Lemmings, snap yourselves together.

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console. 

You're right. Casuals are waiting until the consoles become cheaper.

But think about it. PS2 sales perked up when the console hit $200. How long is it going to take for the PS3 to get to $200? How long will it take the 360?

Therein lies the advantage.  

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Dashtal

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console. 

It's got its brand loyalty backing it up.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Tell that to the SNES owners who didn't transition to N64 or Gamecube. 

You're right. Casuals are waiting until the consoles become cheaper.

But think about it. PS2 sales perked up when the console hit $200. How long is it going to take for the PS3 to get to $200? How long will it take the 360?

Therein lies the advantage.  

sonicmj1

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Dashtal

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console. 

I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. liljon546

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Dashtal

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console. 

So when casuals go to the store to buy GTA and they see it's for 360, what console are they buying? Oh that's right, the more expensive one, of course! :| 

Yeah right, get a grip. 360 has GTA day one now, and it's always had Madden, so I don't know why you think casusals will buy a PS3 for these games when they can get it cheaper with a 360.

[QUOTE="Dashtal"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console.

Why would casuals want to wait another year for a PS3 price-drop when the 360 is probably getting one this Fall.

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

[QUOTE="Dashtal"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

peaceful_anger

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console. 

and then they go to the wii lol

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

It's got its brand loyalty backing it up.

AdobeArtist

Tell that to the SNES owners who didn't transition to N64 or Gamecube. 

[QUOTE="Dashtal"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

peaceful_anger

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console.

Maybe not, but if they really want their GTA which one do you think they are going to pick? 

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

If brand loyalty is the soul reason why the PS3 wins the console race, than why the hell should I (or anyone) want it? 

Would you rather own the console that deserves to win the race based on what it is, or the console that will win based on brand loyalty from a previous generation?  Personally, I dont' care enough about sales to buy a ps3 just to be loyal.

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

AfterShafter

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

bezaire2005

If brand loyalty is the soul reason why the PS3 wins the console race, than why the hell should I (or anyone) want it? 

Would you rather own the console that deserves to win the race based on what it is, or the console that will win based on brand loyalty from a previous generation?  Personally, I dont' care enough about sales to buy a ps3 just to be loyal.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

You're right. Casuals are waiting until the consoles become cheaper.

But think about it. PS2 sales perked up when the console hit $200. How long is it going to take for the PS3 to get to $200? How long will it take the 360?

Therein lies the advantage.

Bluestorm-Kalas

I doubt it. If you have Madden 08, why do you need Madden 07? If you have GTA4, what are you going to do with GTA3? It's not needed anymore. It's old news. Sell the PS2, and get a new console. Sell the games, and get new ones. 

If you don't spend a lot of hours playing games, you don't need to hang on to all your old ones, especially when there are shinier new ones available.  

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="Dashtal"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

thirstychainsaw

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console.

Why would casuals want to wait another year for a PS3 price-drop when the 360 is probably getting one this Fall.

[QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

If brand loyalty is the soul reason why the PS3 wins the console race, than why the hell should I (or anyone) want it? 

Would you rather own the console that deserves to win the race based on what it is, or the console that will win based on brand loyalty from a previous generation?  Personally, I dont' care enough about sales to buy a ps3 just to be loyal.

[QUOTE="liljon546"]I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. Bluestorm-Kalas

And the other console are just going to watch sony drop the price? The other consoles wont be the same price forever, and Sony is certainly not dropping the price this year, maybe not even next year. The point is once the PS3 is $500 (the other consoles may or may not be the same price), the casual gamers will have already jumped on another bandwagon   

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

AfterShafter

If brand loyalty is the soul reason why the PS3 wins the console race, than why the hell should I (or anyone) want it? 

Would you rather own the console that deserves to win the race based on what it is, or the console that will win based on brand loyalty from a previous generation?  Personally, I dont' care enough about sales to buy a ps3 just to be loyal.

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Dashtal

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console.

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="liljon546"]I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. HappyInvader101

And the other console are just going to watch sony drop the price? The other consoles wont be the same price forever, and Sony is certainly not dropping the price this year, maybe not even next year. The point is once the PS3 is $500 (the other consoles may or may not be the same price), the casual gamers will have already jumped on another bandwagon   

[QUOTE="AfterShafter"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="bezaire2005"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360?  It's got its brand loyalty backing it up. 

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops.  Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package.  The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up. 

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

If brand loyalty is the soul reason why the PS3 wins the console race, than why the hell should I (or anyone) want it? 

Would you rather own the console that deserves to win the race based on what it is, or the console that will win based on brand loyalty from a previous generation?  Personally, I dont' care enough about sales to buy a ps3 just to be loyal.

[QUOTE="Dashtal"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

Nteks

Casuals aren't willing to drop $600 for a console.

360 is going to have a price drop sooner than the PS3. IF it is this fall, casuals will jump all over it for GTA...I doubt a fall price drop though anyway. 

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"]

It's got its brand loyalty backing it up.

Bluestorm-Kalas

Tell that to the SNES owners who didn't transition to N64 or Gamecube.

And as things stand now, Microsoft has its own name in gaming, 1st in the PC market, and now built up with their console, which stands as formidable opposition to Sony's brand loyalty. Especially when Sony is losing exlusives to 360.

[QUOTE="HappyInvader101"]

[QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"][QUOTE="liljon546"]I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. Bluestorm-Kalas

And the other console are just going to watch sony drop the price? The other consoles wont be the same price forever, and Sony is certainly not dropping the price this year, maybe not even next year. The point is once the PS3 is $500 (the other consoles may or may not be the same price), the casual gamers will have already jumped on another bandwagon

Casuals arent loyal...:(

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360? It's got its brand loyalty backing it up.

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops. Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's. Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package. The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

Actually you're right. Many casuals are loyal to the playstation brand because of the ps2. Many still believe that GTA is exclusive to the PS3, the PS3 is ten times more powerful then the xbox 360, and that the PS3 is the only console to get if they want next gen graphics. How do I know this? Casuals have told me. It's sad the misinformation they have about consoles but there you go. The only reason they haven't gotten it yet is because they're waiting for the price drop. Lems are counting the ps3 out way too early.youngtongue

How can you think the PS3 will sell worse than the 360? It's got its brand loyalty backing it up.

People may be buying a 360 without having an XBOX because they see that it has a solid game lineup right now (Gears of War, Mass Effect, Halo 3) but the fact of the matter remains, the casuals who determine the market will wait until the PS3 price drops. Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's. Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package. The next casual grabbing game is Motorstorm, that commercial tantalizes all casuals and they want to play it, thinking it is a Twisted Metal racing game without the guns.

Like it or not, casuals, not hardcore gamers determine the market of video games, and Sony has that wrapped up.

There's one thing standing in its way, the Wii...

Bluestorm-Kalas

Face it, casuals love their God of War, Grand Theft Auto's (backwards compatible on their PS3 from PS2), and Madden's.  Sony has all three of those wrapped up in a neat little package. 

Bluestorm-Kalas

People can get GTA and Maddens on other consoles to.... well... one other. I wouldn't buy a PS3 just to play my old ps2 games, and GOW2 is on PS2 also. I don't need a PS3 for GOW. also all conosle GTA games are on Xbox and backwards compatable on 360. Also GTA 4 will be on 360. No one needs Sony for GTA. Same goes for Madden. GOW, GTA, and Madden are not reasons to buy a PS3.

That aside..... Motorstorm... God bless it's little heart, it tries so hard to be more than just another racing game, but thats all it is. Motorstorm is not a console seller.

[QUOTE="liljon546"]I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. Bluestorm-Kalas

I'm relllllllllllllllllllly getting sick of hearing about how the fanbase of the PS2 will help the PS3. $600 my friend, $600. liljon546