Kojima Productions: The 3DS is much more powerful than the PS2.

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#1 Zune_HD
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This could be old here, but a quick search didn't reveal anything, so...

The Kojima Productions Report discussed making MGS3DS, and they mentioned that much of the content will have to be remade, because the 3DS is a much more powerful platform. To hear it yourself, go the the following link. The actual quote is around the 8:48 mark, though you might want to jump in a minute or two earlier to get the full context:

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#2 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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Not surprised, the PS2 is how many years old?
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Not surprised considering how old the PS2 is. Plus the tech demo to MGS3D and Resident Evil prove that the 3DS is more powerful.

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#4 ohthemanatee
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Not surprised considering how old the PS2 is. Plus the tech demo to MGS3D and Resident Evil prove that the 3DS is more powerful.

jasonharris48

never trust tech demos. Final Fantasy X´s E3 demo looked much better then the final product

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#5 Harisemo
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dont see that power from 3DS screenshots ive seen

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#6 crippled_ram
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dont see that power from 3DS screenshots ive seen

Harisemo
:lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?
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#7 osan0
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well its got twice the ram (though i dont know how much of it is for the OS and how much is available for devs), a more up to date GPU and the 2 CPUs could at the very least give the emotion engine in the PS2 a run for its money. so thats not surprising. its odd seeing a crowd like digital foundry saying its at dreamcast levels. some games we have seen do look dreadful (the ridge racer for it for example...it looks like a slightly upscaled DS game) but then we have the likes of the MGS3 demo (which granted was more of a tech demo at e3) and the RE (which we have seen in game and it looks ace). to me it looks like its punching around GC levels at the mo.
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#8 Chutebox
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I'd hope so....

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#9 Loco_Live
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

dont see that power from 3DS screenshots ive seen

crippled_ram

:lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?

▲ Probally the pre-rendered bullshots they've released. ▲

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#10 Harisemo
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

dont see that power from 3DS screenshots ive seen

crippled_ram

:lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?

Resident Evil etc

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#11 tomarlyn
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Its pretty obvious looking at the line up. It looks comparable to the Gamecube with better shading, lighting, bump maps and of course glorious 3D.
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#12 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="crippled_ram"][QUOTE="Harisemo"]

dont see that power from 3DS screenshots ive seen

Harisemo

:lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?

Resident Evil etc

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

MGS3 is one of the PS2's best looking games too.

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#13 blackace
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Not surprised, the PS2 is how many years old?siLVURcross
10 years old. lol!! I thought the DSi and PSP were more powerful. Just waiting to pre-order 3DS. Hope it happens soon.
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#14 right4dead
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ummmmmm okkk, how old is the ps2? 10 years old? LOL, nintendo is pathetic.

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#15 fueled-system
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ummmmmm okkk, how old is the ps2? 10 years old? LOL, nintendo is pathetic.

right4dead

By that reasoning handhelds should have hd graphics now.

Seriously believe it or not handhelds=/=consoles...

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#16 tagyhag
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ummmmmm okkk, how old is the ps2? 10 years old? LOL, nintendo is pathetic.

right4dead
Guess you didn't read the link. OR the thread title. :P
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#17 PS2_ROCKS
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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"] :lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?tomarlyn

Resident Evil etc

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

MGS3 is one of the PS2's best looking games too.

Looks like they did a better job on the character models and made the map worse to compensate.

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#18 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

Resident Evil etc

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

MGS3 is one of the PS2's best looking games too.

Looks like they did a better job on the character models and made the map worse to compensate.

I don't see whatever it is you're seeing
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#19 theuncharted34
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of course considering it's a wii/xbox in power lol. These first gen games it's getting look as good as anything on the gamecube. Just wait until later, when we see the real power of this beast 8) OMG My favorite franchise is getting a new game - PAPER MARIO :D

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#20 dontshackzmii
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i watch the hole thing and dont recall them talking about this at all

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#21 Bread_or_Decide
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Not surprised considering how old the PS2 is. Plus the tech demo to MGS3D and Resident Evil prove that the 3DS is more powerful.

ohthemanatee

never trust tech demos. Final Fantasy X´s E3 demo looked much better then the final product

Thank you.

Gamers never learn....

I remember people posting up screen shots of Red Steel to prove the Wii had good graphics. Then it came out and we saw what it really looked like.

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I woudn't doubt this in the slightest, hell some PSP games have pushed the limits of handheld graphics near the PS2 in its prime, so why wouldn't the 3DS be far more powerfull? Chances are it's teetering near the Gamecubes threshold now. Of course these are all launch titles wait until we see what they can do once they get some time with the software.
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#23 theuncharted34
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I woudn't doubt this in the slightest, hell some PSP games have pushed the limits of handheld graphics near the PS2 in its prime, so why wouldn't the 3DS be far more powerfull? Chances are it's teetering near the Gamecubes threshold now. Of course these are all launch titles wait until we see what they can do once they get some time with the software.Jynxzor

the launch titles look like gamecube games at the end of it's life cycle. The 3ds is probably around the xbox or wii level.

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#24 hd5870corei7
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That's nice Kojima Productions but where is by MGS4: GOTY edition or Substance or Sustinence or VR Mission SOMETHING with trophies? :(

Or your next proper console product :( (PC preferred now that I think about it lol)

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[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

[QUOTE="crippled_ram"] :lol: What 3DS screenshots have you seen?tomarlyn

Resident Evil etc

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

What game is this

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2000 Yr old PS2 v.s 2011th 3DS Kojima Productions :3DS is much more powerful than PS2,well done Nintny! you outclassed a super dated hardware! i salute you! :lol:
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#27 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="Harisemo"]

Resident Evil etc

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

What game is this

Resident Evil Revelations for 3DS
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#28 nameless12345
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2000 Yr old PS2 v.s 2011th 3DS Kojima Productions :3DS is much more powerful than PS2,well done Nintny! you outclassed a super dated hardware! i salute you! :lol:Ratchet_Fan8

I think what he ment to say is that it's a lot stronger than PSP (which is weaker than PS2).

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#29 jasonharris48
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[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Not surprised considering how old the PS2 is. Plus the tech demo to MGS3D and Resident Evil prove that the 3DS is more powerful.

ohthemanatee

never trust tech demos. Final Fantasy X´s E3 demo looked much better then the final product

You have a point there

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#30 sireclaborn
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[QUOTE="sireclaborn"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

Sorry, the PS2 was not capable of this:

And this is the 3DS version of MGS3 versus PS2 capabilities:

tomarlyn

What game is this

Resident Evil Revelations for 3DS

wow looks nice....its obvious that its stronger... the ps2 is what 10 years older?...it like me comparing a 10 year computer with a computer from today...

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#31 tagyhag
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[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]2000 Yr old PS2 v.s 2011th 3DS Kojima Productions :3DS is much more powerful than PS2,well done Nintny! you outclassed a super dated hardware! i salute you! :lol:

Compare the size of a 3DS with a PS2. :P
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[QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]2000 Yr old PS2 v.s 2011th 3DS Kojima Productions :3DS is much more powerful than PS2,well done Nintny! you outclassed a super dated hardware! i salute you! :lol:tagyhag
Compare the size of a 3DS with a PS2. :P

180 nm vs. 40 nm? :P

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#33 p3anut
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Didn't we all knew this? Someone posted a comparison of the 3DS vs. PS2 version. But I guess it's now confirmed since Kojima said it.

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#34 p3anut
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[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

Not surprised considering how old the PS2 is. Plus the tech demo to MGS3D and Resident Evil prove that the 3DS is more powerful.

Bread_or_Decide

never trust tech demos. Final Fantasy X´s E3 demo looked much better then the final product

Thank you.

Gamers never learn....

I remember people posting up screen shots of Red Steel to prove the Wii had good graphics. Then it came out and we saw what it really looked like.

Yeah but Red Steel was just a trailer, we have off screen gameplay videos of Metal Gear and Resident Evil running on the 3DS and these games are launch titles. Can't wait to see what the devs can pull of with the 3DS in like 3 years.

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Yes of course my team have told me that they could do much more with the 3ds.
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#36 theuncharted34
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Yes of course my team have told me that they could do much more with the 3ds.johny300

:o next thing your going to tell me is you work for Team ICO... :o really?! :o :P

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#39 tomarlyn
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wow looks nice....its obvious that its stronger... the ps2 is what 10 years older?...it like me comparing a 10 year computer with a computer from today...

sireclaborn

Thats quite extreme, PC tech moves a lot faster.

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[QUOTE="sireclaborn"] wow looks nice....its obvious that its stronger... the ps2 is what 10 years older?...it like me comparing a 10 year computer with a computer from today...

tomarlyn

Thats quite extreme, PC tech moves a lot faster.

than what?

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#41 tomarlyn
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Those 2 screenshots of MGS3 for the 3DS are getting really really old, seriously. And those screenshots for the PS2 version are a beyond HORRIBLE representation of what the game actually looks like.

ubpoker123

Well I have the PS2 version and apart from some obvious gamma increase on both shots thats exactly what it looks like on PS2.

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#42 110million
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Those 2 screenshots of MGS3 for the 3DS are getting really really old, seriously. And those screenshots for the PS2 version are a beyond HORRIBLE representation of what the game actually look likes.

theuncharted34

so what your saying is... The 3ds is not stronger than the ps2? :|

Well those MGS3 screens are poor examples, I think I remember them from like pre-game release.. I believe Big Boss looks better in the top right shot than the top left shot. I very much expect the 3DS to be more powerful than the PS2 though, just not great shot examples.

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The CPU is much more powerful than PS2's CPU, the only problem with the 3DS is the weak GPU.
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#44 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]

[QUOTE="sireclaborn"] wow looks nice....its obvious that its stronger... the ps2 is what 10 years older?...it like me comparing a 10 year computer with a computer from today...

Thats quite extreme, PC tech moves a lot faster.

than what?

PC tech moves a lot faster than console/handheld tech.
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#45 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"]Yes of course my team have told me that they could do much more with the 3ds.theuncharted34

:o next thing your going to tell me is you work for Team ICO... :o really?! :o :P

I'm kojima, i talked with team ico a few days ago, maybe i'll work with them in the future :P JK btw.
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#46 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Thats quite extreme, PC tech moves a lot faster.

tomarlyn

than what?

PC tech moves a lot faster than console/handheld tech.

consoles use PC tech. Example - from the n64 to the ps3 and 360, that is 10 years of advancement in PC tech. Just because consoles are static for 5 years at a time doesn't mean they don't use the best of the best tech when they release. Minus the wii of course. I mean, it took Pc hardware 6+months to catch up with the 360 hardware.

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#47 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="johny300"]Yes of course my team have told me that they could do much more with the 3ds.johny300

:o next thing your going to tell me is you work for Team ICO... :o really?! :o :P

I'm kojima, i talked with team ico a few days ago, maybe i'll work with them in the future :P JK btw.

Hello, Kojima - san. So how far along is Metal gear solid Rising? ;)

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[QUOTE="tagyhag"][QUOTE="Ratchet_Fan8"]2000 Yr old PS2 v.s 2011th 3DS Kojima Productions :3DS is much more powerful than PS2,well done Nintny! you outclassed a super dated hardware! i salute you! :lol:

Compare the size of a 3DS with a PS2. :P

Completely irrelevant with regards to the type of tech we have today.
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#49 johny300
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[QUOTE="johny300"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

:o next thing your going to tell me is you work for Team ICO... :o really?! :o :P

theuncharted34

I'm kojima, i talked with team ico a few days ago, maybe i'll work with them in the future :P JK btw.

Hello, Kojima - san. So how far along is Metal gear solid Rising? ;)

My team is currently working on the phisycs, and the realese date is JUNE 18 2011:P lol.
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[QUOTE="sireclaborn"] wow looks nice....its obvious that its stronger... the ps2 is what 10 years older?...it like me comparing a 10 year computer with a computer from today...

tomarlyn

Thats quite extreme, PC tech moves a lot faster.

ok then use a phone from 10 years or a tv and compare it too todays ...technology advances every year so it really not too impossible to see the 3ds more powerful than the ps2...