Kotaku: Why I'm worried about Kinect

http://kotaku.com/why-im-a-little-bit-worried-about-kinect-1381738496

"....But that was the 10%. During the remaining 90%, Kinect felt like it was a hindrance, forcing users to swim against the giant leaps Microsoft made with Xbox Ones user friendly UI, which looks fantastic. Sure, I can turn Kinect off thats my choice. But I still have to pay for it. I dont have a choice there....."

Kinect is still a mess. What a waste....this is what MS force consumers to pay 100 bucks for

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

Davekeeh

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

FoxbatAlpha

Look at how much fun she's having

Selectively quoting an article when everything else is 100% praise for the system and its games. Even the quote you posted notes how fantastic the UI is. LA-Nighthawk

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

Davekeeh

Look at how much fun she's having

poor puppy got xbowned by kinect guy

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] lol. You said Playroom is looking awesome. FoxbatAlpha

Look at how much fun she's having

Selectively quoting an article when everything else is 100% praise for the system and its games. Even the quote you posted notes how fantastic the UI is. LA-Nighthawk

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] lol. You said Playroom is looking awesome. FoxbatAlpha

Look at how much fun she's having

[QUOTE="LA-Nighthawk"]Selectively quoting an article when everything else is 100% praise for the system and its games. Even the quote you posted notes how fantastic the UI is. sonny2dap

poor puppy got xbowned by kinect guy

-Damien-

That's a cat dud...

[QUOTE="-Damien-"]

poor puppy got xbowned by kinect guy

T_0_D

That's a cat dud...

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
More impressive than what I've currently seen on the X1

Look at how much fun she's having

Davekeeh

No you never had any and definately don't have any now. What happened to the rage quit? I'm never coming back...whaaaaa

On a side note, that looks like fun, for about five minutes. My 12 year old daughter would like that though.

[QUOTE="T_0_D"]

[QUOTE="-Damien-"]

poor puppy got xbowned by kinect guy

FoxbatAlpha

That's a cat dud...

Whatever it is it got PUNTED! Ponytail is lucky he didn't shatter his foot!

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"] Flicking robots? Now you have lost all credibility. It's ok to hype things, just not everything.T_0_D

No you never had any and definately don't have any now. What happened to the rage quit? I'm never coming back...whaaaaa

On a side note, that looks like fun, for about five minutes. My 12 year old daughter would like that though.

[QUOTE="-Damien-"]

 

poor puppy got xbowned by kinect guy

T_0_D

That's a cat dud...

looks like a puppy, that's one chubby cat then

[QUOTE="sonny2dap"][QUOTE="LA-Nighthawk"]Selectively quoting an article when everything else is 100% praise for the system and its games. Even the quote you posted notes how fantastic the UI is. LA-Nighthawk

I'm worried about Xbox One altogether. Everything hardware-wise was done wrong, not just Kinect. Software and policy decisions can be changed on the fly but choices you make with hardware you're stuck with. There was a few hardware-related things I didn't like about Xbox 360. The arcade model was silly and its existence held back the potential of 360 forever. And to a lesser extent I didn't care for them going with DVD instead of HD-DVD. But the silicon they did right. Hell, they did VERY WELL there. But they've screwed up Xbox One's chips badly. And this is coming from someone that's been a Xbox fanboy for the last 10+ years. They've managed to turn even me off.

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

Davekeeh

How many years do they need before they get this system doing what they promised when they released the first version .

You probably have to wait for Kinect 3 and pay an extra $ 150,- and it still wont work .

http://kotaku.com/why-im-a-little-bit-worried-about-kinect-1381738496

"....But that was the 10%. During the remaining 90%, Kinect felt like it was a hindrance, forcing users to swim against the giant leaps Microsoft made with Xbox Ones user friendly UI, which looks fantastic. Sure, I can turn Kinect off thats my choice. But I still have to pay for it. I dont have a choice there....."

Kinect is still a mess. What a waste....this is what MS force consumers to pay 100 bucks for

-Damien-

Does the world really need another, 'Hey guys, I have my doubts about Kinect' thread? You have already made up your minds, so just vote with your wallet. It's like fundamentalist Christians... they always think they are telling people about Jesus for the first time. Newsflash... the word about the new consoles is out there already. People are capable of making up their own minds.

Kinect was horrible and brought nothing to gaming unless you are a kid or like dancing games. I don't expect Kinect 2 to be any better. Its the fable of peripherals. It promises so much but doesn't deliver in the end.

$100 more for a weaker system bcuz of crappy kinectTheKingIAm

Yep, there's 8 audio processors on the APU. 8!!! There's only 12 CUs and 16 ROPS on it (PS4 has 18 CUs and 32 ROPs), amounts that are clearly lacking, yet instead of choosing to put more on there they waste a crapload of valuable APU space with 8 fargin audio chips! Kinect has to be the reason. Nothing else makes sense.

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile "the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it"

FoxbatAlpha

That's what Jimmy Savile said. :lol:

I apologise in advance. :P

Damien/Kotaku thread... double lol.

There's no doubts about the low budget, second rate eyetoy that's for sure. :P

I'll be the first to admit Kinect is very clever technology.

Does it have a place in gaming though.................nope.

People need lots of imputs in video games to get their character/avatar to do different things.

Kinect provides zero imputs.FAIL.

Jumping around and dancing is the only thing Kinect can do well..............why,it is imprecise.

Semiaccurate's take on Xbox One hardware:

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

Very well put and that's why I'm getting a PS4.

Semiaccurate's take on Xbox One hardware:

 

"The system as a whole has a massive chunk of hardware devoted to AV tasks, enough to make background encoding, decoding, playback, scaling, and the rest about as seamless as possible to the gamer. AV should just work and gaming should just work regardless of what the other is doing, something the PS4 should do as well but in a very different way. Then again the majority of this functionality is available in a <$100 Android box so it isnt a standout feature if you follow tech at all.

Then there are the GPUs themselves, the Achilles heel of the XBox One. While there is nothing wrong with them per se, they are a slightly older revision than used in the PS4 but the differences are small enough to be ignorable. What does matter is that the PS4 has about 50% more units at roughly the same clocks, 1152 at ~800MHz vs 768 at 853MHz, a massive difference. Couple this with the vastly more user-friendly 8GB GDDR5 memory design and you have a clean kill for Sony on performance.

Microsoft made a really impressive SoC that is a multimedia monster with a bit of gaming ability, technically speaking it is quite impressive that they pulled it off. Not to take anything away from the hardware designers but Microsoft management simply aimed wrong. Sony made a gaming machine, Microsoft did not. Sony made a clean design for coders, Microsoft did not. Microsoft made a complex technical masterpiece that is in a no-mans land between a far <$100 Android media center and the PS4. Sony just did right for gamers and won the battle."

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/09/03/xbox-ones-sound-block-is-much-more-than-audio/

 

Very well put and that's why I'm getting a PS4.

Wickerman777

[QUOTE="FoxbatAlpha"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile "the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it"

HalcyonScarlet

That's what Jimmy Savile said. :lol:

I apologise in advance. :P

I'm worried about Xbox One altogether. Everything hardware-wise was done wrong, not just Kinect. Software and policy decisions can be changed on the fly but choices you make with hardware you're stuck with. There was a few hardware-related things I didn't like about Xbox 360. The arcade model was silly and its existence held back the potential of 360 forever. And to a lesser extent I didn't care for them going with DVD instead of HD-DVD. But the silicon they did right. Hell, they did VERY WELL there. But they've screwed up Xbox One's chips badly. And this is coming from someone that's been a Xbox fanboy for the last 10+ years. They've managed to turn even me off.

Wickerman777

. Kinect seems to need some work, but thats why its games have been delayed to work out the kinks. There have been positive and negative previews of it, but most all of them agree the tech is much better so they will fix it. Im very impressed by the Xbox One so far. Hardware wise if Forza 5 and Ryse are representative of first gen graphics likely built on older dev kits as the final ones only were done in the last month, i see a bright future ahead. Just my two cents.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I'm worried about Xbox One altogether. Everything hardware-wise was done wrong, not just Kinect. Software and policy decisions can be changed on the fly but choices you make with hardware you're stuck with. There was a few hardware-related things I didn't like about Xbox 360. The arcade model was silly and its existence held back the potential of 360 forever. And to a lesser extent I didn't care for them going with DVD instead of HD-DVD. But the silicon they did right. Hell, they did VERY WELL there. But they've screwed up Xbox One's chips badly. And this is coming from someone that's been a Xbox fanboy for the last 10+ years. They've managed to turn even me off.

shawn30

. Kinect seems to need some work, but thats why its games have been delayed to work out the kinks. There have been positive and negative previews of it, but most all of them agree the tech is much better so they will fix it. Im very impressed by the Xbox One so far. Hardware wise if Forza 5 and Ryse are representative of first gen graphics likely built on older dev kits as the final ones only were done in the last month, i see a bright future ahead. Just my two cents.

Of course the games look good. It's weak compared to PS4 but it ain't like the thing only has the power of a pocket calculator. Heck, there's plenty of PS3 and Xbox 360 games that look good. Wether the games look good or not is not the question. It's how they look compared to PS4 games. And yeah, they seem to be holding up so far but these are launch games. The drivers for both systems are horrible at this point and that's an equalizer. But a year or two down the road PS4 is gonna pull ahead ... well ahead. It has to happen that way cuz the specs say so. If ya understand the specs ya don't even need to see game footage to know which hardware is superior. PS4 is somwhere in the ballpark of 30%-40% more powerful. No doubt about it. There's no way that's not going to show up on the screen eventually.

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

timbers_WSU

:| fo real?

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

timbers_WSU

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

Meanwhile the Playroom is looking more awesome everytime I see it

Davekeeh

:| Dude... How can that part of what he said, be what you're concerned about?

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="timbers_WSU"] Meanwhile the racist bigot is still here giving everyone his opinions no one cares about. HalcyonScarlet

:| Dude... How can that part of what he said, be what you're concerned about?

I'm worried kinect will spy on me. Who knows, it might snoop around my houseTheKingIAm

Kinect sucks. What else is new?

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
People do care about my opinion

Davekeeh

:| Dude... How can that part of what he said, be what you're concerned about?

oh :P :)

Strange

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

:| Dude... How can that part of what he said, be what you're concerned about?

HalcyonScarlet

oh :P :)

Strange

[QUOTE="shawn30"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I'm worried about Xbox One altogether. Everything hardware-wise was done wrong, not just Kinect. Software and policy decisions can be changed on the fly but choices you make with hardware you're stuck with. There was a few hardware-related things I didn't like about Xbox 360. The arcade model was silly and its existence held back the potential of 360 forever. And to a lesser extent I didn't care for them going with DVD instead of HD-DVD. But the silicon they did right. Hell, they did VERY WELL there. But they've screwed up Xbox One's chips badly. And this is coming from someone that's been a Xbox fanboy for the last 10+ years. They've managed to turn even me off.

Wickerman777

. Kinect seems to need some work, but thats why its games have been delayed to work out the kinks. There have been positive and negative previews of it, but most all of them agree the tech is much better so they will fix it. Im very impressed by the Xbox One so far. Hardware wise if Forza 5 and Ryse are representative of first gen graphics likely built on older dev kits as the final ones only were done in the last month, i see a bright future ahead. Just my two cents.

Of course the games look good. It's weak compared to PS4 but it ain't like the thing only has the power of a pocket calculator. Heck, there's plenty of PS3 and Xbox 360 games that look good. Wether the games look good or not is not the question. It's how they look compared to PS4 games. And yeah, they seem to be holding up so far but these are launch games. The drivers for both systems are horrible at this point and that's an equalizer. But a year or two down the road PS4 is gonna pull ahead ... well ahead. It has to happen that way cuz the specs say so. If ya understand the specs ya don't even need to see game footage to know which hardware is superior. PS4 is somwhere in the ballpark of 30%-40% more powerful. No doubt about it. There's no way that's not going to show up on the screen eventually.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="shawn30"] Can't say I agree with you for the most part. Games look great, and will continue to improve and look better as devs gain experience and learn to optimize the hardware. Polices are changed and that's a good thing. Look if I held onto everything I had against every company that tried something shady, changed, and improved things greatly I'd likely never buy any commercial item again. At least MS changed things way before launch. I'm not seeing any issues with the One's hardware or specs as it is what it is. Games wise I see Forza 5, Halo 5, TitanFall, Fable Legends, Project Spark, Ryse, and Dead Rising 3 coming all within the first year

. Kinect seems to need some work, but thats why its games have been delayed to work out the kinks. There have been positive and negative previews of it, but most all of them agree the tech is much better so they will fix it. Im very impressed by the Xbox One so far. Hardware wise if Forza 5 and Ryse are representative of first gen graphics likely built on older dev kits as the final ones only were done in the last month, i see a bright future ahead. Just my two cents.

shawn30

Of course the games look good. It's weak compared to PS4 but it ain't like the thing only has the power of a pocket calculator. Heck, there's plenty of PS3 and Xbox 360 games that look good. Wether the games look good or not is not the question. It's how they look compared to PS4 games. And yeah, they seem to be holding up so far but these are launch games. The drivers for both systems are horrible at this point and that's an equalizer. But a year or two down the road PS4 is gonna pull ahead ... well ahead. It has to happen that way cuz the specs say so. If ya understand the specs ya don't even need to see game footage to know which hardware is superior. PS4 is somwhere in the ballpark of 30%-40% more powerful. No doubt about it. There's no way that's not going to show up on the screen eventually.

Aye, aye, aye ... you're comparing apples and oranges. Yes, Sony hyped the hell out of PS3's tech but I never bought the Kool-Aid they were trying to sell. And just like now with MS I didn't have to wait to see their games to know they were full of it. Cell was a complicated mess and that's why it never worked. I never bought a PS3 just like I won't be buying Xbox One. This time Sony truly has better specs and the design is simpler as well. It's a clear win.