Lets get together FACTS on why the PS3 is failing.

No fanboys or anyone under the age of 18 please.

Facts not opinions please. Lets bust the following reasons.

1. Does Sony have market penetration. If So, How little?

2. Inferior Hardware. Why?

3. History of Sony Playstation Products. Failures, Why?

4. Sales. How many, how little?

I based these few topics on the failure of the Sega Saturn/Dreamcast/3do/t16. I understand the thought that just because something isn't releasing its franchise games, that some call it a failure. (Nevermind I don't get that). So in order to find a good reason for the PS3's failure I'm putting up these.

Playstation 3 hasnt completely failed yet

It has blu-ray which hasnt won the format war yet and does nothing but jack up the price

By the way i'm under 18, deal with it

Failing is a word I wouldn't use. Languishing, struggling, perhaps. It's not doing as well as Sony or the Cow community imagined it would, and certainly seems to be having trouble at competing, but as I said, failing is not rhetoric that needs to be directed at it.

The reasons it's struggling however are simple. Price point and a lack of strong exclusive library. Both of these can be turned around, hence the PS3's performance can be.

The advantages it actually has; better hardware, more future proof, have actually been shown as factors in the past that haven't decided console generations.

Software quality and sales is very poor.

Ps3's manufacturing cost exceeds the ps3's market value.

Demand for next gen format is minimal.

Substitution goods (xbox 360, and wii) are a better choice for the gaming console.

The PS3 failed because of its price.AHUGECAT

Software quality and sales is very poor.

So is your english, lol. But seriously, software quality is not poor, software ports have been lackluster @ times and overdramaticzed (sp?)

Ps3's manufacturing cost exceeds the ps3's market value.

This has happened for every system ever made... so no

Demand for next gen format is minimal.
So 360 is a failure too?

Substitution goods (xbox 360, and wii) are a better choice for the gaming console.
The first week the Ps2 came out, the Dreamcast had better games and a bigger selection... was the ps2 a failure to begin with too?Jhung207

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.CameosisJ

$500 is still outrageously high.

[QUOTE="CameosisJ"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.AHUGECAT

$500 is still outrageously high.

not for a blu ray player/gaming console... and dont give me that 'forcing the gamer to buy it' bs, coz w/o the BR drive, the games wouldnt have as much storage space. The poster quoted before said that the production costs are more than the sales prices... so how is it outrageous to sell the game at $500? Perhaps they shouldnt charge any money at all right? Oh wait... this isnt Russia in 1984. We arent communist.. people want to eventually make a profit :\

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="CameosisJ"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.CameosisJ

$500 is still outrageously high.

not for a blu ray player/gaming console... and dont give me that 'forcing the gamer to buy it' bs, coz w/o the BR drive, the games wouldnt have as much storage space

Too bad no one cares about Blu-ray... the average joe doesn't give a heck about it, and neither do developers considering only a few games (FFXIII and MGS4?) will use the Blu-ray properly but these series have a history of multiple discs anyways, so is it worth $200 so you don't have to switch discs?

FFS Every console in history loses money on the console. Sony is the only one making a profit.

MS spent how much to repair consoles?

Nevermind. DON'T reply to this thread, just let it die. You guys are all morons. No one posted any facts.. no information supporting anything. Just opinions. Did you even read the thread? Again.. not even worth it.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.CameosisJ

Software quality and sales is very poor.

So is your english, lol. But seriously, software quality is not poor, software ports have been lackluster @ times and overdramaticzed (sp?)

Ps3's manufacturing cost exceeds the ps3's market value.

This has happened for every system ever made... so no

Demand for next gen format is minimal.
So 360 is a failure too?

Substitution goods (xbox 360, and wii) are a better choice for the gaming console.
The first week the Ps2 came out, the Dreamcast had better games and a bigger selection... was the ps2 a failure to begin with too?Jhung207

People these days need to learn how to comprehen better these days.

Wii's manufactoring cost is less than its market value. The ps3's manufacturing cost is way above its market vaule.

I said next gen format (Bluray) and not next gen graphic. Learn to read.

And please don't compare the ps3 to the ps2. A better comparision would be sega saturn. Saturn and ps3 are expensive gaming consoles that are hard to develop for.

Lair, Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm, and RFOM are all ps3's best exclusive games. Need I say more?

[QUOTE="CameosisJ"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"][QUOTE="CameosisJ"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.AHUGECAT

$500 is still outrageously high.

not for a blu ray player/gaming console... and dont give me that 'forcing the gamer to buy it' bs, coz w/o the BR drive, the games wouldnt have as much storage space

Too bad no one cares about Blu-ray... the average joe doesn't give a heck about it, and neither do developers considering only a few games (FFXIII and MGS4?) will use the Blu-ray properly but these series have a history of multiple discs anyways, so is it worth $200 so you don't have to switch discs?

FFS Every console in history loses money on the console. Sony is the only one making a profit.

MS spent how much to repair consoles?

Nevermind. DON'T reply to this thread, just let it die. You guys are all morons. No one posted any facts.. no information supporting anything. Just opinions. Did you even read the thread? Again.. not even worth it.

Wil4hire

Duh... because there are no facts, just speculation and opinated persons. C'est la vie

Failed because of its price and the fact that it offers less int herms of quality software than the 360.hazuki87

Quantify "FAILING" please. Since you have a higher level I'll at least respect what you are saying. I just asked to post facts that say the price of the ps3 have something to do with the 4.2 million units sold world wide..

In the first year of PS2 how many developers used online gameplay? And how many do it now. Just because everyone doesn't implement it properly now does not mean they wont in the near future. Thats like saying 'only a couple ps3 games actually use the good graphics (marginally) as well as they could be.. maybe they should have just settled for inferior console specs. You want that bit of leeway for the future, now is only here for a secondCameosisJ

The network adapter wasn't even added until late 2002 I believe, so online games back then (such as Tony Hawk 3) had to use USB plugs but no one bought those anyways.

As you asked, why did the PS3 fail? Because it's $500 and no one wants to buy a $500 console with hardly any outstanding games. We all got Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo and GTA last generation for under $300, so why not this gen?

It hasn't failed..

The PS3 failed because of its price.AHUGECAT

yea it failed because you can't afford lol. and it will never never eva get a price drop.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.ff7isnumbaone

yea it failed because you can't afford lol. and it will never never eva get a price drop.

I can afford it (apparently you can't, "future" PS3 owner), but I choose not to because I have better things to spend my money on instead of a blu-ray player that happens to play games... like Xbox 360 games or Wii games.

[QUOTE="hazuki87"]Failed because of its price and the fact that it offers less int herms of quality software than the 360.Wil4hire

Quantify "FAILING" please. Since you have a higher level I'll at least respect what you are saying. I just asked to post facts that say the price of the ps3 have something to do with the 4.2 million units sold world wide..

First of all NEVER show respect to someone just because they have a high level. All it means is that they have wasted more time and doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

I consider the system a failure because it came out as the favorite, expected to beat the Wii and 360 hands down. Also because it is supposed to be a more powerful system than the 360. Add to that the fact that the PS1 and PS2 were winners in their generations. Now the PS3 is selling relatively poorly. The 360 had severe shortages for months that the PS3 has not faced and PS3s have been sitting on shelves since a few weeks after launch. It is doing okay I suppose but the competition is killing it in every way.

Quantify "FAILING" please. Since you have a higher level I'll at least respect what you are saying. I just asked to post facts that say the price of the ps3 have something to do with the 4.2 million units sold world wide..

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]The PS3 failed because of its price.ff7isnumbaone

yea it failed because you can't afford lol. and it will never never eva get a price drop.

It fails because consumer arn't willing to pay more than the market value. The market value of ps3 should be around xbox 360's price.

Gamers are not interested in bluray and are not willing to shell out $200+ more to play games that is currently on the cheaper xbox 360.

Sony's best exclusive games are rfom, motorstorm, lair, and heavenly sword. That should tell you something about the gaming library.

Blu-Ray seems like it'll ultimately win, but that still won't be fully decided for a few years, so customers aren't even close to wanting to shell out much money for either BR or HD-DVD. That's the type of thing you add like a DVD drive with the PS2; something that has no real competition and that people can get immediate use out of. DVD was an enormous upgrade over VHS, so it picked up in popularity, but the general public (based on sales) still believes DVD is more than good enough and that HD isn't necessary yet (another reason for the Wii's huge popularity).

Sony should've waited on Blu-Ray for the PS4, and they'd be in a much better position right now. They failed miserably in thinking that Blu-Ray would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2.

Sony made more than a few mistakes, but I remain convinced that there one HUGE mistake was sticking a Blu-Ray player into every friggin' PS3 out there, and especially when the vast majority of games aren't even taking advantage of the extra space. Blu-Ray was their big mistake, and arrogant public statements have also not served them well.

Blu-Ray seems like it'll ultimately win, but that still won't be fully decided for a few years, so customers aren't even close to wanting to shell out much money for either BR or HD-DVD. That's the type of thing you add like a DVD drive with the PS2; something that has no real competition and that people can get immediate use out of. DVD was an enormous upgrade over VHS, so it picked up in popularity, but the general public (based on sales) still believes DVD is more than good enough and that HD isn't necessary yet (another reason for the Wii's huge popularity).

Sony should've waited on Blu-Ray for the PS4, and they'd be in a much better position right now. They failed miserably in thinking that Blu-Ray would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2.

Zeliard9

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner, best analysis i've seen so far.

As you asked, why did the PS3 fail? Because it's $500 and no one wants to buy a $500 console with hardly any outstanding games. We all got Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo and GTA last generation for under $300, so why not this gen?AHUGECAT

I asked why do you think it is a failure... i cant pass judgement on a console after less than a year if it has an expected shelf life of +7 years. The reason the system costs so much is because Sony decided to go ahead of the curve and create better hardware. Everyone KNOWS Sony PS3 is a better system.The 60 GB system costs $840 dolars to create and then you ask why does its costs soo much?

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"] As you asked, why did the PS3 fail? Because it's $500 and no one wants to buy a $500 console with hardly any outstanding games. We all got Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo and GTA last generation for under $300, so why not this gen?CameosisJ

I asked why do you think it is a failure... i cant pass judgement on a console after less than a year if it has an expected shelf life of +7 years. The reason the system costs so much is because Sony decided to go ahead of the curve and create better hardware. Everyone KNOWS Sony PS3 is a better system.The 60 GB system costs $840 dolars to create and then you ask why does its costs soo much?

You don't understand economics very well. Just people you're getting a great value on a product it doesn't mean people are going to be all over it. Most consumers are not willing to buy the ps3 at its current price even if it cost significantly less than its manufacturing cost. The market value for the ps3 is more like $400 as that is the amount most consumers would pay to buy the system. Market value and value of the ps3 is 2 different things.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"] As you asked, why did the PS3 fail? Because it's $500 and no one wants to buy a $500 console with hardly any outstanding games. We all got Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, Gran Turismo and GTA last generation for under $300, so why not this gen?CameosisJ

I asked why do you think it is a failure... i cant pass judgement on a console after less than a year if it has an expected shelf life of +7 years. The reason the system costs so much is because Sony decided to go ahead of the curve and create better hardware. Everyone KNOWS Sony PS3 is a better system.The 60 GB system costs $840 dolars to create and then you ask why does its costs soo much?

The PS3 isn't a good system, at all. It has no games - and the future looks very bleak (all its games are getting delayed). That $840 won't be dropping down for years - by Christmas 2008 it's still probably going to be $400, still too expensive.

The PS3 has failed because it has not met ANY of its expectations. The PS1 and PS2 both surpassed 100 million, and the PS3 will be lucky to surpass 25 million.

Sony made more than a few mistakes, but I remain convinced that there one HUGE mistake was sticking a Blu-Ray player into every friggin' PS3 out there, and especially when the vast majority of games aren't even taking advantage of the extra space. Blu-Ray was their big mistake, and arrogant public statements have also not served them well. The current games are already starting to implement it (BR that is) and it is having an effect on games on multi platforms (UT 3 maps anyone? Or I can also bring up what the producer said about it too) You cant expect the dev teams to be able to implement full usage of BR off the bat, they have enough trouble gettin lag issues resolved (or is that just EA?) The jittery start is almost over and then I cant see why more and more BR storage wont be used for better and better graphics and maps and extra tidbits and what have you

Blu-Ray seems like it'll ultimately win, but that still won't be fully decided for a few years, so customers aren't even close to wanting to shell out much money for either BR or HD-DVD. That's the type of thing you add like a DVD drive with the PS2; something that has no real competition and that people can get immediate use out of. DVD was an enormous upgrade over VHS, so it picked up in popularity, but the general public (based on sales) still believes DVD is more than good enough and that HD isn't necessary yet (another reason for the Wii's huge popularity).

Sony should've waited on Blu-Ray for the PS4, and they'd be in a much better position right now. They failed miserably in thinking that Blu-Ray would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2.
Sony is thinking about the future while at the moment the consumer is thinking about the present. Sony choses not to make a system every 4 years or however long the Xbox lasted, they build for the future.

Zeliard9

Sony made more than a few mistakes, but I remain convinced that there one HUGE mistake was sticking a Blu-Ray player into every friggin' PS3 out there, and especially when the vast majority of games aren't even taking advantage of the extra space. Blu-Ray was their big mistake, and arrogant public statements have also not served them well.

Blu-Ray seems like it'll ultimately win, but that still won't be fully decided for a few years, so customers aren't even close to wanting to shell out much money for either BR or HD-DVD. That's the type of thing you add like a DVD drive with the PS2; something that has no real competition and that people can get immediate use out of. DVD was an enormous upgrade over VHS, so it picked up in popularity, but the general public (based on sales) still believes DVD is more than good enough and that HD isn't necessary yet (another reason for the Wii's huge popularity).

Sony should've waited on Blu-Ray for the PS4, and they'd be in a much better position right now. They failed miserably in thinking that Blu-Ray would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2.

Zeliard9

So 4.2 million people buy it because they wanted a Playstation & A bluray player? Even if they split it up like on the 360.. It would still have to cost around the same. BR players are still 500-1000 dollars.

I'd like to find a ps3 owner that didn't want a BR player at the time of the PS3 Purchase. Bluray is outselling HD-DVD. Where is the failure again? Bluray has DisneyHPFOXBest BuyBlockbuster backing it... Sony is pushing for a new 200GB disc which studios will surely adapt to and use. If you have no idea how MAJOR and Significant DISNEY is.. then you have no ground to stand on. Disneys distrubution alone is reason enough to know damn well there is no "War" just gasps of air from HD-DVD. They are losing money on every player/disc sold. Why would investors think "Yes I'll invest in HD-DVD over Disney's interests."

Poor people irritate me.

the present. Sony choses not to make a system every 4 years or however long the Xbox lasted, they build for the future.

CameosisJ

*DING* the xb1 is collecting dust while the PS2 Thrives, wonder who won that "war."

[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Sony made more than a few mistakes, but I remain convinced that there one HUGE mistake was sticking a Blu-Ray player into every friggin' PS3 out there, and especially when the vast majority of games aren't even taking advantage of the extra space. Blu-Ray was their big mistake, and arrogant public statements have also not served them well.

Blu-Ray seems like it'll ultimately win, but that still won't be fully decided for a few years, so customers aren't even close to wanting to shell out much money for either BR or HD-DVD. That's the type of thing you add like a DVD drive with the PS2; something that has no real competition and that people can get immediate use out of. DVD was an enormous upgrade over VHS, so it picked up in popularity, but the general public (based on sales) still believes DVD is more than good enough and that HD isn't necessary yet (another reason for the Wii's huge popularity).

Sony should've waited on Blu-Ray for the PS4, and they'd be in a much better position right now. They failed miserably in thinking that Blu-Ray would do for the PS3 what DVD did for the PS2.

Wil4hire

So 4.2 million people buy it because they wanted a Playstation & A bluray player? Even if they split it up like on the 360.. It would still have to cost around the same. BR players are still 500-1000 dollars.

I'd like to find a ps3 owner that didn't want a BR player at the time of the PS3 Purchase. Bluray is outselling HD-DVD. Where is the failure again? Bluray has DisneyHPFOXBest BuyBlockbuster backing it... Sony is pushing for a new 200GB disc which studios will surely adapt to and use. If you have no idea how MAJOR and Significant DISNEY is.. then you have no ground to stand on. Disneys distrubution alone is reason enough to know damn well there is no "War" just gasps of air from HD-DVD. They are losing money on every player/disc sold. Why would investors think "Yes I'll invest in HD-DVD over Disney's interests."

Poor people irritate me.

So basically the PS3 is a Blu-ray player that has a feature where you can play games? No wonder it's failing...

You don't understand economics very well. Just people you're getting a great value on a product it doesn't mean people are going to be all over it. Most consumers are not willing to buy the ps3 at its current price even if it cost significantly less than its manufacturing cost. The market value for the ps3 is more like $400 as that is the amount most consumers would pay to buy the system. Market value and value of the ps3 is 2 different things.

You dont understand economics very well if you assume that something with new technology such as the PS3 will throw itself out of the ring because of one shakey (but still respectable) year. The technology on the PS3 will be innovative for years to come so they have years to come to get more games (although they have some great ones already)

Also, Im done talking to you. At least the other posters are making sense, you clearly dont know what you are talking about. I tried to ignore your last posts but you keep posting the same irrelevant, not-well-thought-out, already-been-debunked ideas and Im tired of saying the same thing over and over

IMO, the ps3 is a failure and will always be a failurebecause gaming wasn't the focus when it was built, and it shows.

The PS3 isn't a good system, at all. Your opinionIt has no games it has games, It has games, what do you think gamers play all day? Mp3s? OR are you insinuating that the system has no games worth playing? - and the future looks very bleak (all its games are getting delayed. All its games? Wow what are the odds? Perhaps not all its games are getting pushed back, just the ones you read about who want to ensure the best gaming quality? Just because a game isnt hyped does not make it terrible. What kinda ultra fanboy would believe that. That $840 won't be dropping down for years Ummm... its already dropped by $200 when last quoted :\ by Christmas 2008 it's still probably going to be $400, still too expensive. You already said you can afford it, so it obviously isnt too expensive. And with the winter lineup there will be games to play... isnt that your only two plausible arguments defeated?

The PS3 has failed because it has not met ANY of its expectations. The PS1 and PS2 both surpassed 100 million, and the PS3 will be lucky to surpass 25 million. Blah that is all speculation. How do you know Sony doesnt want to keep the PS3 a low profile for the moment so as not to destroy potential PS2 buyers? Its a balancing act. if you have a system that sold 100 mil. unless you enjoy throwing money away (MS) then it is in your best interest (and consumers) to keep those 100 mil. happy and not feeling outdated. I smile when PS gamers get angry because there are not any big marketing stunts for the PS3s and their games at the moment. Sony is doing almost as well as the 360 was at this time AND IS COASTING. No commercials on 24/7, no deals with mountain dew, no Games For Windows, none of that. When Sony feels the PS2 has had its time in the sun, they will push the PS3 like they pushed the Ps2 and its a wrap.AHUGECAT

IMO, the ps3 is a failure and will always be a failurebecause gaming wasn't the focus when it was built, and it shows.

bluebrad1974