Lair Walkthrough GT - Progressive Mesh only possible on PS3

Teh Cell!

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=18580&type=wmv

Part 2:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=18585&type=wmv

Heck yes I just watched part 1. I have to say that looked super impressive. And I was going to post on him talking progressive mesh only being possible with the CELL. Whoever does'nt watch it cannot comment.LiquidMetal14

Doesnt matter fanboys will still call it the  "suxors" when deep inside they know this game is goin to look awesome and its goin to play great..heck most of them dont even know  whats its all about and they still bash it..lol.im not suprise fanboys are just haters..lol..lemmings jus feel threaten by it...this is goin to be one of the game im goin to be picking up for sure..

[QUOTE="LiquidMetal14"]Heck yes I just watched part 1. I have to say that looked super impressive. And I was going to post on him talking progressive mesh only being possible with the CELL. Whoever does'nt watch it cannot comment.elementz28

Doesnt matter fanboys will still call it the "suxors" when deep inside they know this game is goin to look awesome and its goin to play great..heck most of them dont even know whats its all about and they still bash it..lol.im not suprise fanboys are just haters..lol..lemmings jus feel threaten by it...this is goin to be one of the game im goin to be picking up for sure..

watched all the trailers, i'm really impressed.mushi799

What's a progressive mesh?nytrospawn

Progressive meshes trim their vertices based on their LOD (level of detail).  The idea is that youcan save processing time by rendering less complex meshes when they're far away, since you can't see the detail anyway. 

 Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

Yea the graphics are crap? Just like you said.

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

The sad thing about your comment. You never touch a dev kit in your life. 

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

shungokustasu

The sad thing about your comment. You never touch a dev kit in your life. 

 And you have? So how does it make it "sad"?

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell.  On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE. 

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.themyth01

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

[QUOTE="nytrospawn"]What's a progressive mesh?Teufelhuhn

Progressive meshes trim their vertices based on their LOD (level of detail).  The idea is that youcan save processing time by rendering less complex meshes when they're far away, since you can't see the detail anyway. 

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

Teufelhuhn

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell.  On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE. 

 Correct me if I understood you wrong, but are you saying a SPE is more powerful than a PPE? Mind elaborating on this, as far as I understood an SPE wasn't capable of many things a true core processor could do.

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

Dude just give it up..Games that is build on the PS3 will looks better then the 360.one or two years from now there is goin to more amazing games for the ps3 then the 360..They didnt even fully use the PS3 yet and looks this amazing..imagine when they take advantage of the PS3 hardware is goin to be incrediable..

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[QUOTE="nytrospawn"]What's a progressive mesh?Jandurin

Progressive meshes trim their vertices based on their LOD (level of detail). The idea is that youcan save processing time by rendering less complex meshes when they're far away, since you can't see the detail anyway.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

LiquidMetal14

 I don't care how tech savvy they might be, they're simply estimating. The thing is you can't judge what a hardware can't or can do until you've tried to run it and in programming there are many walk-arounds to solve problems. As for them saying the PS3 is the best system, it'd stupid to expect anything else from people selling their game on that system, I suppose you could take Bungie's word on saying the 360 is the most superior console? Yet there is not denying they're technically savvy.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

LiquidMetal14

Yeah Factor 5 is solid, but they did not make any mention of the 360 GPU. They said that the Cell made progressive mesh possible and that it was not possible on other systems.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell. On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE.

Correct me if I understood you wrong, but are you saying a SPE is more powerful than a PPE? Mind elaborating on this, as far as I understood an SPE wasn't capable of many things a true core processor could do.

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.drsports1980

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

 I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

[QUOTE="LiquidMetal14"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

MikeE21286

Yeah Factor 3 is solid, but they did not make any mention of the 360 GPU. They said that the Cell made progressive mesh possible and that it was not possible on other systems.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

LiquidMetal14

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell. On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE.

Correct me if I understood you wrong, but are you saying a SPE is more powerful than a PPE? Mind elaborating on this, as far as I understood an SPE wasn't capable of many things a true core processor could do.

 From a processing perspective I see things the PS3 could do "better" but not anything the xbox360 could not do entirely.

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[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.themyth01

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

Yea. And I played gears of war too. And to state this as equal, is a barren for me. This game is amazing for the size. 32 by 32 km that is this detailed should be impressive, even for xbox fanboys, like you.

[QUOTE="drsports1980"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.themyth01

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.drsports1980

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

Yea. And I played gears of war too. And to state this as equal, is a barren for me. This game is amazing for the size. 32 by 32 km that is this detailed should be impressive, even for xbox fanboys, like you.

 From my view the only fanboy is you, but if this game gets a 10 in graphics in this site's review score I'm willing to admit I acted 'fanboyishly' on this, but again in my view this does not look impressive and I've seen games in the ps3 like FFXIII that do look great however this is not one of them.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

themyth01

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell. On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE.

Correct me if I understood you wrong, but are you saying a SPE is more powerful than a PPE? Mind elaborating on this, as far as I understood an SPE wasn't capable of many things a true core processor could do.

It depends what you mean by "powerful".  An SPE is really only meant for doing heavy floating-point calculations, basically number crunching.  I remember hearing figures that each SPE has 2-3x the floating point ability of a Pentium 4.  However although an SPE runs its own code, its not a full processor core per se.  It's not really meant for running general purpose code, anything with extensive branching (if else statements) will bog it down due to the lack of branch prediction. 

Anyway in very simple terms, SPE's are very good at heavy math stuff.  The Xenon (360 CPU) would never even come close in that area.   If you wanted to run three threads with crazy branching (maybe some ultra-uber AI from the year 2020, then Xenon would be your best bet.  Xenon's also more straightforward, which makes it easier to work with. 

From a processing perspective I see things the PS3 could do "better" but not anything the xbox360 could not do entirely.

themyth01

Well there's a point where if you can't do something well enough, you can't do it all.  Take something like Heavenly Sword, where you've got 100's of enemies and at the same time you've got awesome cloth physics.  The 360 might be handle each seperately, but you'd probably need to use 2 cores.  You'd then have to decide whether its worth it to dedicate 2/3 of your CPU power.

[QUOTE="drsports1980"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.themyth01

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

Yea. And I played gears of war too. And to state this as equal, is a barren for me. This game is amazing for the size. 32 by 32 km that is this detailed should be impressive, even for xbox fanboys, like you.

From my view the only fanboy is you, but if this game gets a 10 in graphics in this site's review score I'm willing to admit I acted 'fanboyishly' on this, but again in my view this does not look impressive and I've seen games in the ps3 like FFXIII that do look great however this is not one of them.

[QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

Teufelhuhn

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell.  On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE. 

the fact that people are comparing lair to gears is alone just proves how amazing the ps3 is.  given the size of  gears  and the huge size of lair, the two should not even be compared because gears should be far superior, but people still compare them, and lair holds its own. now think about the amount of enemies on screen in lair compared to gears.... and yet somehow its still has good enough graphics to be compared to gears.

all im saying is the fact people compare this to gears just shows how much better the ps3 is. 

I watched them and I've seen most of GT's trailers, and I am impressed by the graphics. However, the gameplay looks repetitive.. What can they do for this game to keep it fresh the entire time? Heith

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.drsports1980

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

Yea. And I played gears of war too. And to state this as equal, is a barren for me. This game is amazing for the size. 32 by 32 km that is this detailed should be impressive, even for xbox fanboys, like you.

From my view the only fanboy is you, but if this game gets a 10 in graphics in this site's review score I'm willing to admit I acted 'fanboyishly' on this, but again in my view this does not look impressive and I've seen games in the ps3 like FFXIII that do look great however this is not one of them.

 The trend? well it seems you haven't placed close attention (although too much from my view, but not for a fanboy I supposed to take the time to do something like that) because I didn't state that ps3 games must always look worse, as I said FFXIII looks great but Lair does not, I can't understand why people hype it in graphics at all. Like Warhawk, it just looks bad but yet people claim it as a graphical achievement, maybe my graphics viewpoint is just different to that of Sony fanboys but I seriously, in a non-fanboy way -even if I had a ps3 - would not look at games like Lair or Warhawk and praise their graphics. Anyways I have downloaded the video, I can post pics and detailed what is it I don't like about it and why to me it looks bad, it's not like I'm saying it looks bad because it's on the ps3.

 Another inconsistency with your post, I have never posted pre-alpha on Mass Effect pics threads, in fact I have never posted on ME graphics threads recently, I have however and in Halo3 boards, not SW posted that it is in pre-alpha. Where do you get "my posts" from, it seems you're confusing me or just making up bs.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

ROCK303

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell. On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE.

[QUOTE="drsports1980"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="drsports1980"]

[QUOTE="themyth01"] That's right, except the water I see bad graphics, I can't imagine why people would see otherwise except the fanboys of course.themyth01

Did you watch the walkthrough? Sigh.. This is why I actually think fanboys are blind.

I can download the video and take snapshots and post them if that'll please it really does not impress me at all, then again I've played Gears of War and that is the bar I have in mind maybe I'm expecting too much.

Yea. And I played gears of war too. And to state this as equal, is a barren for me. This game is amazing for the size. 32 by 32 km that is this detailed should be impressive, even for xbox fanboys, like you.

From my view the only fanboy is you, but if this game gets a 10 in graphics in this site's review score I'm willing to admit I acted 'fanboyishly' on this, but again in my view this does not look impressive and I've seen games in the ps3 like FFXIII that do look great however this is not one of them.

The trend? well it seems you haven't placed close attention (although too much from my view, but not for a fanboy I supposed to take the time to do something like that) because I didn't state that ps3 games must always look worse, as I said FFXIII looks great but Lair does not, I can't understand why people hype it in graphics at all. Like Warhawk, it just looks bad but yet people claim it as a graphical achievement, maybe my graphics viewpoint is just different to that of Sony fanboys but I seriously, in a non-fanboy way -even if I had a ps3 - would not look at games like Lair or Warhawk and praise their graphics. Anyways I have downloaded the video, I can post pics and detailed what is it I don't like about it and why to me it looks bad, it's not like I'm saying it looks bad because it's on the ps3.

I have just stated what you said in most cases :). And to state that lair looks at all like warhawk, is totally wrong. Warhawk lacks all the detail that lair has. It doesn't look at all appealling due to the graphics. The graphics are utter crap in warhawk. It has no detail at all, and doesn't appear to use  anything that makes lair look amazing. But hey, you made another comparision that I could point at, and laugh.

Looks great. :3

 Love the water though, I'd make sweet love to it.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="themyth01"]

Haha just like 1080p is only possible on the ps3 right. They probably haven't even touched a 360 dev kit.

ROCK303

It's certainly a whole lot more feasible when you've got the massive floating-point power of the Cell. On the 360 you'd probably have to dedicate at least whole core to pull of something like this, and even then you might not match the performance of one SPE.

In terms of floating-point performance, a single Xenon core would have a hard time keeping up with an SPE.  When you consider the almost limitless potential of the Cell, the PS3's got a big leg up on the 360.  Its harder to leverage since all your power isn't up front in the GPU, but its most definitely there.  Sorry, but the difference goes a lot deeper than just DVD vs.  Blu-Ray.