Lair developer sheds more light on PS3 capability

Eggebrecht says in the latest IGN video on their homepage:

"The very basic fact is that you can't do this engine completely as you see it there on any other system than the PS3. We've got so much physics running, we've got so many animations running, we've got levels with 25,000 soldiers in there. But we've got to simulate the army combat, which is going on on the ground, we've got all of these dragons being animated, of course. So, to pull off this world scale, where basically you can go from the macro 20,000 feet level in utter detail to, basically, character mode detail, I think that it would have been absolutely impossible on any other platform, let alone the previous generation."

He goes on to say it will support 1080p in full uncompressed 7.1 and that it should give Playstation 3 owners an idea of why they invested in the system. Refreshing gameplay, he says, full utilization of the Sixaxis, and clearly full technological implementation.

They say that about all there games. There worse than pc developers.

Team Ninja has a completely opposite philosophy.

both games look pretty cool...but too human just reeks of awesomeness

This was quoted from Eggebrecht directly (I typed what he said) in Episode 43 IGN weekly video. There is a lengthy 7-8 minute segment on Too Human which precedes it.Redfingers

too human beat it with 25,001 enemies on screen and with 20,001 feet from the ground at 1080p resolution? wow....

he all so says UE 3 is limited, and Ps3 has limitless power and potentional......we'll just have to see if what he says is true...I doubt hes gonna come out and say Lair sux massively the game we've sunk millions on a system we've sunk millions on stinks....so we'll just have to see..WilliamRLBaker

What you mean is this: We'll have to see if the Xbox 360 is ever capable of a game where you can be at a "20,000 feet" macro level that is 23x23 kilometers large occupied by 25,000 soldiers at this level of detail. Additionally, I hope it implements fluid dynamics and progressive mesh, since he also said those are only going to be found on the PS3 (perhaps he meant all in one place, but the point is resounding.) 

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]This was quoted from Eggebrecht directly (I typed what he said) in Episode 43 IGN weekly video. There is a lengthy 7-8 minute segment on Too Human which precedes it.GermanShepard06

too human beat it with 25,001 enemies on screen and with 20,001 feet from the ground at 1080p resolution? wow....

Precede means it was shown before Lair. We've seen Lair plenty of times. Perhaps this game that's been in the shadows (Too Human) for 7 months or whatever can get a moment in the spotlight? It was admittedly far too long, however, and the Lair video makes you forget about it. 

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]he all so says UE 3 is limited, and Ps3 has limitless power and potentional......we'll just have to see if what he says is true...I doubt hes gonna come out and say Lair sux massively the game we've sunk millions on a system we've sunk millions on stinks....so we'll just have to see..Redfingers

What you mean is this: We'll have to see if the Xbox 360 is ever capable of a game where you can be at a "20,000 feet" macro level that is 23x23 kilometers large occupied by 25,000 soldiers at this level of detail. Additionally, I hope it implements fluid dynamics and progressive mesh, since he also said those are only going to be found on the PS3 (perhaps he meant all in one place, but the point is resounding.)

What I mean is this, A company called factor 5 has a guy working for it, that says Ps3 has LIMITLESS I.E Unlimited power and potentional, If the ps3 is so amazing why aren't we all using it by now? why isn't nasa? the department of defence? reason? because in reality the nature of the universe includes some thing called...Every thing has a limit. The ps3 doesn't have limitless power and potentional if it did, then they're wouldn't be a ps4, or ps5, or xbox 4, or next nintendo system, we'd still be using ps3 50 years from now.

The same person at factor 5 says UE is limited, And since he works for factor 5 we have to assume he's comparing it to the engine they use, When was the last time factor 5 created an engine used by more then 100 companies, and received more then 50 awards around the world?

I rest my case, Factor 5 isn't making any games for 360, And never intends too from the looks of things, So I kinda of doubt he's gonna say the game his company has sunk millions into, and millions into a system sux compared to another, And I highly doubt he's gonna sing the praises of the 360 compared to the ps3.

So yet again, we'll just have to wait and see what lair gets in scores and how it plays, till then this is just dev at factor 5 a studio who recently made some really idiotic statements.

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]This was quoted from Eggebrecht directly (I typed what he said) in Episode 43 IGN weekly video. There is a lengthy 7-8 minute segment on Too Human which precedes it.GermanShepard06

too human beat it with 25,001 enemies on screen and with 20,001 feet from the ground at 1080p resolution? wow....

shutup

both games look pretty cool...but too human just reeks of awesomeness

souledge474

2human reeks of been there done that (dmc)

I am not saying the game is bad, in fact i think its going to be pretty good. But right now it looks too linear and the combat system seems a bit clunky. However, I think the game has improved in a HUGE way from their last showing in graphics mainly.

Eggebrecht says in the latest IGN video on their homepage:

"The very basic fact is that you can't do this engine completely as you see it there on any other system than the PS3. We've got so much physics running, we've got so many animations running, we've got levels with 25,000 soldiers in there. But we've got to simulate the army combat, which is going on on the ground, we've got all of these dragons being animated, of course. So, to pull off this world scale, where basically you can go from the macro 20,000 feet level in utter detail to, basically, character mode detail, I think that it would have been absolutely impossible on any other platform, let alone the previous generation."

He goes on to say it will support 1080p in full uncompressed 7.1 and that it should give Playstation 3 owners an idea of why they invested in the system. Refreshing gameplay, he says, full utilization of the Sixaxis, and clearly full technological implementation.

Redfingers

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]he all so says UE 3 is limited, and Ps3 has limitless power and potentional......we'll just have to see if what he says is true...I doubt hes gonna come out and say Lair sux massively the game we've sunk millions on a system we've sunk millions on stinks....so we'll just have to see..WilliamRLBaker

What you mean is this: We'll have to see if the Xbox 360 is ever capable of a game where you can be at a "20,000 feet" macro level that is 23x23 kilometers large occupied by 25,000 soldiers at this level of detail. Additionally, I hope it implements fluid dynamics and progressive mesh, since he also said those are only going to be found on the PS3 (perhaps he meant all in one place, but the point is resounding.)

What I mean is this, A company called factor 5 has a guy working for it, that says Ps3 has LIMITLESS I.E Unlimited power and potentional, If the ps3 is so amazing why aren't we all using it by now? why isn't nasa? the department of defence? reason? because in reality the nature of the universe includes some thing called...Every thing has a limit. The ps3 doesn't have limitless power and potentional if it did, then they're wouldn't be a ps4, or ps5, or xbox 4, or next nintendo system, we'd still be using ps3 50 years from now.

The same person at factor 5 says UE is limited, And since he works for factor 5 we have to assume he's comparing it to the engine they use, When was the last time factor 5 created an engine used by more then 100 companies, and received more then 50 awards around the world?

I rest my case, Factor 5 isn't making any games for 360, And never intends too from the looks of things, So I kinda of doubt he's gonna say the game his company has sunk millions into, and millions into a system sux compared to another, And I highly doubt he's gonna sing the praises of the 360 compared to the ps3.

So yet again, we'll just have to wait and see what lair gets in scores and how it plays, till then this is just dev at factor 5 a studio who recently made some really idiotic statements.

No, no, no. I've just explained to you why you do not have to wait and see. You've seen everything you will ever need to see and everything you will ever need to hear.

Let me first preface by addressing your ridiculous comments earlier. The PS3 does not have limitless potential in that it will change the world. To think that that is what he meant is more than a little absurd. What he means is that, as a game developer, he can implement just about anything that he wants to into his games without limit due to hardware constraints.

UE3 is limited. Compare UE3 to Lair. That's the only comparison that needs to be made. Factor 5 considered it limited. I would bet anything that they considered it prior to deciding they needed to create their own engine. The same decision was made at Insomniac...and at Naughty Dog, and at Konami. What we're seeing is a lot of developers that see two alternative choices...one offers an easy-to-use, commercial alternative, and one offers a deeper horizon that you have to dig into. Factor 5 chose the latter. Look where it got them.

The simple statistics are all you really need, but the work and level of detail in every facet of Lair's environments, animations, and physics drive the point home: this game succeeds anything on any console on the market today. Therefore, why do I need to play this game or see how it scores? Will the score reflect the number of soldiers or the resolution, audio quality, or the groundbreaking visual quality of the game? The score will take into account every facet of its design, which is not what would prove Factor 5 right or wrong. It would just determine whether this is a good game despite its visual elements.

Factor 5 considered 360 development, considered and is considering Wii development, and settled on the PS3. If he never makes a 360 game, we'll know why, won't we?

In this developer's opinion, the PS3 is more capable than anything previously conceived. In my opinion, this game's visuals prove it. 

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Eggebrecht says in the latest IGN video on their homepage:

"The very basic fact is that you can't do this engine completely as you see it there on any other system than the PS3. We've got so much physics running, we've got so many animations running, we've got levels with 25,000 soldiers in there. But we've got to simulate the army combat, which is going on on the ground, we've got all of these dragons being animated, of course. So, to pull off this world scale, where basically you can go from the macro 20,000 feet level in utter detail to, basically, character mode detail, I think that it would have been absolutely impossible on any other platform, let alone the previous generation."

He goes on to say it will support 1080p in full uncompressed 7.1 and that it should give Playstation 3 owners an idea of why they invested in the system. Refreshing gameplay, he says, full utilization of the Sixaxis, and clearly full technological implementation.

gnutux

No, sir. According to the Heavenly Sword developers, only the Cell is capable of rendering the dynamic hair, the physics with regards to projectiles, and the AI that they will spread across hundreds of soldiers on screen smiultaneously.

Add that to 1080p 25,000 soldiers, 23km by 23km with fluid dynamics and progressive mesh and I'd say you've got a pretty good case. 

Plus, I don't think I need to tell you that UE3 is limited, in light of the fact that CryEngine2 is now available for the development community as an alternative. Want proof? Watch Gametrailers for an explanation from the developers themselves. And I know you won't attempt to compare UE3 to CryEngine2...Redfingers

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Eggebrecht says in the latest IGN video on their homepage:

"The very basic fact is that you can't do this engine completely as you see it there on any other system than the PS3. We've got so much physics running, we've got so many animations running, we've got levels with 25,000 soldiers in there. But we've got to simulate the army combat, which is going on on the ground, we've got all of these dragons being animated, of course. So, to pull off this world scale, where basically you can go from the macro 20,000 feet level in utter detail to, basically, character mode detail, I think that it would have been absolutely impossible on any other platform, let alone the previous generation."

He goes on to say it will support 1080p in full uncompressed 7.1 and that it should give Playstation 3 owners an idea of why they invested in the system. Refreshing gameplay, he says, full utilization of the Sixaxis, and clearly full technological implementation.

gnutux

factor 5 isen't first party. They could pretty much do a Wii game next when they're done with Lair. There's no reason to lie.