Lemmings losing their eye for decent graphics

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically.  The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect.  Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!!  Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything.  Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it?  Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically.  The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect.  Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!!  Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything.  Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it?  Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

mercclass

I've played Forza 2 Demo last night that thing runs smooth as silk and the graphics are good nothing to turn your noise up at. And yes it looks as good as GTHD

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically.  The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect.  Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!!  Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything.  Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it?  Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

mercclass

I am a hardcore "lemming" but i have been saying all along that Forza 2 looked like crap from day 1, and that Halo 3 looks like garbage too, a rushed game probably

The good thing is 360 has games like Kameo, Viva Pinata, Gears, Fable 2, Lost oDyssey that frankly all destroy any PS3 game, so what if some games look mediocre ?

But an Xbox port like Heavenly Sword looks great?UssjTrunks

Your words not mine.

Forza 2 looks good in motion (especially in replays) and Halo 3 looks good for something in the beta stage. dracula_16

How can games like Bioshock look as good as they do but Halo 3 not? 

halo does look good

it might be a bit simplistic for some people, but that's the intentional style .. it still looks great technically in terms of textures, lighting etc 

But an Xbox port like Heavenly Sword looks great?UssjTrunks

Huh? 

yes because if you dont like something then no one else can. :roll: mirlegend

I like the movie in your sig.  I hope they at least add a splash animation when he hits the water.

[QUOTE="mirlegend"]yes because if you dont like something then no one else can. :roll: mercclass

I like the movie in your sig. I hope they at least add a splash animation when he hits the water.

they did. it was in the zanzibar leak. 

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically. The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect. Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!! Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything. Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it? Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

mercclass

im curious what games the ps3 has that look "Amazing"  

halo does look good

it might be a bit simplistic for some people, but that's the intentional style .. it still looks great technically in terms of textures, lighting etc

akif22

They intentionally made it underwhelming? Sheesh. You guys amaze me. What is it? Is it the beta excuse, the jaggies in a still excuse, the denial "it looks awesome you're crazy" excuse, or the it's supposed to look like that excuse. I do think the gameplay is more important than the graphics in this game, but you should extend these courtesies to the PS3 games you bash for the exact same reason. All three of these threads are so full of damage control its mind-boggling. 

[QUOTE="mercclass"]

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically. The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect. Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!! Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything. Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it? Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

ltxtinman

im curious what games the ps3 has that look "Amazing"

Halo 3 looks like an amazing game...NAPK1NS

Fixed. 

[QUOTE="mercclass"]

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically. The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect. Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!! Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything. Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it? Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

ltxtinman

im curious what games the ps3 has that look "Amazing"

Your question is a logical fallacy.  But anyway, both systems have amazing looking games that's not the question.  The question is why do these two not look "Amazing".  If they aren't supposed to then that's fine.  But I was under the impression that they would be on the level of a Gears.  Either way I will play them and enjoy them. 

[QUOTE="ltxtinman"][QUOTE="mercclass"]

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically. The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect. Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!! Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything. Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it? Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

mercclass

im curious what games the ps3 has that look "Amazing"

Your question is a logical fallacy. But anyway, both systems have amazing looking games that's not the question. The question is why do these two not look "Amazing". If they aren't supposed to then that's fine. But I was under the impression that they would be on the level of a Gears. Either way I will play them and enjoy them.

ur asking me? i have no idea 

Don't know, it's not out yet... D0013ER

No Doubt.  Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta.  Only a fanboy would do that.  And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

I have to give TC credit, he didn't start his paragraph with "Face it". But demos are never a good judgement on how the final game will look and play.Darthmatt

Sure they are.  Usually a demo can give you a good idea on how a final game will look and play some are carbon copies of specific levels that you will play in the final build.  That is why developers release them.  Was your statement supposed to be words of wisdom? 

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Don't know, it's not out yet... Mystikef

No Doubt. Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta. Only a fanboy would do that. And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

Sorry Mystikef but you must be a little behind.  Some "fanboys" from both sides have been underwhelmed with Forza and Halo's graphics.  

You're still behind because now they have moving screenshots called movies. 

[QUOTE="mercclass"]

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically.  The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect.  Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!!  Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything.  Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it?  Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

greg_splicer

I am a hardcore "lemming" but i have been saying all along that Forza 2 looked like crap from day 1, and that Halo 3 looks like garbage too, a rushed game probably

The good thing is 360 has games like Kameo, Viva Pinata, Gears, Fable 2, Lost oDyssey that frankly all destroy any PS3 game, so what if some games look mediocre ?

I'm a lemming as well and I agree with you in regards to Forza 2 and Halo 3. They look ok but nothing mind blowing. I'm starting to feel that both have been rushed and could have been so much better with more time and effort. Oh well, there are other games on the xbox360 that will show the true power of the system. Mass effect,Too Human etc...

[QUOTE="Mystikef"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Don't know, it's not out yet... mercclass

No Doubt. Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta. Only a fanboy would do that. And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

Sorry Mystikef but you must be a little behind.  Some "fanboys" from both sides have been underwhelmed with Forza and Halo's graphics.  

You're still behind because now they have moving screenshots called movies. 

I could care less about "sides" like some of you fanboys.  You can judge games you haven't played all you like... but that is what a fanboy would do...  better known in some circles as "pathetic idiots." I am a gamer.  I will get excited about any great game for any console.  I don't try to needless put down games from screenshots, demos, betas, or any other unfinished work. 

Once a game comes out...  if it is underwhelming, then so be it.  But too many of you harshly judge a work-in-progress.  That is the sign of a fanboy.  I am a gamer. And any gamer knows what makes a game great is the final polish they put on the game in the final remaining months of development.  A beta or demo just gives you a taste.  And many demos are made MONTHS before a games release date.

[QUOTE="akif22"]

halo does look good

it might be a bit simplistic for some people, but that's the intentional style .. it still looks great technically in terms of textures, lighting etc

D_Znuhtz

They intentionally made it underwhelming? Sheesh. You guys amaze me. What is it? Is it the beta excuse, the jaggies in a still excuse, the denial "it looks awesome you're crazy" excuse, or the it's supposed to look like that excuse. I do think the gameplay is more important than the graphics in this game, but you should extend these courtesies to the PS3 games you bash for the exact same reason. All three of these threads are so full of damage control its mind-boggling. 

I'm a lemming and I will admit that both Forza 2 and Halo 3 don't looks great, IMO. They good good but not what I was expecting coming from such a powerful system. I really think both games have been rushed and could have looked soooo much better with just a bit more development time. It pains me to say but its true. I would call myself an honest lemming.

Halo 3 looks amazing...NAPK1NS

Your not being honest. Halo 3 looks good but not amazing. I guess we shall see when the game comes out. However, I've not been impressed so far and I'm a lemminng

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Don't know, it's not out yet... Mystikef

No Doubt.  Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta.  Only a fanboy would do that.  And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

WHy is it that other games that are in "Beta" form look great? Mass Effect, Bioware, Too Human, Gears of War, Lair, MGS4, Motorstorm? I just don't get why they all looked great but Halo 3 doesnt look great in "beta" stage.

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Forza 2 looks good in motion (especially in replays) and Halo 3 looks good for something in the beta stage. mercclass

How can games like Bioshock look as good as they do but Halo 3 not? 

The same reason why some people can draw the human form perfectly, while others draw stick figures.

It all depends on the person/people behind the making of the game, not the hardware it's running on.

I don't know why 99.9% of you people can get that...

[QUOTE="Mystikef"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Don't know, it's not out yet... neversummer75

No Doubt.  Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta.  Only a fanboy would do that.  And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

WHy is it that other games that are in "Beta" form look great? Mass Effect, Bioware, Too Human, Gears of War, Lair, MGS4, Motorstorm? I just don't get why they all looked great but Halo 3 doesnt look great in "beta" stage.

You have to remember what the purpose of a beta is:  Testing of gameplay, testing of mechanics, balancing of weapons, learning what works/doesn't work in levels, etc... 

It is not to show off graphics.  Bungie announced months ago that they would not have the final polished graphics in the Beta.  They are testing the multiplayer so it will be as fun as possible in the final version.  That is it.  It is not to "Wow" anyone with the look of the game.  The ONLY purpose of a beta is to make the game better through testing and feedback.  So take it for what it is.

The E3 Gears Demos were PUROPOSELY for showing off it's amazing graphics.  But some demos show off the gameplay instead.  I thought the final build of R6: Vegas looked much better than the demo.

Halo has 6 months left to polish.  They will be working on the textures, adding enviornmental elements, adjusting levels, tweaking weapons, increasing framerate, tweaking animations, etc.  Take this for what it is... a BETA.  And feel free to comment accordingly, but fanboys should stop acting like this is the end-all be-all of a game when it has HALF A YEAR left in development and this is not even a demo...  it is a BETA.  Maybe this is the best the graphics will be...   but you will have to wait 6 months to find out, and it is highly unlikely that they will not be improving the graphics in the final 6 months of development.

[QUOTE="neversummer75"][QUOTE="Mystikef"]

[QUOTE="D0013ER"]Don't know, it's not out yet... Mystikef

No Doubt.  Instant stupidity for ANYONE in this forum that judges a game from random screenshots of a beta.  Only a fanboy would do that.  And I mean fanboy in the most pathetic and derogatory sense of the word.

WHy is it that other games that are in "Beta" form look great? Mass Effect, Bioware, Too Human, Gears of War, Lair, MGS4, Motorstorm? I just don't get why they all looked great but Halo 3 doesnt look great in "beta" stage.

You have to remember what the purpose of a beta is:  Testing of gameplay, testing of mechanics, balancing of weapons, learning what works/doesn't work in levels, etc... 

It is not to show off graphics.  Bungie announced months ago that they would not have the final polished graphics in the Beta.  They are testing the multiplayer so it will be as fun as possible in the final version.  That is it.  It is not to "Wow" anyone with the look of the game.  The ONLY purpose of a beta is to make the game better through testing and feedback.  So take it for what it is.

The E3 Gears Demos were PUROPOSELY for showing off it's amazing graphics.  But some demos show off the gameplay instead.  I thought the final build of R6: Vegas looked much better than the demo.

Halo has 6 months left to polish.  They will be working on the textures, adding enviornmental elements, adjusting levels, tweaking weapons, increasing framerate, tweaking animations, etc.  Take this for what it is... a BETA.  And feel free to comment accordingly, but fanboys should stop acting like this is the end-all be-all of a game when it has HALF A YEAR left in development and this is not even a demo...  it is a BETA.  Maybe this is the best the graphics will be...   but you will have to wait 6 months to find out, and it is highly unlikely that they will not be improving the graphics in the final 6 months of development.

The word "polish" is a fancy word the industry uses to refer to the last-minute shaders they plan on using in the game.

The beta screens of the game are most-likely what the final version will look like - the multiplayer, at least; single player tends to look a little better than multiplayer.

Until you really get the simple concept behind how a game is built in the engine, you realize words like "polish" really don't mean what you think. Building a game isn't like painting a canvas, one step at a time, eventually looking better and better.

It's:

1. Model

2. Texture

3. Map

4. Animate

5. Put into game

That's what the game will look like. They can't add anything more. The same goes for early screens of pretty much every other game.

The word "polish" is a fancy word the industry uses to refer to the last-minute shaders they plan on using in the game.

The beta screens of the game are most-likely what the final version will look like - the multiplayer, at least; single player tends to look a little better than multiplayer.

Until you really get the simple concept behind how a game is built in the engine, you realize words like "polish" really don't mean what you think. Building a game isn't like painting a canvas, one step at a time, eventually looking better and better.

It's:

1. Model

2. Texture

3. Map

4. Animate

5. Put into game

 

That's what the game will look like. They can't add anything more. The same goes for early screens of pretty much every other game.

Chloroformality

You have proven you know nothing about game development.  You really think they don't have the ability to add special effects, increase texture resolution, add more enviornemntal objects, re-color the sky, add more bump-mapping, etc?  They have SIX MONTHS and they will do those things.

The only purpose of a beta is to find out what is right/wrong with gameplay and to get feedback (if it is a public beta, like Halo 3). For all you know Bungie purposely put lower-res textures in the beta to keep the framerate up while they tweak the code. I work in the offices with Infinity Ward in Encino (my show and their offices share a floor), and if I showed them your post...  they would laugh at it.

Although I can't speak for Forza, I always thought that, from a technical standpoint, that multiplayer portions of games never look as good as the single player part. We haven't seen the single player part of Halo 3 yet, which may look better than what we've seen so far.

There are some parts of the beta that look underwhelming. I cringe at the models, because they look just like Halo 2. But I do notice better geometry in the envirnment, better lighting, better textures, and the water effects look pretty damn amazing to me.

I don't understand why a title in a franchise has to be the groundbreaker that it's predesessors were when they were released. The game has obviously improved since Halo 2. Could it have been better? Of course. They could have tried to make it as great as Crysis looks. But I think the gameplay, along with the graphics will be just fine in the end.

:lol: The lemming love for the Halo franchise has led many of them to believe that Halo 2 had the best graphics for Xbox.

;) 

 

;) 

thedarkomen

Did you really just post a screenshot from the single-player portion of a released game as a comparrison to a beta?

Ya know...  sometimes I think System Wars has hardcore gamers in it.... and then I realize that many of you don't even know what a beta is or what it's purpose is. 

And now some fanboy shows a screenshot of a finished game to try and one up "owners of a different console." Should they now post a picture of GeoW and show up you?  Afterall..  it is actually a released game and would make a much better comparison.

Fanboys.  :roll:

You have to be kidding me saying that Halo 3 and Forza 2 look great graphically.  The reality is they are passable but they aren't anywhere close to GeOW or Mass Effect.  Some Lemmings say Halo and Forza look omgpwnedtchbo!!!  Other Lemmings have turned into Sheep and say graphics aren't everything.  Others say "It's just teh Alpha Build!" (when the Beta looks almost the same).

So which is it?  Does Halo and Forza look "Amazing" or have they sacrificed some of their visuals for excellent gameplay?

mercclass

the only problem with that is xbox360 has all those games, and cows expected too much for halo 3, plus it looks good to me, call me when the playstation does better.

Both the 360 and PS3 pale in comparison to the PC...foxhound_fox

First of all..  I PC and console game.  But I am so sick of PC-only gamers saying stupid things like that.  What you are actually saying is "Console gaming pales in comparison to PC gaming if you have a kick-butt PC and actually prefer PC gaming, like I do."

95% of the PCs in the world can't play the latest games.  Of that 5% many will play them at an equal or worse level than a console.  Only GREAT PCs outperform consoles.  Kudos to you for having a great PC. But if you take into account ALL PCs...  you are very wrong.  I have a "fairly good" PC and my 360 outperforms it for gaming.  My PC and my Laptop outperform almost every computer that 20th Century Fox bought for our offices. (the video and audio editing computers definately outperform mine.)

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Forza 2 looks good in motion (especially in replays) and Halo 3 looks good for something in the beta stage. mercclass

How can games like Bioshock look as good as they do but Halo 3 not?

Its a Beta. The Graphics are not as good as there going to be. THey probaly got people working on the Polisihing as teh Beta is going on. THe whole point of the Beta is not to show of the graphics, but th etest the Multiplayer. 

[QUOTE="dracula_16"]Forza 2 looks good in motion (especially in replays) and Halo 3 looks good for something in the beta stage. mercclass

How can games like Bioshock look as good as they do but Halo 3 not?