that game....

eboyishere

So System Wars hates Bayonetta now?

Didn't Kojima approve of Silicon Knights (before their infamous rep) hand in Metal Gear Solid: Twin Snakes?nintendoboy16

I think so, and Silicon Knights didn't butcher the Story.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="eboyishere"]

get that sh!t out of here as in they are good?

or

Get that sh!t out of here as in they are bad?

eboyishere

They made bayonetta right? Alot of cringing in that game....

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="redmanifesto"]

Isnt that hypocritical? Kojima is known to despise the NES version of Metal Gear for being developed by another studio without his permission and not staying true to the story. But looking at Metal Gear Rising, I think its safe to assume it has NOTHING to do with the story or Raiden for that matter.

Im so heartbroken. I was really looking forward to the original MGS Rising. Kojima should have cancelled the game instead of handing it over to this average hack and slash / shoot em up studio. Yes Platinum Games is an average hack and slash studio. If it was Konamis decision, Kojima as the VP of Konami should have objected.

Also, lol at the people actually looking forward to Rising. You people are nuts.

redmanifesto

no it isint. THey didint have his permission before and they changed the story. This is him giving permission to another dev and I dont know how it has nothing to do with the story or raiden when it still stars said character and takes place in the mg universe. You just sound upset is all.

It has nothing to do with the story because it takes place after MGS4 and at the end of MGS4, the war is over and FoxAlive ensures peace. Now we have more Metal Gear Rays, gekkos, and Vamps? It has nothing to do with Raiden because at the end of MGS4 Raiden is at peace with himself and his family. In Rising hes Jack the Ripper again...

FoxAlive only guaranteed the destruction of of the Patriots and the AIs that had influence over the world. While basic necessities such as water and electricity were unaffected, governments went bankrupt as a result of their reliance on PMCs. Now, Rising can play on the fact that groups or warlords appeared in these bankrupt countries and took control thanks to the void that was created by FoxAlive.

Because FoxAlive does not have the ability to control people directly, there is nothing to stop other groups from taking advantage of the collapse of entire nations.

the old NES MG games were horrible nerfed ports of the MSX games, who doesnt hate them.The MSX ones are the definitive versions of that game if we realyl want to go there.

I support platinum games aswell out the sheer fact going by their history the gameplay will stand up, most people are just sour as its not your usual MGS game.I'll still buy it and tbh it will likely be a fun romp.

I seriously don"t get the hate aimed at this game, I can understand if it was called Metal Gear Soild 5 and was the next offical iteration of the franchise then yes this game would be a traversty an absolute disaster, But its not its a spin off like paper mario or Halo wars. Calm down MGS fans I personally am very interested in it , I have a passing liking of the whole MGS franchise but this looks like something I would buy.

I seriously don"t get the hate aimed at this game, I can understand if it was called Metal Gear Soild 5 and was the next offical iteration of the franchise then yes this game would be a traversty an absolute disaster, But its not its a spin off like paper mario or Halo wars. Calm down MGS fans I personally am very interested in it , I have a passing liking of the whole MGS franchise but this looks like something I would buy.

musalala

Yea I just dont get it. Why cant people understand its a spin off.