Lets get one thing clear - Is MGS4 possible on the 360?

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#1 nickmag
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I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

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#2 TarmacChris
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Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

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#3 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

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I think thats because it used the tilt mechanism in the game. The 360 can handle anything the PS3 can and vice versa, there's minimal difference between the machines in terms of overall power. So in short yes MSG is possible on the 360, will it come? I doubt it but you never know.
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#4 gromit007
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Sure. It may have to span discs, but it is very possible. In general, most blu-ray games could fit on a single DVD-9. The br discs merely repeat the same info a few times over the disc to compensate for slow read times. (Hooray first-gen players)
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#5 Michael85
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It's entirely possible, don't kid yourself.
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#6 apolloluke
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Where is the logic in this thread? Of course its possible, no games on the PS3 rival the graphics of their 360 counterparts.
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#7 TheCrazed420
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Of course it's possible. Hell, it's becoming probable.
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#8 trasherhead
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Only fanboys will be brave enough to tackle this one and say it is posible:P I on the other hand don't think it is posible at the current state. IF they downgrade all the gameplay machanisms it could probably be done but with higher res texture. But what is texture when you can't have the MGS experiance?
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#9 apolloluke
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Sure. It may have to span discs, but it is very possible. [gromit007
it would only span disks to fit in the millions of hours of CG this game will have.
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#10 OpticalCanine
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who cares id rather have snake eater or subsistance neways. afterall mgs2 was released on the xbox way after the fact.
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#11 GXR
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Is It Possible?  I would think so...

But, is it gonna happen ? I doubt it..

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#12 gromit007
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[QUOTE="gromit007"]Sure. It may have to span discs, but it is very possible. [apolloluke
it would only span disks to fit in the millions of hours of CG this game will have.

Actually, i dont think there will be any CG. It will all be engine-driven, thereby decreasing the size.

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Only fanboys will be brave enough to tackle this one and say it is posible:P I on the other hand don't think it is posible at the current state. IF they downgrade all the gameplay machanisms it could probably be done but with higher res texture. But what is texture when you can't have the MGS experiance?trasherhead
Oh dear oh dear .... damage control much? (PS spellcheck is your friend ;) )
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#14 kcpp2b
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This is like a year in or year a half in (360) for the new gen consoles and you think already there are games that couldn't be done on another console? You're crazy
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#15 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="gromit007"]Sure. It may have to span discs, but it is very possible. [apolloluke
it would only span disks to fit in the millions of hours of CG this game will have.

Is it imposible for MGS haters to get it through their heads that there isn't ANY CGI in ANY MGS game?
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#16 Raidea
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Of course it's possible.

But I doubt it will come to the 360.
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#17 CaseyWegner
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is it possible? yes. is it going to happen? extremely unlikely.
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#18 MasterC5
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I guess it could but the load times would be longer because it would have to be compressed alot on of the reasons Kojima said he liked makeing this for the ps3 was the amount of space on the blue ray disc so that meant you could at sound effects and details witout compressing them.
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#19 trasherhead
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[QUOTE="trasherhead"]Only fanboys will be brave enough to tackle this one and say it is posible:P I on the other hand don't think it is posible at the current state. IF they downgrade all the gameplay machanisms it could probably be done but with higher res texture. But what is texture when you can't have the MGS experiance?blue_hazy_basic
Oh dear oh dear .... damage control much? (PS spellcheck is your friend ;) )

Maybe alittle:P And ENglish isn't my native language so what you get is actualy pretty good;)
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#20 ColoradoKindBud
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is it possible? yes. is it going to happen? extremely unlikely.CaseyWegner

I'll remember you said that :wink:  I think it's almost guaranteed at this point, (and not because of the DMC news, but because Konami is smart & wants to make a lot of $ off of the title).

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[QUOTE="TarmacChris"]

Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

blue_hazy_basic
I think thats because it used the tilt mechanism in the game. The 360 can handle anything the PS3 can and vice versa, there's minimal difference between the machines in terms of overall power. So in short yes MSG is possible on the 360, will it come? I doubt it but you never know.


Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TarmacChris"]

Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

-Reggaeton-

I think thats because it used the tilt mechanism in the game. The 360 can handle anything the PS3 can and vice versa, there's minimal difference between the machines in terms of overall power. So in short yes MSG is possible on the 360, will it come? I doubt it but you never know.


Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?

Sorry that the Xbox can't do 120 frames per second like Kutaragi said the PS3 would.

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#23 Raidea
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Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?-Reggaeton-


Really? I own Gears, PGR3, GRAW, Oblivion and Viva Pinata and the only one with any real framerate issues is Viva.

Oh, and if you check the multi-platfrom review you'd see that the PS3 version of many titles have framerate issues, moreso than the 360 in some cases.
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#24 joe_g_patton
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Of course it's possible, but maybe Kojima thinks it would be a pain to port to the 360.  I wonder about the production costs for this game.  Gamespot is still listing it as "TBA 2007".  If this game launches in 2007, I wonder what the PS3 installed base will be at launch?  Konami could lose some serious cash if there simply aren't enough PS3 owners.
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#25 -Reggaeton-
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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?Raidea


Really? I own Gears, PGR3, GRAW, Oblivion and Viva Pinata and the only one with any real framerate issues is Viva.

Oh, and if you check the multi-platfrom review you'd see that the PS3 version of many titles have framerate issues, moreso than the 360 in some cases.



You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="trasherhead"]Only fanboys will be brave enough to tackle this one and say it is posible:P I on the other hand don't think it is posible at the current state. IF they downgrade all the gameplay machanisms it could probably be done but with higher res texture. But what is texture when you can't have the MGS experiance?trasherhead
Oh dear oh dear .... damage control much? (PS spellcheck is your friend ;) )

Maybe alittle:P And ENglish isn't my native language so what you get is actualy pretty good;)

I was wondering about that, I speak some French and a smattering of German and your English certainly knocks the socks off my ability in either of those!
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#27 DevilMightCry
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I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

nickmag


The Xbox 360 could run any game that is going to be released on the PS3, now, and in the near future.
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Of course it's possible. Hell, it's becoming probable.TheCrazed420
QFT. every day that goes by makes it seem more and more probable.
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You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.-Reggaeton-


Oblivion doesn't, the area loads are a pain and can make it stutter but nothing serious. Gears doesn't slow down at all for me, and I've played that game to death, the worst that happen is texture pop-in.

Again I ask you, do PS3 games not have framerate issues?
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1 thing for sure is that it cant fit into 1 DVD9....
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#32 ColoradoKindBud
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1 thing for sure is that it cant fit into 1 DVD9....joeychew

Ever heard of compression???  If Oblivion can fit on one DVD9, then how can you even act like MGS4 couldn't???  ROFL :lol: 

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[QUOTE="joeychew"]1 thing for sure is that it cant fit into 1 DVD9....ColoradoKindBud

Ever heard of compression??? If Oblivion can fit on one DVD9, then how can you even act like MGS4 couldn't??? ROFL :lol:


Ever heard of Mass Effect devs saying it barely fits on a DVD9 and had to remove some stuff and tweak the game?

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[QUOTE="joeychew"]1 thing for sure is that it cant fit into 1 DVD9....ColoradoKindBud

Ever heard of compression???  If Oblivion can fit on one DVD9, then how can you even act like MGS4 couldn't???  ROFL :lol: 

Multi disc perhaps. Bluedragon requires 3 DVD9...
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[QUOTE="joeychew"]1 thing for sure is that it cant fit into 1 DVD9....ColoradoKindBud

Ever heard of compression??? If Oblivion can fit on one DVD9, then how can you even act like MGS4 couldn't??? ROFL :lol:

Dont forget mass effect
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#36 Raidea
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I wouldent know since i dont own one.
But you faboys are so blind and ignorant that if i stated that 360 has a hypercube ad-on and shoots lasers you would believe it without hesitating.
And the issue regarding could 360 run mgs4, most likely yes but in that case it would pobably be a port and everyone knows the quality suffers if its a port(98% of the time)
-Reggaeton-


If I were you I'd get your own priorities straight before I started calling people blind and ignorant.

Your flaming of the 360 is blind and ignorant at best, I'm suprised you actually own the console. Mass Effect being cut to fit on the DVD9 for example, is incorrect, you can go on the Bioware forums and the developers have posted about it.
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I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

nickmag
Only possible if the 360 version had 2 or 3 cds worth of content to match the proposed use of 50 gigs on blu-ray. Since, HD-DVD can only hold 30 gigs. But chances are not to many 360 owners have the HD DVD. 10 million 360 owners. How many of those have it? So the Metal gear would be on the 360 normal disc and would require 10 disc worth data.
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From the comparison between what I've seen on my friends PS3 and my 360, the two console are pretty much equally powerful. As for the disk space issue... how much space can the game really take up? MGS cut scenes have always been in engine haven't they? I can't imagine the whole shebang overfilling a DVD 9. Mass Effect fit on DVD-9 and that seems like that would take way more space.
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#39 devinkaylin
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Last year, Kojima already stated MGS4 is possible on the 360.
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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.Raidea


Oblivion doesn't, the area loads are a pain and can make it stutter but nothing serious. Gears doesn't slow down at all for me, and I've played that game to death, the worst that happen is texture pop-in.

Again I ask you, do PS3 games not have framerate issues?

Same here, Oblivion gets choppy here and there, nothing serious.  GeOW runs smooth, as with every other game.

So if anything, MGS4 will run better on the 360.

Since Capcom made the right business decision by moving DMC4 to multiplat,

I'm sure Square and Kojima will follow, just a matter of when.

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#41 akuma303x
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I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

nickmag
look for the kojima interview with 1up. he clearly does not say it's not possible. he says he wanted to be a pioneer on the ps3. he says he likes the 360 but it was already out. he wanted to be a first, so he went with ps3.
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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TarmacChris"]

Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

terrellpakeman

I think thats because it used the tilt mechanism in the game. The 360 can handle anything the PS3 can and vice versa, there's minimal difference between the machines in terms of overall power. So in short yes MSG is possible on the 360, will it come? I doubt it but you never know.


Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?

Sorry that the Xbox can't do 120 frames per second like Kutaragi said the PS3 would.

He only said it's capable of 120FPS which is the case.
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[QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.Raidea


Oblivion doesn't, the area loads are a pain and can make it stutter but nothing serious. Gears doesn't slow down at all for me, and I've played that game to death, the worst that happen is texture pop-in.

Again I ask you, do PS3 games not have framerate issues?

[QUOTE="nickmag"]

I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

DevilMightCry


The Xbox 360 could run any game that is going to be released on the PS3, now, and in the near future.

Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.
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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.caseypayne69


Oblivion doesn't, the area loads are a pain and can make it stutter but nothing serious. Gears doesn't slow down at all for me, and I've played that game to death, the worst that happen is texture pop-in.

Again I ask you, do PS3 games not have framerate issues?

[QUOTE="nickmag"]

I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

DevilMightCry



The Xbox 360 could run any game that is going to be released on the PS3, now, and in the near future.

Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.

It will not hinder gameplay or graphics one bit.

Get your facts straight.

If anything you they might have to fit it all on 2 disk,

But as we saw on Mass Effect, im sure MGS4 can fit on one DVD9.

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#45 Raidea
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Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.caseypayne69


Gameplay takes a hit? What the...

There is no reason why the detail should be lost at all, there are loads of games currently on the 360 that look as good (or better) than MGS4 does, what is there in MGS4 that makes it so different?

All I can see is the 7.1 sound, which would probably have to be dropped to 5.1. But there isn't a lot you can't do with compression.
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#46 akuma303x
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[QUOTE="terrellpakeman"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="TarmacChris"]

Legally, its possible.

Technically, it's also possible. But it would require a lot of reworking, just because of how different the machines are wired. The developers of Lair said it wasn't possible on the 360, this is just phrased smartly, what they mean is "In its current state, it wouldn't run on the 360" even though the 360 is very capable of running it.

We're only 1 year into the next gen wars, no games that have come out so far are beyond the realm of the rival console.

Shinobi7777

I think thats because it used the tilt mechanism in the game. The 360 can handle anything the PS3 can and vice versa, there's minimal difference between the machines in terms of overall power. So in short yes MSG is possible on the 360, will it come? I doubt it but you never know.


Why does almost every 360 game have framerate issues?

Sorry that the Xbox can't do 120 frames per second like Kutaragi said the PS3 would.

He only said it's capable of 120FPS which is the case.

technically speaking the 360 could do 120fps also. the wii is the true 4-d. and blu-ray will win the movie format war. the ps3 has a processor that can cure disease and find world peace, but cant make COD3 run near as efficient as the 360 version. the 360 versions constantly outscore the ps3 versions. it will not be that way forever. the 360 has a gpu that should win an award for technical achievment of the year in GPU's. it is a true work of art. ................well.....ok.
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#47 zhenyu21
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[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.Raidea


Gameplay takes a hit? What the...

There is no reason why the detail should be lost at all, there are loads of games currently on the 360 that look as good (or better) than MGS4 does, what is there in MGS4 that makes it so different?

All I can see is the 7.1 sound, which would probably have to be dropped to 5.1. But there isn't a lot you can't do with compression.

because the ps3 version are ports of the X360 versions...
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#48 SolidSnake2020
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Nothing is impossible, for example: once DMC4 was announced in the gamespot news section the developer of the game said something about Nero's hand cause his hand turns into a weapon or something and the PS3 can do that only, well now the 360 seems capable of doing it to.
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#49 venture00
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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.zhenyu21


Gameplay takes a hit? What the...

There is no reason why the detail should be lost at all, there are loads of games currently on the 360 that look as good (or better) than MGS4 does, what is there in MGS4 that makes it so different?

All I can see is the 7.1 sound, which would probably have to be dropped to 5.1. But there isn't a lot you can't do with compression.

because the ps3 version are ports of the X360 versions...

And all the ports should look better since the ps3 ''its so much powerfull'' :roll:
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#50 Keric_basic
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[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="-Reggaeton-"]You telling me that oblivion hasnt framrate issues?!:o :lol:
I own LP, GeoW, Viva, pgr3, carbon, pd0 + 10 other games and pgr is the only one without the framerate issues or slow down. GeoW runs good too but when theres really really alot of action it tends to slow down and the framrate suffers.caseypayne69


Oblivion doesn't, the area loads are a pain and can make it stutter but nothing serious. Gears doesn't slow down at all for me, and I've played that game to death, the worst that happen is texture pop-in.

Again I ask you, do PS3 games not have framerate issues?

[QUOTE="nickmag"]

I hear that Kojima says it is only possible on the PS3, just because DMC made it to the 360 doesn't mean that MGS4 is coming to the 360 because it is most likely not as complex.

Ergo is MGS4 possible on the 360?

DevilMightCry


The Xbox 360 could run any game that is going to be released on the PS3, now, and in the near future.

Only if the gameplay gets hit. How are you going to throw a game that is 50 gigs of data into a 5 or 10 gig disc that the 360 is? You're going to take a huge loss of game video or game detail dropping.

Take a look at Resident Evil 2. It spanned 2 CDs on the Playstation, that means it was somewhere between 700-1400 mb big. The Devs for the Nintendo version were able to squeeze it all on a 64 mb Cartridge for the N64. Pretty amazing. In the hands of the right devs, anything is possible.