Lately it seems like COD4 has been hurting gaming in one way

Well first off, lets establish the obvious. COD4 is insanely popular. But the problem with that popularity seems that it's created an entire group (of about a million) of gamers whose only decent FPS has been COD4. Now these guys seem to be going around everywhere criticizing games that aren't like COD4 and wanting them to be more like COD4. Games like K2 and even uncharted 2.

Seriously, it would be as bad as going around and saying COD4 and K2 are bad because they don't play more like halo. It's really annoying and often detrimental to other games.

COD4 is NOT the perfect game. Other FPS's don't need to be more like it to be good!

What do you think?

CoD4 is essentially an FPS game with incredibly easy to succeed at online, and that's why people like it, and wish other games were like it. Because they suck at other games.

That's why it's hurting gaming. I'm sure game devs will look at it's popularity, and try to mimick it, so prepare for casual friendly online FPS games in the future.

I agree.

CoD4 is essentially an FPS game with incredibly easy to succeed at online, and that's why people like it, and wish other games were like it. Because they suck at other games.

That's why it's hurting gaming. I'm sure game devs will look at it's popularity, and try to mimick it, so prepare for casual friendly online FPS games in the future.

Mr_Nordquist

Well first off, lets establish the obvious. COD4 is insanely popular. But the problem with that popularity seems that it's created an entire group (of about a million) of gamers whose only decent FPS has been COD4. Now these guys seem to be going around everywhere criticizing games that aren't like COD4 and wanting them to be more like COD4. Games like K2 and even uncharted 2.

Seriously, it would be as bad as going around and saying COD4 and K2 are bad because they don't play more like halo. It's really annoying and often detrimental to other games.

COD4 is NOT the perfect game. Other FPS's don't need to be more like it to be good!

What do you think?

munu9

CoD4 is essentially an FPS game with incredibly easy to succeed at online, and that's why people like it, and wish other games were like it. Because they suck at other games.

That's why it's hurting gaming. I'm sure game devs will look at it's popularity, and try to mimick it, so prepare for casual friendly online FPS games in the future.

Mr_Nordquist

Sorry, but COD4 IS THAT GOOD. That is why people are playing it and wanting other games to be more like it. COD4 re-energiezed 1st person shooters with its newer experience-RPG elements that gave a good shot in the arm to a somewhat predictable genre. Now WaW is continuing that and MW2 will expand it further. Massive sales and incredible fun arent hurting anything. COD4-WaW are just showing how one dimensional other current 1st person games are.

Why do people say it is easy? No it isn't. All online games for every kill there has to be a corresponding death. Meaning the number of "sucessful" players has to be around equal the number of "unsucessful".

I thought it was a great game. Addicting online mode that was easy to drift back into after a break period.

It did make games like Killzone harder to play at first but that is because CoD4 is more "arcade"-ey.

I wouldn't say it was the best shooter ever, and I agree that it is rather overrated (especially with the casual crowd) but it is easily top 3 FPS this generation.

I was about to automatically disagree with you, then I actually read your post and I agree. Idiots were complaining about KZ2 having terrible controls (too much recoil on the guns, and way too slow at rotating) even though it's a differnt style of FPS!

I hate Call of Duty 4. I didn't derive very much enjoyment out of it at all.

My largest issues with it were its terrible networking (I bought the Playstation 3 version) and its auto-aim. Auto-aim ruins online gaming. So does P2P.

These issues are followed by enormous balance issues. The game revels in imbalanced gameplay. They instituted a leveling system that rewarded the most dedicated players with a plethora of weapons and special skills/loadout options while new players were rewarding with a whopping half-dozen primary weapons and two pistols to choose from. What bothered me most is the kill streak reward system that basically rewarded the best players in the game, not with a pat on the back, but by giving them Rambo powers to obliterate their foes.

If someone gets 3 kills, they get to see where all their enemies are located. If they get 5, they get to bomb the living piss out of an area, and if they get 7, they get a bullet-immune killcopter with aimbot to destroy the other team or suppress them into little corners for several minutes while it sprays highly accurate machinegun fire onto soldiers through trees and other cover. It's virtually indestructible. The UAV makes it easier to continue a killstreak, and likewise with the airstrike, meaning that successful players can combine the three and get a killcopter in no time flat. The problem with this is that it shifts momentum towards one side almost instantaneously and drastically slants the scorecards towards the dominant players instead of leaving every player with the same toolset and relying upon skill to allow players to muscle their way through. The team that pwns first basically wins match after match and the game doesn't even make an attempt to rebalance teams between rounds or allow you to swap teams.

In other words, the game is a nightmare to play online.

Sorry, but COD4 IS THAT GOOD. That is why people are playing it and wanting other games to be more like it. COD4 re-energiezed 1st person shooters with its newer experience-RPG elements that gave a good shot in the arm to a somewhat predictable genre. Now WaW is continuing that and MW2 will expand it further. Massive sales and incredible fun arent hurting anything. COD4-WaW are just showing how one dimensional other current 1st person games are.

StarkJJ

I hate Call of Duty 4. I didn't derive very much enjoyment out of it at all.

My largest issues with it were its terrible networking (I bought the Playstation 3 version) and its auto-aim. Auto-aim ruins online gaming. So does P2P.

These issues are followed by enormous balance issues. The game revels in imbalanced gameplay. They instituted a leveling system that rewarded the most dedicated players with a plethora of weapons and special skills/loadout options while new players were rewarding with a whopping half-dozen primary weapons and two pistols to choose from. What bothered me most is the kill streak reward system that basically rewarded the best players in the game, not with a pat on the back, but by giving them Rambo powers to obliterate their foes.

If someone gets 3 kills, they get to see where all their enemies are located. If they get 5, they get to bomb the living piss out of an area, and if they get 7, they get a bullet-immune killcopter with aimbot to destroy the other team or suppress them into little corners for several minutes while it sprays highly accurate machinegun fire onto soldiers through trees and other cover. It's virtually indestructible. The UAV makes it easier to continue a killstreak, and likewise with the airstrike, meaning that successful players can combine the three and get a killcopter in no time flat. The problem with this is that it shifts momentum towards one side almost instantaneously and drastically slants the scorecards towards the dominant players instead of leaving every player with the same toolset and relying upon skill to allow players to muscle their way through. The team that pwns first basically wins match after match and the game doesn't even make an attempt to rebalance teams between rounds or allow you to swap teams.

In other words, the game is a nightmare to play online.

Brownesque

Kinda like the Halo fan(boy)s do... but in the end, it's the people, not the games.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

I hate Call of Duty 4. I didn't derive very much enjoyment out of it at all.

My largest issues with it were its terrible networking (I bought the Playstation 3 version) and its auto-aim. Auto-aim ruins online gaming. So does P2P.

These issues are followed by enormous balance issues. The game revels in imbalanced gameplay. They instituted a leveling system that rewarded the most dedicated players with a plethora of weapons and special skills/loadout options while new players were rewarding with a whopping half-dozen primary weapons and two pistols to choose from. What bothered me most is the kill streak reward system that basically rewarded the best players in the game, not with a pat on the back, but by giving them Rambo powers to obliterate their foes.

If someone gets 3 kills, they get to see where all their enemies are located. If they get 5, they get to bomb the living piss out of an area, and if they get 7, they get a bullet-immune killcopter with aimbot to destroy the other team or suppress them into little corners for several minutes while it sprays highly accurate machinegun fire onto soldiers through trees and other cover. It's virtually indestructible. The UAV makes it easier to continue a killstreak, and likewise with the airstrike, meaning that successful players can combine the three and get a killcopter in no time flat. The problem with this is that it shifts momentum towards one side almost instantaneously and drastically slants the scorecards towards the dominant players instead of leaving every player with the same toolset and relying upon skill to allow players to muscle their way through. The team that pwns first basically wins match after match and the game doesn't even make an attempt to rebalance teams between rounds or allow you to swap teams.

In other words, the game is a nightmare to play online.

Jamani

thats why i love PDZ it gets alot of hate because it takes skill to play as it has little auto aiming and mostly balanced weapons (superdragon take a hike). its blatantly obvious in PDZ who the skilled players are and i love it, people moan because they dont know how to aim at heads they are too used to the computer dragging their targeting there for them. COD is a horrible granade fest with terrible auto aim, lazy map design (oh im playing the single player again woo), stupid perks (if i snipe someone they are not going to keep running) and terrible hit detection. dont even get me started on the singleplayer mess. COD after 2 = sh*tThebettertwin

thats why i love PDZ it gets alot of hate because it takes skill to play as it has little auto aiming and mostly balanced weapons (superdragon take a hike). its blatantly obvious in PDZ who the skilled players are and i love it, people moan because they dont know how to aim at heads they are too used to the computer dragging their targeting there for them. COD is a horrible granade fest with terrible auto aim, lazy map design (oh im playing the single player again woo), stupid perks (if i snipe someone they are not going to keep running) and terrible hit detection. dont even get me started on the singleplayer mess. COD after 2 = sh*tThebettertwin

[QUOTE="Brownesque"]

I hate Call of Duty 4. I didn't derive very much enjoyment out of it at all.

My largest issues with it were its terrible networking (I bought the Playstation 3 version) and its auto-aim. Auto-aim ruins online gaming. So does P2P.

These issues are followed by enormous balance issues. The game revels in imbalanced gameplay. They instituted a leveling system that rewarded the most dedicated players with a plethora of weapons and special skills/loadout options while new players were rewarding with a whopping half-dozen primary weapons and two pistols to choose from. What bothered me most is the kill streak reward system that basically rewarded the best players in the game, not with a pat on the back, but by giving them Rambo powers to obliterate their foes.

If someone gets 3 kills, they get to see where all their enemies are located. If they get 5, they get to bomb the living piss out of an area, and if they get 7, they get a bullet-immune killcopter with aimbot to destroy the other team or suppress them into little corners for several minutes while it sprays highly accurate machinegun fire onto soldiers through trees and other cover. It's virtually indestructible. The UAV makes it easier to continue a killstreak, and likewise with the airstrike, meaning that successful players can combine the three and get a killcopter in no time flat. The problem with this is that it shifts momentum towards one side almost instantaneously and drastically slants the scorecards towards the dominant players instead of leaving every player with the same toolset and relying upon skill to allow players to muscle their way through. The team that pwns first basically wins match after match and the game doesn't even make an attempt to rebalance teams between rounds or allow you to swap teams.

In other words, the game is a nightmare to play online.

Jamani

:lol: Teamwork? CoD4? You must be joking. It's a free for all frag fest, and unbalanced one at that. It dosn't really matter if the game is balanced or not because anyone who can aim and shoot can be the best player on a server. There's no real skill to playing CoD4, it's just a mindless run and gun, prenteding to be something so much more, which is why people love it.

COD4 is the best shooter of this gen so far hands down. Its so good that when playing other games they just suck because they dont have that feeling that COD4 and CODWAW give you. I have not played ANY FPS on the PS3 that is better than either COD games and I have played them all.

well maybe those particular people are hurting gaming but i think cod4 is a great game, one of the best shooter campaigns this gen and about 4 or 5th best multiplayer imo

CoD4 is essentially an FPS game with incredibly easy to succeed at online, and that's why people like it, and wish other games were like it. Because they suck at other games.

That's why it's hurting gaming. I'm sure game devs will look at it's popularity, and try to mimick it, so prepare for casual friendly online FPS games in the future.

Mr_Nordquist

COD1 was the best IMO (at least the single player-wise) people who havent played the first one doesnt even deserve to call themselves a COD fanfunsohng

I agree.

It's pretty amazing how noob-friendly the series has become when you compare it to the original game.

I hate Call of Duty 4. I didn't derive very much enjoyment out of it at all.

My largest issues with it were its terrible networking (I bought the Playstation 3 version) and its auto-aim. Auto-aim ruins online gaming. So does P2P.

These issues are followed by enormous balance issues. The game revels in imbalanced gameplay. They instituted a leveling system that rewarded the most dedicated players with a plethora of weapons and special skills/loadout options while new players were rewarding with a whopping half-dozen primary weapons and two pistols to choose from. What bothered me most is the kill streak reward system that basically rewarded the best players in the game, not with a pat on the back, but by giving them Rambo powers to obliterate their foes.

If someone gets 3 kills, they get to see where all their enemies are located. If they get 5, they get to bomb the living piss out of an area, and if they get 7, they get a bullet-immune killcopter with aimbot to destroy the other team or suppress them into little corners for several minutes while it sprays highly accurate machinegun fire onto soldiers through trees and other cover. It's virtually indestructible. The UAV makes it easier to continue a killstreak, and likewise with the airstrike, meaning that successful players can combine the three and get a killcopter in no time flat. The problem with this is that it shifts momentum towards one side almost instantaneously and drastically slants the scorecards towards the dominant players instead of leaving every player with the same toolset and relying upon skill to allow players to muscle their way through. The team that pwns first basically wins match after match and the game doesn't even make an attempt to rebalance teams between rounds or allow you to swap teams.

In other words, the game is a nightmare to play online.

Your actually very correct on this, in the KZ2, socom, and uncharted 2 betas people were making suggestions of making it more like COD4, some even comming out and just saying make it more like COD 4. It is so annoying, the reason i play other games is so i can get a different experience, not the same experience with different graphics. It can get pretty annoying, but luckily most devs dont think like that.

A) the killcopter has aimbot, meaning it automatically acquires a target and never misses, whether the target is fully exposed or behind cover. It can even see players through the trees. B) the Killcopter does massive damage to a player, killing the player instantly if he doesn't immediately find cover and not be exposed C) the Killcopter cannot be injured by conventional arms. You REQUIRE an RPG to take one down. I've literally sat there and shot at a helicopter with a high-powered LMG for roughly 150 rounds. I've also sat there and plinked one for half a dozen rounds from a Barrett .50 BMG. As you should know from the campaign, the .50 BMG can penetrate the cockpit of the helicopter, meaning it can penetrate essentially every part of the vehicle in real life. As such the fact that I can sit there and spray it with LMG rounds and .50 BMG rounds and it literally turns around and kills me in one second is pretty damned ridiculous. Plus the RPG cannot lock on and no reasonable loadout would even include the RPG unless it was exclusively built for cleaning out snipers and taking down helicopters. D) the Killcopter is highly mobile and can disappear in and around the map by simply flying a building and acquiring another target E) even if the Killcopter gets one single kill over the other team, it causes imbalance F) while you're shooting at the Killcopter, you are exposed and so are all your teammates trying to light it up. This exposes you to enemy fire and fire from the Killcopter, meaning instant death. G) Teamwork in Call of Duty? Is this a joke? What would my ability to play the game have to do with an obvious imbalance? But besides all that you're clearly bull*****ing me. As far as me sucking is concerned, you own an Xbox 360. Check yourself. Do you play COD4 with or without aim assist? I play Red Orchestra. I play with fully automatic guns that have dramatic muzzle climb that bounce all over the place when firing and bolt action rifles...and RO simulates the time it takes for a bullet to reach a given distance, meaning that if I'm hitting a target running horizontally, I actually have to lead the shot substantively. Meanwhile, you're using sticky-aiming and shooting people with fully-automatic highly-accurate assault rifles and regenerative health with grenades that can be hurled across the map. I don't really think you have room to speak here. CoD4 is, as other posters have noted, noob city. Just because you're good at CoD4 doesn't mean squat. It means you've adapted to the ridiculous setup of checks and imbalances put in place by the developers.Brownesque

Well thats just BS from your side now isn't it???

I couldn't count the number of times i shot down a heli with a Light machine gun.

hmm. you know why we don't hear more about the Wii here? Because the majority of Wii gamers are 8 years old. They don't chat online. It's seems that CoD4 players do.

I agree completely. I have many friends who only want to just sit there on XBL and play COD4 all day.

Yes it's a great shooter, but it's not the only great shooter out there for gods sake.

COD4 is so popular with the casuals because it's the easiest online shooter in existence.

I agree. I think the biggest problem is FPS devs try to copy it and make their game "arcadey" so they can sell to 10 year olds.

That is ruining FPS'. Just look at Vegas 2 for instance. Ubi tried to make it arcadey and it ended up being a big mess with their long time fans..

Well thats just BS from your side now isn't it???

I couldn't count the number of times i shot down a heli with a Light machine gun.

thejakel11225

I agree. I think the biggest problem is FPS devs try to copy it and make their game "arcadey" so they can sell to 10 year olds.

That is ruining FPS'. Just look at Vegas 2 for instance. Ubi tried to make it arcadey and it ended up being a big mess with their long time fans..

taj7575

COD4 is so popular with the casuals because it's the easiest online shooter in existence.

Gamer556

COD4 is so popular with the casuals because it's the easiest online shooter in existence.

Gamer556