Kojima 'refusing point blank' to put MGS4 on the 360

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=83996

The most important part from that link is:

A source has told CVG that , "Kitaue is constantly trying to force Kojima to drop the game's PS3 exclusivity, which Hideo refuses point blank to do. k

What a guy, why water down your own art. Great game developers like him have standards. KEEP IT UP KOJIMA!

Mass Effect, stay exclusive.

MGS4, same.

RE5, should've been exclusive, as well as DMC and GTA.

Exclusives are pwnage.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=83996

The most important part from that link is:

[Quote="k"] A source has told CVG that , "Kitaue is constantly trying to force Kojima to drop the game's PS3 exclusivity, which Hideo refuses point blank to do. naughtydog360

What a guy, why water down your own art. Great game developers like him have standards. KEEP IT UP KOJIMA!

You linked to a forum that uses an unnamed source as its "proof"?

While I couldn't care less since I own all three consoles, this is hardly concrete, fool-proof evidence to support your claim...

A source told me that that source was unconfirmed.Carmilla31

Dang, that's hard to fight against.

I agree.

Unreliable source.

You linked to a forum, where the TC didn't post a source.

It would be the same thing on the 360 as it would on the PS3...

It would easily fit on one disc since all videos are done in game rather than FMV (as all JRPG's are).

He prefers the PS as a development platform though, always has, even when the PS2 was getting the watered down games. Luckily that isn't the case here. 360 and PS3 games are essentially identical.

PS3 forums as a source btw. :lol:

Yea i'm sure that's credible.:roll:

Simple fact is MGS4 could appear on the 360 without any hitches, it's more more than capable despite fanboys would like to think. Whether or not the creator is willing to is a different story however.

They could always get another team to do it after he's done.thirstychainsaw

lol...another team?

not only is it from an obscure ps3 site it's also from another forum... not exactly reliable :? not to mention its from E3... OLD

anyway, if true it's a real shame :(some of us MGS fans are just waiting for that 360 announcement (or ps3 price cut before the game is released would be good too... it's just a 360 version would work better for a lot of us)

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]They could always get another team to do it after he's done.proof11102

lol...another team?

I think he meant to do a port. Its not uncommon to have a secondary development team handle ports while the main team focuses on the lead console.

It would be the same thing on the 360 as it would on the PS3...

It would easily fit on one disc since all videos are done in game rather than FMV (as all JRPG's are).

He prefers the PS as a development platform though, always has, even when the PS2 was getting the watered down games. Luckily that isn't the case here. 360 and PS3 games are essentially identical.

PS3 forums as a source btw. :lol:

Yea i'm sure that's credible.:roll:

Simple fact is MGS4 could appear on the 360 without any hitches, it's more more than capable despite fanboys would like to think. Whether or not the creator is willing to is a different story however.

Puckhog04

These threads never end its PS3 exsclusive get used to it, trying to put MGS4 on 360 would be super water downed considering he's using the bluray disc to it's potential, which he's stated many times. Adn it would be significantly different trust me i don't think you read much about devs and there work but try reading up on Kojima and his diaries for MGS4 and you'll see your quote is so much of a laugh.

[QUOTE="proof11102"]

[QUOTE="thirstychainsaw"]They could always get another team to do it after he's done.SpruceCaboose

lol...another team?

I think he meant to do a port. Its not uncommon to have a secondary development team handle ports while the main team focuses on the lead console.

NG:Sigma was the last game to do it i believe. Complete other team made it rather than the original team behind the NG games. It was more or less a straight copy of NGBlack though, so it couldn't be that tough to do for them.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

It would be the same thing on the 360 as it would on the PS3...

It would easily fit on one disc since all videos are done in game rather than FMV (as all JRPG's are).

He prefers the PS as a development platform though, always has, even when the PS2 was getting the watered down games. Luckily that isn't the case here. 360 and PS3 games are essentially identical.

PS3 forums as a source btw. :lol:

Yea i'm sure that's credible.:roll:

Simple fact is MGS4 could appear on the 360 without any hitches, it's more more than capable despite fanboys would like to think. Whether or not the creator is willing to is a different story however.

Solid_Max13

These threads never end its PS3 exsclusive get used to it, trying to put MGS4 on 360 would be super water downed considering he's using the bluray disc to it's potential, which he's stated many times. Adn it would be significantly different trust me i don't think you read much about devs and there work but try reading up on Kojima and his diaries for MGS4 and you'll see your quote is so much of a laugh.

Of course he's going to say it can't be done on anything other than Bluray, he might as well be employed by Sony. Simple fact is that the game doesn't use FMV (as JRPG's do) and those are essentially the only games that go above 1 disc on the 360. And that's solely due to the FMV. And of course he's going to make stupid statements like "This could never be done on the 360" because again, he might as well be employed by Sony. Simple fact is that not a one game has been shown on the PS3 that couldn't be done on the 360 (or even the Wii in some cases) and still look the same or identically near. Super watered down? No, judging from the capabilities of both consoles, that's far from the truth. It might very well be slightly watered down...but it wouldn't be anything that took away from the game. You can eat up his words without question but the facts are there.

Note: Nope, i don't want MGS4 on the 360. Don't want the game that much to be honest. Most of the videos i see of it seem like they took out some of the key stealth elements that made the first MGS on the Playstation and MGS2 on the PS2 so great. The Gears of War esque view while shooting a gun makes that prevalent. While it's nice to be able to aim like that, most videos I see just have constant shooting in them. I'll probably play it, no doubt. But i couldn't care less if it appears on the 360.

I don't care if it's PS3 exclusive, get used to it. :P It's not exactly staying faithful to the old games IMO. And i want more stealth. And, like it or not, the rumor is still there and an unconfirmed source doesn't prove otherwise. It probably won't appear on the 360 but, in all honesty, there's so many other games to be worrying about otherwise that it almost seems pointless to release it on the 360.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]

Mass Effect, stay exclusive.

MGS4, same.

RE5, should've been exclusive, as well as DMC and GTA.

Exclusives are pwnage.

AncientDozer

Exclusivityis archaic and foolish. If you aren't first party you should go multiplat. It makes more sense. You'll reach a greater audience and idiots all across internet forums will be confused. . which is good. . because their frivolous arguments are dumb.

I agree 100% with you, if it's not 1st party they should aim for a multiple platforms as that will make the game more accessible and thus have a greater change to succeed.

That would put more pressure on 1st party companies to make better games so that they can draw people.

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="wemhim"]

Mass Effect, stay exclusive.

MGS4, same.

RE5, should've been exclusive, as well as DMC and GTA.

Exclusives are pwnage.

Snake_Plisken88

Exclusivityis archaic and foolish. If you aren't first party you should go multiplat. It makes more sense. You'll reach a greater audience and idiots all across internet forums will be confused. . which is good. . because their frivolous arguments are dumb.

I agree 100% with you, if it's not 1st party they should aim for a multiple platforms as that will make the game more accessible and thus have a greater change to succeed.

That would put more pressure on 1st party companies to make better games so that they can draw people.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]

Mass Effect, stay exclusive.

MGS4, same.

RE5, should've been exclusive, as well as DMC and GTA.

Exclusives are pwnage.

AncientDozer

Exclusivityis archaic and foolish. If you aren't first party you should go multiplat. It makes more sense. You'll reach a greater audience and idiots all across internet forums will be confused. . which is good. . because their frivolous arguments are dumb.

damn konami (and square) for taking pity on sony

[QUOTE="Solid_Max13"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

It would be the same thing on the 360 as it would on the PS3...

It would easily fit on one disc since all videos are done in game rather than FMV (as all JRPG's are).

He prefers the PS as a development platform though, always has, even when the PS2 was getting the watered down games. Luckily that isn't the case here. 360 and PS3 games are essentially identical.

PS3 forums as a source btw. :lol:

Yea i'm sure that's credible.:roll:

Simple fact is MGS4 could appear on the 360 without any hitches, it's more more than capable despite fanboys would like to think. Whether or not the creator is willing to is a different story however.

Puckhog04

These threads never end its PS3 exsclusive get used to it, trying to put MGS4 on 360 would be super water downed considering he's using the bluray disc to it's potential, which he's stated many times. Adn it would be significantly different trust me i don't think you read much about devs and there work but try reading up on Kojima and his diaries for MGS4 and you'll see your quote is so much of a laugh.

Of course he's going to say it can't be done on anything other than Bluray, he might as well be employed by Sony. Simple fact is that the game doesn't use FMV (as JRPG's do) and those are essentially the only games that go above 1 disc on the 360. And that's solely due to the FMV. And of course he's going to make stupid statements like "This could never be done on the 360" because again, he might as well be employed by Sony. Simple fact is that not a one game has been shown on the PS3 that couldn't be done on the 360 (or even the Wii in some cases) and still look the same or identically near. Super watered down? No, judging from the capabilities of both consoles, that's far from the truth. It might very well be slightly watered down...but it wouldn't be anything that took away from the game. You can eat up his words without question but the facts are there.

Note: Nope, i don't want MGS4 on the 360. Don't want the game that much to be honest. Most of the videos i see of it seem like they took out some of the key stealth elements that made the first MGS on the Playstation and MGS2 on the PS2 so great. The Gears of War esque view while shooting a gun makes that prevalent. While it's nice to be able to aim like that, most videos I see just have constant shooting in them. I'll probably play it, no doubt. But i couldn't care less if it appears on the 360.

I don't care if it's PS3 exclusive, get used to it. :P It's not exactly staying faithful to the old games IMO. And i want more stealth. And, like it or not, the rumor is still there and an unconfirmed source doesn't prove otherwise. It probably won't appear on the 360 but, in all honesty, there's so many other games to be worrying about otherwise that it almost seems pointless to release it on the 360.

No what i was trying to point out was texture wise not cinematics but textures sound models and littlest detail which they fit in. And i agree in a way that maybe no they didn't use the same control scheme the same time over and over but went new directions which i was kind of glad, the thing that bugs me about MGS4 is the fps thing i felt that was tacky but above all i believe it still looks great and yea i'm an MGS addict so in a way been waiting 5 yrs for this now.

found this today.

http://emaglive.com/index.php?showtopic=1988

this pretty much shows that while both developers are denying that MGS4 and FF12 will be on the 360;they are also saying that theres an small possibility that it may happen..kind of confusing.

Exclusives are great, but like the rest of the series I doubt it'll stay that way forever.tomarlyn

Remind me again how many years it took for MGS 1 and 2 to get ported to other systems?

Is that so? Okay then where :- Bioshock for PS3? Lost Planet for PS3? Splinter Cell 5 for PS3? Don`t be hypocrite blind fanboys......Heri012

Yet I doubt the money they lose from MGS4's development will come out of his wallet.

Unless PS3 sells a TON of units, it's going to be really hard for them to make much money, if any at all off of this game as long as it's only selling for one system w/ a small user base.

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Exclusives are great, but like the rest of the series I doubt it'll stay that way forever.danielsmith2020

Remind me again how many years it took for MGS 1 and 2 to get ported to other systems?

Well it was intervaled but problem was is that Konami lost money by porting it to other systems, hence why MGS3 never happened to get ported to xbox or gamecube at the time, one can argue that the MGS series may not stay exsclusive to sony but MGS4 would.

found this today.

http://emaglive.com/index.php?showtopic=1988

this pretty much shows that while both developers are denying that MGS4 and FF12 will be on the 360;they are also saying that theres an small possibility that it may happen..kind of confusing.

lawlessx

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"][QUOTE="wemhim"]

Mass Effect, stay exclusive.

MGS4, same.

RE5, should've been exclusive, as well as DMC and GTA.

Exclusives are pwnage.

omarguy01

Exclusivityis archaic and foolish. If you aren't first party you should go multiplat. It makes more sense. You'll reach a greater audience and idiots all across internet forums will be confused. . which is good. . because their frivolous arguments are dumb.

damn konami (and square) for taking pity on sony

Is that so?

So then where :-

Bioshock for PS3?

Lost Planet and Dead Rising for PS3?

Splinter Cell 5 for PS3?

Damn 2K games & Capcom for become slave for M$

his loss. MGS4 would look, sell, and play better on the 360.mwa

Yes, but Kojima is slightly demented, so I'm not sure he realizes that. Although I do have to admit, I admire his willingness to stick to his guns (no pun intended).

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Exclusives are great, but like the rest of the series I doubt it'll stay that way forever.danielsmith2020

Remind me again how many years it took for MGS 1 and 2 to get ported to other systems?

Both took a year to reach the PC. Obviously if you really want the game you shouldn't make yourself wait, I wouldn't want to wait for Mass Effect to get ported even if it happens. I'm just saying if its like the rest it won't stay exclusive.

[QUOTE="danielsmith2020"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"]Exclusives are great, but like the rest of the series I doubt it'll stay that way forever.Solid_Max13

Remind me again how many years it took for MGS 1 and 2 to get ported to other systems?

Well it was intervaled but problem was is that Konami lost money by porting it to other systems, hence why MGS3 never happened to get ported to xbox or gamecube at the time, one can argue that the MGS series may not stay exsclusive to sony but MGS4 would.

plus, the MGS series has never been a big system seller.mwa

[QUOTE="Heri012"]Is that so? Okay then where :- Bioshock for PS3? Lost Planet for PS3? Splinter Cell 5 for PS3? Don`t be hypocrite blind fanboys......omarguy01

Nothing wrong but you lems kept claiming 3rd party exclusive games should bemultiplat when it comes to PS3 games only but you guys just shut your mouth about 3rd party 360 games....

Yet I doubt the money they lose from MGS4's development will come out of his wallet.

Unless PS3 sells a TON of units, it's going to be really hard for them to make much money, if any at all off of this game as long as it's only selling for one system w/ a small user base.

LegendofYaslint