Larrabee officially dead. Project Offset's life in question.

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#1 cowgriller
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who didn't see this one coming. after years of talk with nothing to show for it, Intel has brought Larrabee behind the shed and "sent it off to greener pastures". now while this may not surpirse many, and even less of you may care about an Intel GPU, there is one other ramification that now has vaporware starting to cloud around it's head. Project Offset. a game originally designed for the PC/Xbox 360/PS3 that was later bought by intel and turned into a pc exclusive to show off Larrabee's graphics capabilities (which now seem to be rendering a blank screen). what is to become of Project Offset? so far nothing and it's not looking too well with the latest news entery being from March 2009!!!

Intel pulls plug on Larrabee; hangs head in shame.

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They will be back. If not they can always buy nvidia
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#3 BZSIN
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Wasn't Project Offset canceled a while ago anyway? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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#4 cowgriller
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Wasn't Project Offset canceled a while ago anyway? Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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only the console versions were cancelled. the pc version was still in production. but after this development, who knows. maybe MS will buy it and make it for the 360? that'll piss off pc only gamers.

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They will be back. If not they can always buy nvidiaLed_poison

doubtful. they don't have that cozy of a relationship. anyway, intel said they want to focus on IGP's.

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#6 dontshackzmii
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that sucks amd and nvidia need more competition

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#7 GulliversTravel
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Oh wow, after all that, darn this couldve been something big, where PCs would be a lot less simpler but a lot more powerful. Shame but oh well, i actually like having dedicated hardware based GPUs.
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#8 KittenWishes
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I guess the 360 version is back on the table then?
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that sucks amd and nvidia need more competition

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ATi are doing just fine, and itll be interesting to see what kind of CPU/GPU chips they can come up with. For once laptops may be able to play games at a decent price or desktop PCs could shrink but as well cost a lot less.
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

that sucks amd and nvidia need more competition

GulliversTravel

ATi are doing just fine, and itll be interesting to see what kind of CPU/GPU chips they can come up with. For once laptops may be able to play games at a decent price or desktop PCs could shrink but as well cost a lot less.

that's a bit contradictory. AMD is several years behind on fusion.

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#11 mitu123
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This is one of the few PC exclusives I would get later on, what a shame, all that hype and waiting for nothing.:(

I liked the concept of it too.

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We are still screwed though.

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This is one of the few PC exclusives I would get later on, what a shame, all that hype and waiting for nothing.:(

I liked the concept of it too.

mitu123
It also looked stunning. We should have known something was up after 3 years with next to no updates.. :s
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#14 2beers_in_hand
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I need a memory refresher guys wasn't this going to be a medieval FPS???

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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

that sucks amd and nvidia need more competition

cowgriller

ATi are doing just fine, and itll be interesting to see what kind of CPU/GPU chips they can come up with. For once laptops may be able to play games at a decent price or desktop PCs could shrink but as well cost a lot less.

that's a bit contradictory. AMD is several years behind on fusion.

I know, i guess we arent ready to jump ship yet, i think the whole mutli-core CPU designs and GPUs have a lot more potential. But something needs to be done because PC gaming has been reduced to just the enthusiasts, nobody is buying desktops and even if they do, they have crappy Intel GPUs in them.
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#16 mitu123
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I need a memory refresher guys wasn't this going to be a medieval FPS???

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Yes, and the graphics and videos were amazing.

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[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

I need a memory refresher guys wasn't this going to be a medieval FPS???

mitu123

Yes, and the graphics and videos were amazing.

Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.
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#18 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="2beers_in_hand"]

I need a memory refresher guys wasn't this going to be a medieval FPS???

GulliversTravel

Yes, and the graphics and videos were amazing.

Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.

Yep, to me it was the graphics king.:P

They showed that dragon which is said to be in real time, and honestly that thing looked better than Crysis itself.

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[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"] ATi are doing just fine, and itll be interesting to see what kind of CPU/GPU chips they can come up with. For once laptops may be able to play games at a decent price or desktop PCs could shrink but as well cost a lot less.GulliversTravel

that's a bit contradictory. AMD is several years behind on fusion.

I know, i guess we arent ready to jump ship yet, i think the whole mutli-core CPU designs and GPUs have a lot more potential. But something needs to be done because PC gaming has been reduced to just the enthusiasts, nobody is buying desktops and even if they do, they have crappy Intel GPUs in them.

people tend to buy laptops over desktops due to convenience. but with the surge of netbooks, tablets and smartphones, people see less value in desktops. especially when one takes into account cost. true desktops are the cheapest in terms of cost, but if you can't take it with you and if takes up a lot of space, it sometimes seems that it isn't worth the cost.

fusion is supposed t bridge the gap between GPU and CPU, not only in terms of performance, but also physically. though AMD is years behind, one could buy a CPU with an on die GPU, the latest Core i3 and Core i5 have them. this was also what Larrabee was to be used for. a general purpose processor that could also handle demanding graphics needs.

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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yes, and the graphics and videos were amazing.

mitu123

Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.

Yep, to me it was the graphics king.:P

They showed that dragon which is said to be in real time, and honestly that thing looked better than Crysis itself.

this was one of the last tech demos they showed. it's called "blind giant".

link

too bad they made him look like this guy

(and why do the ogre's in Rage look so similar?)

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I don't get why Anandtech and Engadget are acting like there's news here. Intel announced a long time ago that the latest Larrabee hardware revision wasn't going to be sold as a consumer product. They implied that they would continue working on the software, and then be aiming to release their next Larrabbe revision in a few years. Nothing in the Intel blog posts contradicts that. But I guess when you work for sites like that you have to occassionally make up the news...

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a shame about larabee.....it was a very interesting concept. im just speculating here but maybe intel greatly underestimated just how fast and brutal the GPU business is and they just couldnt get competative performance out of larabee. but it is a shame. as for project offset i hope this is not the end for them also. the game itself looks fantastic and if intel were to release it, or allow a publisher to release it (under an agreement of course) then it could be the new standard by which all graphics (tech wise) are judged and, in turn, could shift a bit of hardware. it also wouldnt do the brand any harm (not that intels brand is in a rut of course). but yah...bad news.
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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="cowgriller"]

that's a bit contradictory. AMD is several years behind on fusion.

cowgriller

I know, i guess we arent ready to jump ship yet, i think the whole mutli-core CPU designs and GPUs have a lot more potential. But something needs to be done because PC gaming has been reduced to just the enthusiasts, nobody is buying desktops and even if they do, they have crappy Intel GPUs in them.

people tend to buy laptops over desktops due to convenience. but with the surge of netbooks, tablets and smartphones, people see less value in desktops. especially when one takes into account cost. true desktops are the cheapest in terms of cost, but if you can't take it with you and if takes up a lot of space, it sometimes seems that it isn't worth the cost.

fusion is supposed t bridge the gap between GPU and CPU, not only in terms of performance, but also physically. though AMD is years behind, one could buy a CPU with an on die GPU, the latest Core i3 and Core i5 have them. this was also what Larrabee was to be used for. a general purpose processor that could also handle demanding graphics needs.

Interesting, its just even as an avid gamer, my current system i might upgrade down the line, but as for keeping up with PC gaming, its done. PCs are very difficult to manage when you are a student who lives away from home, but importantly, they actually cost a lot of money.
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I don't get why Anandtech and Engadget are acting like there's news here. Intel announced a long time ago that the latest Larrabee hardware revision wasn't going to be sold as a consumer product. They implied that they would continue working on the software, and then be aiming to release their next Larrabbe revision in a few years. Nothing in the Intel blog posts contradicts that. But I guess when you work for sites like that you have to occassionally make up the news...

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At least they arent as bad as Toms Hardware:P
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[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yes, and the graphics and videos were amazing.

mitu123

Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.

Yep, to me it was the graphics king.:P

They showed that dragon which is said to be in real time, and honestly that thing looked better than Crysis itself.

Personally i think this was probably thier best demo.

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.cowgriller

Yep, to me it was the graphics king.:P

They showed that dragon which is said to be in real time, and honestly that thing looked better than Crysis itself.

this was one of the last tech demos they showed. it's called "blind giant".

link

too bad they made him look like this guy

(and why do the ogre's in Rage look so similar?)

Ew:P, but this game kept looking better and better. Maybe because those games were developed around the same time?

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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="GulliversTravel"]Heck some of the E3 videos they showed looked like it was going to be the next graphics king.killa4lyfe

Yep, to me it was the graphics king.:P

They showed that dragon which is said to be in real time, and honestly that thing looked better than Crysis itself.

Personally i think this was probably thier best demo.

I like that too, it's technically impressive as well. But I love awesome looking dragons though.:P

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I don't get why Anandtech and Engadget are acting like there's news here. Intel announced a long time ago that the latest Larrabee hardware revision wasn't going to be sold as a consumer product. They implied that they would continue working on the software, and then be aiming to release their next Larrabbe revision in a few years. Nothing in the Intel blog posts contradicts that. But I guess when you work for sites like that you have to occassionally make up the news...

Teufelhuhn

well someone sounds scorn. this announcement means that the software version and all future hardware revisions of Larrabee are dead. they will not make discreet graphics chips.

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Project Offset was never a PC/360/PS3 game, it was always PC only even before Intel bought them.

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#30 lawlessx
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Project Offset was never a PC/360/PS3 game, it was always PC only even before Intel bought them.

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they intended on developing the game for the 360 and PS3
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#31 Snagal123
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[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

Project Offset was never a PC/360/PS3 game, it was always PC only even before Intel bought them.

lawlessx

they intended on developing the game for the 360 and PS3

I remeber them briefly talking about the 360, never the PS3.

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#32 cowgriller
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Project Offset was never a PC/360/PS3 game, it was always PC only even before Intel bought them.

Snagal123

not true. the game was announced in 2005 for all three platforms. it is still listed for all three platforms here and at IGN.

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#33 cowgriller
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Snagal123"]

Project Offset was never a PC/360/PS3 game, it was always PC only even before Intel bought them.

Snagal123

they intended on developing the game for the 360 and PS3

I remeber them briefly talking about the 360, never the PS3.

wow. nice contradiction.

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too bad PO may end up going the same route as WarDevil.

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[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="lawlessx"] they intended on developing the game for the 360 and PS3cowgriller

I remeber them briefly talking about the 360, never the PS3.

wow. nice contradiction.

You know what your right, i'm wrong.

I just did abit of looking around now and ive found them announcing a 360 version way back, but still can't find any info on a PS3 version.

Hey we all make mistakes, and it doesn't matter now anyway as it seems no one will ever get to play it.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I don't get why Anandtech and Engadget are acting like there's news here. Intel announced a long time ago that the latest Larrabee hardware revision wasn't going to be sold as a consumer product. They implied that they would continue working on the software, and then be aiming to release their next Larrabbe revision in a few years. Nothing in the Intel blog posts contradicts that. But I guess when you work for sites like that you have to occassionally make up the news...

cowgriller

well someone sounds scorn. this announcement means that the software version and all future hardware revisions of Larrabee are dead. they will not make discreet graphics chips.



Here's your "announcement" straight from the blog post:

We will not bring a discrete graphics product to market, at least in the short-term.

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[QUOTE="cowgriller"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I don't get why Anandtech and Engadget are acting like there's news here. Intel announced a long time ago that the latest Larrabee hardware revision wasn't going to be sold as a consumer product. They implied that they would continue working on the software, and then be aiming to release their next Larrabbe revision in a few years. Nothing in the Intel blog posts contradicts that. But I guess when you work for sites like that you have to occassionally make up the news...

Teufelhuhn

well someone sounds scorn. this announcement means that the software version and all future hardware revisions of Larrabee are dead. they will not make discreet graphics chips.



Here's your "announcement" straight from the blog post:

We will not bring a discrete graphics product to market, at least in the short-term.

and here's the rest of that quote:

As we said in December, we missed some key product milestones. Upon further assessment, and as mentioned above, we are focused on processor graphics, and we believe media/HD video and mobile computing are the most important areas to focus on moving forward.

let's not forget that the pc industry moves faster than any other. they've been working on Larrabee for 3 years only to cancel it because they were falling too far behind not only the competition, but on their own schedule. imagine if Nvidia were to can Fermi because they were behind schedule. hell, AMD has been behind schedule on Fusion for just as long as Larrabee has been around and AMD hasn't killed it off. they haven't even cut funding. though Intel said they won't put out any discrete graphics cards in the short term, they never specified what "short term" means in therir schedule. it could be a few months, a few years, or a few decades. Larrabee is dead.

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Project Offset never looked like anything more than a glorified tech demo.

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#39 Teuf_
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let's not forget that the pc industry moves faster than any other. they've been working on Larrabee for 3 years only to cancel it because they were falling too far behind not only the competition, but on their own schedule.
cowgriller



They canceled a release of a specific product line, not the entire project. I'd imagine that their milestones were based on performance, so it's not surprising that they weren't hitting them. That's old news.


imagine if Nvidia were to can Fermi because they were behind schedule. hell, AMD has been behind schedule on Fusion for just as long as Larrabee has been around and AMD hasn't killed it off. they haven't even cut funding. though Intel said they won't put out any discrete graphics cards in the short term, they never specified what "short term" means in therir schedule. it could be a few months, a few years, or a few decades. Larrabee is dead.

cowgriller



AMD has been going through the same thing. They attempted to schedule the release of several iterations of their hardware, and nothing ever came of them. Rather than man up and make an announcement like Intel did, they decided to just let them quietly slip off their roadmaps and hoped that nobody would notice.

Nvidia's obviously a completely different situation, since GPU's are their primary business. They can't just cancel an entire revision of their hardware, unless they wanted to bleed money for a few years. For Intel Larrabee is just a side project.

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[QUOTE="cowgriller"]
imagine if Nvidia were to can Fermi because they were behind schedule. hell, AMD has been behind schedule on Fusion for just as long as Larrabee has been around and AMD hasn't killed it off. they haven't even cut funding. though Intel said they won't put out any discrete graphics cards in the short term, they never specified what "short term" means in therir schedule. it could be a few months, a few years, or a few decades. Larrabee is dead.

Teufelhuhn



AMD has been going through the same thing. They attempted to schedule the release of several iterations of their hardware, and nothing ever came of them. Rather than man up and make an announcement like Intel did, they decided to just let them quietly slip off their roadmaps and hoped that nobody would notice.

Nvidia's obviously a completely different situation, since GPU's are their primary business. They can't just cancel an entire revision of their hardware, unless they wanted to bleed money for a few years. For Intel Larrabee is just a side project.

except that AMD will be launching fusion next year. so there goes that theory....