Lets take a trip back to 2006

With all this system wars BS and going on now. and all the MS hate, I thought I'd take a flash back to the PS3 launch to put some things in perspective.

Back in 2006 the PS3 launched. it had an unfamiliar architecture with the cell, it had split RAM which sony admitted a few years later was a mistake and caused memory leak issue in larger games. It launched at 600 dollars more then the PS4 and Xbox one did recently and 200 dollars more then the 360 which came out a year earlier. It had in it a BD player, something that not everybody wanted. I mean HD TVs weren't even a standard back then nor was HDMI as it is today. So an extra 200 dollars for a "bundled in" blu ray? Sony's response was "get a 2nd job to afford it"

then you had this

http://www.techspot.com/news/21708-sony-to-make-it-illegal-to-sell-used-ps3-games.html

http://www.wired.com/2006/05/sony_to_block_u/

Sony was planning on blocking used game sales for the PS3 (DRM anyone?)

Then you had this

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/173540/gabe-newell-ps3-a-waste-of-everybodys-time/

a valve developer calling the PS3 a "waste of everybody's time"

and "I think it's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted"."

PS3 didn't have or really support indies either at launch. Xbox did and launched XBLA.

The joke of the PS3 for the first 2-3 years was it has no games (remember these?)

I thought I'd point this out. especially to the younger folks here. I was a proud owner of a 360 at launch and a proud owner of a PS3 at launch. But nobody gave me crap for getting a PS3 funny enough. And now 8+ years later we all can look back and say the PS3 did just fine. It wound up having plenty of games. Some big exclusives that were highly rated and about equaled the 360 in sales give or take. And while sony isn't in the best terms financially it sure didn't bankrupt them and they sure didn't kill it off or let it die. So why all the xbox is doomed threads? By all means the xbox one is selling better then any console ever outside the PS4. this includes the wii, PS3, and 360 from last gen. Sure MS has done some dumb stuff along the way. But nowhere as bad as Sony did back with the PS3 launch. Can we not forget the promise of BC that was removed to save sony money on making PS3s? The 7 controller support that never happened? the last guardian?

or what about this

http://n4g.com/user/blogpost/m4ndat0ry_1nstall/516345

and this

http://www.wired.com/2013/02/sony-ps3-promises/

The main point was the PS3 launch was beyond a mess. So many lies, so many anti consumer things, too expensive due to BD disc, terrible architecture, no games and the list goes on yet, the PS3 wound up doing very well. So maybe a look back at history will show just how crazy some of the statements here are.

People always overreact the Xbox one will most likely ba alright in the long term. The ps3 offered serious bang for the buck though. A blu Ray player, state of the art hardware, and free online. Microsoft isn't for $500 I get weak hardware, pointless Kinect, and suspect first party. This is the reason I jumped ship from the 360.

except the PS3 wasn't state of the art hardware. It was terribly designed. Devs pointed it out from the beginning and even to this day multi plats are worse on it then the 360. Some games flat out broken. Yes the free online was a good selling point, but PSN was terrible when it launched. it really only got better 2-3 years down the road. Also what about people who didn't want a BD player? right? I mean according to system wars a console is for games only? So why pay an extra 200 dollars for weaker hardware just because it plays blu ray?

The thing I remember most back then was how active sw was. You had to check page 2, and 3 to find active threads.

Damn good point that I couldn't stress enough myself. Cows and Sony Ponies are the way they are though for getting their teeth kicked in and abused for about 7 years straight before the PS3 could come up for air and do something.

I like to pull out this gem in these conversations too.

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/25247543

lol

That last picture brings me back.

OMG I FUCKING LOVE YOU

TC's right though. The One is eerily similar to the PS3, except it's less shit at the time.

yeah. history is funny.

if last gen is anything to go by, there's still hundreds of millions of consoles to be sold.

isn't this more of an anti-xbox thread then anti-playstation? Sony learned from their mistakes and Xbox is flailing.

Its not an anti anything thread. its a history lesson for people who are too young to remember and even more-so to show how fickle gamers are.

I never have seen this before. CTFU! Thanks for posting!

The good old days. Fun times.

SMH. Are you really that stupid? Sony screwed up its 3rd console and still turned things around. Microsoft is on its 3rd console and it launched 5 months ago and isnt doing anywhere close to as bad as the PS3 did at launch. Microsoft has time, money and power to turn things around.

@darkangel115: the ps3 launched with an equivalent $400 graphics card, and akward but powerful cell. Also the cheapest blu Ray players at the time were $500 alone. The blu Ray player also benefited games as well because they weren't multi disk.

Thats pretty classic. Also its like 7 years old and yet still has new comments on youtube. And the comments are usual are pretty idiotic

That video was wonderful. Nostalgia'd so hard right there.

Man, do I miss 2006. New consoles, two of my favorite games of all time released Final Fantasy XII and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess and this place was a'roaring like the 1920s!

Now? Despite new consoles we be in the dirty '30s, otherwise known as the Great Depression.

Oh and the part where every bragged about having a Bluray player.......................but no one owned a HD TV. Classic times.

The third console curse

jeff girthman gave twilight princess an 8.8/10

gamespot cant be trusted anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

well the 400 dollar graphics card kinda failed it didn't it? I mean the games played better on the 360 and looked better. most had higher resolutions. Sure some great looking games came out eventually mostly from ND but it sure took a long time. In the end, anyone can look back now and know that the 360 ran the MP games better. The exclusives on each system were about equal. one didn't massively outperform the other. and for 200 dollars more, don't you agree it should? Also the load times were terrible and games needed a install of about 5GB per game to not deal with it due to the lower speed of blu ray. which is terrible for a 20GB hard drive. Basically you could install 4 games on it max at launch or deal with terrible performance. compared to the pop in a disc and play nature of the 360. And yes the BD was a good seller if you wanted one, but not everybody wanted a BD player. And that sure is taking the focus off gaming right? the BD drive included is no better then the kinect included on the xbox. Not to mention the cost of BD movies back then were like 40+ dollars compared to the 10 dollar DVD versions. Sure it helped on multi disc games, but how many were there? maybe less then 5? I mean I remember playing a 4 disc game on my PS1 (fear effect) lol. The point was the similarities between the PS3 launch and the X1 launch and how the PS3 wound up succeeding. Also points to a reminder that sony isn't some NPO that loves gamers. They are a company trying to turn a profit. No different from MS

back around ps3 launch i was trolling ps3, wat!!!! i was trolling sony no wayy!!! turns out im not a fanboy, i just troll companies when they deserve to get trolled. sony fu£ked up pretty bad with ps3 so i wasnt touching that shit

So basically all you proven is that in 6 years, you are still a troll and haven't grown up a bit. Well that is sure something to be proud of huh?

Word, if the PS3 actually had games to play it would pretty much be the xbone.

It's too bad for Lems that the PS4 is selling faster than even the PS2 did. All this underlines is how much Sony has learned in the past 8 years and how much MS turned its back on gamers.

well i have become much better at trolling, as u can tell by that old thread title i was new to the game back then and the thread got locked pretty quick. but now i employ much more advanced trolling techniques.

So obviously you don't learn much from history. And probably didn't read the thread either

Luckily it did have Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank which were both sweet games, but neither justified $600 (and you guys know how much I love the first Uncharted). For $500, the One has a lot more good games and features to rely upon.

Yeah, I did, and I'm sure the fact that MS had to turn around and add an HDMI port to the 360 or the fact that HD-DVD went down faster than a porn star with a Christmas bonus in a gangbang is completely lost on you as well. Really want to tangle on the details?

All that shit storm around the PS3 was the gaming media playing buddy buddy with Microsoft. Hind-sight being 20/20, the PS3 was the more powerful system. It was the cheaper system to own despite its pricepoint due to the free online. It was backed with more and better first party exclusives. It was also a very good BluRay player at the time it launched.

Microsoft opened the door for PS3 to catch up. When they switched focus to Kinect and abandoned gamers like me, we went to where the grass was greener. I used to buy into that bullshit we were all fed until I actually had one of my own and appreciated exactly how much a better system it really was. THAT is a major reason why things are the way they are now.

Sure, there are a number of people who owe brand loyalty to the XBox the same way that brand loyalty was pushing the PS3 early on. That's not to say there is real credibility to the bullshit like the DRM rumors, "Cell being broken and not working", BluRay costing $1000, PS3 overheating by the truck load and all that other stuff I bought back then which led me to get a 360. Microsoft was LUCKY that they had the developer support and messaging right with the gamers back then because RRoD tested a lot of peoples patience. The rumor mill surrounding the PS3 and the press playing along with it made sure people turned around and went through three or four XBoxes rather than give PS3 a chance until all signs pointed to a company drunk on sales chasing after the Wii's pot-o-gold leaving the gamers spinning in place.

I was in SW in the PS2/Xbox/GC generation. I remember the hooplah surrounding the 360 launch. I remember the hooplah surrounding the Wii and PS3 launch. I'm not going back to 2006. Been there, done that.

There were 1000x more posters and 1000x more hatred and a 1000x more topics. You would post in one thread and 100x threads would pop up...and one machine was hated most of all back then, the $500 and $600 PS4 gaming consoles. I remember getting my Xbox 360 gamerscore up at that time and just coming to SW to see the next bad news for Sony and the PS3. It was a joke machine back in 2006...as far as the majority of System Wars was concerned.

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C'mon, you even know it's been over 7 years, and we're talking way back in the last gen. Just let it go.

tc, the PS3 outsold the X360 almost every single month since launch in WW sales and it had games too. In its first year it had Uncharted, Resistance, Heavenly Sword, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Warhawk, Motorstorm, Ratchet and Clank, etc. Gabe Newell even apologized at E3. PS3's problem was always only one, and that problem was price. Now comparing that to the Xbone, its problem is the PS4 and that will never change.

Yes the PS3 launch was a mess. I also didn't buy a PS3 until they released the slim and fixed all the problems along with put out a large number of games I wanted. I also didn't give the PS3 a break. The reason the PS3 changed was because everyone was giving sony shit. If M$ is going to stay in this industry they need to change too. Otherwise they deserve all the shit they're getting and I hope they continue to get it.

I agree with you however the X1 isn't close to 500 anymore

What I remember the most back then is that when I had my 8800GTX the ps3 haven't even released yet and it was already a garbage, and ps3 fanboys was saying things like the ps3 is going to performance better than the 8800GTX. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL funtimes....

He acknowledged that the PS3 got alot better later on in it's lifetime, he's talking about it's early days and he's 100% correct. only a raging fanboy like you would think otherwise.

Also, media playing buddy buddy with MS, would you like me to fetch your cow sized tinfoil hat?.

There's something here to be said about history and learning from it, maybe something more about being doomed to repeat it....

The Xbone isn't coming back, OP. I'm sorry. It's over. Sorry Justin and lemmings.

Not really. Also, "The One." For ****'s sake.

Shot in the heart /

And you're too blame /

The Xbone has no games

@darkangel115: Technically, it launched at $499 for the base model, same as the XBone.

Other than that, not sure what you're on about. You sound like a troll remembering better days...

Well, I don't know what owning a PS3 early on was like, that much is true. By the time I got one, there were plenty of games to keep me occupied. You can keep the tinfoil hat. Only a blind fanboy couldn't see how favorable the 360 was treated last gen. Thankfully, last gen is in the past. MS showed their true colors and lost my business. It's really as simple as that. No need to get ugly about it. A real fanboy would buy a flaming turd in a box as long as their favorite company made it which is precisely what's happening right now with the XBone.

The reason why I mentioned those things in my last post was to underline that XBone doesn't have ANY of the same advantages the PS3 had going for it to catch up in the end. MS is going to have to spend this whole generation building new studios in order to even touch Sony's first party muscle. As a result, they simply won't be able to match the performance nevermind match the games. To be blunt, only a fanboy would think that the XBone and the PS3 have any similarities whatsoever.

The PS4 took everything that made the 360 a great game console (developer friendliness, powerful GPU, etc etc) and then back it up with first and third party support. Then give it an across the board power advantage, a lower price and a very clear design/image to the gamers. This race is Sony's to **** up. Meanwhile, MS is stuck pimping the Kinect which opened the door for the PS3 to catch up in the first place and otherwise just have an underpowered facsimile of a console on ALL points. This isn't fanboyism, just straight facts. There's a reason why the PS4 is outselling the PS2 and the Wii. Gamers know to look ahead when it comes to buying a games machine. After all, we were stuck in Gen7 for 8 years and look how the pendulum swung in the end.

I don't know why i even bother with you when you can spout this much fanboy bullshit and act like it's anything other than fanboy bullshit.

The PS3 worth was up to$1,400 if you actually wanted a Blu-ray player and xbox 360,blu-ray stand alone was $1,000 dollars,so basically sony sold people a Blu-ray player which by the way had the best image quality,and a next gen console all for $600 the PS3 was more than $800 dollars to manufacture,while been sold at $600,it was expensive but worth every damn dollar and then some..
Oh and Resistance scored 86% higher than any xbox one exclusive on Meta on launch.

The xbox one is weak and under power yet it cost more than the PS4,ad in fact in UK the xbox one was even more expensive on launch than the PS3,but didn't offer the value the PS3 had on 2006.

Your first link is bullsh** like it always happen on pre,launch in fact did you see sony delivering a patch on launch to eliminate the block on used games.?

No all the contrary Sony allowed owner to share PSN game with up to 5 people,he whole used games crap was based on a Patent awarded to sony on 2005 sound familiar.?

Yeah like it happen last year where people were claiming that sony would block used games based on a Patent,when it was MS who intended to block then and didn't own a patent on it.

http://www.itproportal.com/2005/11/09/ps3-to-block-used-games/

The one that talk about Final Fantasy is a joke is for Japan,on Japan used games were illegal,it wasn't like in US in fact you can trace this to older consoles than the PS1.

Yes that same gave newell make portal 2 on PS3 and call the PS3 version he best version,oh wait maybe it was because the PS3 version had co-op with the PC version something the xbox 360 version totally lack because of MS policies..

Supporting indies on PS3 would have been a nightmare,first the PS3 was expensive tech,and second it was hard as hell to the point where big houses like EA,Activision and other have problems making games imagine how much sadder it would have been for Indies,but mind you that it was sony who sparked indies on consoles with its net Yaroze on 1,a cheap PS1 dev kit,when MS wasn't even on the console market.

No lemmings claimed it had no games,and did so for way more than 3 years,before the PS3 was actually 1 year old already Uncharted was out,Warhawk as well as several other games.

Maybe you were not here,because sony was mock by the PS3 price for years,and sales here were a parade for 360 fans specially NPD which now some xbox fans like William Baker and sts106mat want to avoid like a plague...

Sony catch MS sales wise because MS never had a competent consoles outside US or UK,the rest of the world was PS3 all the way..

Backward compatibility was remove to lower cost,since i was a day 1 owned it didn't affect me,but some sacrifices had to be made,hell it wasn't like you could not buy a PS2 cheap when that happen sony still sold them.

There are games that support 7 players with 7 controllers,see this is what i hate about fanboys you claim to own something but you don't really know your console,lol...

Oh and the whole 7 controller was more of side effect of Bluetooth than anything else,sony just allowed them.

One of the games that support 7 controllers...

Are you using mandatory install against the PS3.? I guess you most have hate PC,because rather than partially installing the game,on PC all the game get install,and just from 1 disc,i remember my copy of UT 2004 on PC was 5 disc to install.

Oh but wait didn't the xbox 360 got HDD installs.? Yeah in some games is even mandatory..lol

Even that MS sold units without HDD...lol

So many lies yes so did MS,like all games will be 720p minimum with 4Xaa..

What anti consumer things the PS3 had.?

It had blu-ray which gave you 1080p movies for a fraction of the retail price.

It had free online play,

It had online browser which allowed you to even watch videos on sites like Hulu,

Didn't force you to buy batteries with a separate charger.,

Didn't charge you $100 for a 20GB HDD or $99 for a crappy ass wifi adapter that on PC was $19 dollars or less,nor sell you a dead format HD-DVD for $200 separate.

Yeah it was the PS3 the one anti consumer,what console blocked Netflix,hulu,internet explorer and all its apps under a pay wall.?

Who charged you for online play since 2002.?

Yeah the PS3 was anti consumer lol...

Poor sad lemming..

Doesn't matter if it's not doing as bad in the first 5 months. How is that relevant in any way? The fact is MS screwed up with very anti-consumerist policies, reminiscent of what PS3 did. Why did it take a huge controversy and e3 to change their policies?

Troll the 8800GTX came on November 2006 just like the PS3 in fact a few days earlier,it wasn't like it release on 2005,oh and it was as expensive as the PS3 it self..lol

Let me guess you also owned a fake quad core right.?

Yeah i remember your argument and how much stupidly claim than a quad core CPU and a 8800GTX ware better investment than the PS3 in the long run..lol

We all know how i debunked that argument,the 8800GTX is basically forgotten and the PS3 still here,in fact is was 2013 best platform for games..lol

So wait a moron comes and claim the PS3 was anti consumer,and i can point out what anti consumer really mean.?

I guess you still hurting from my arguments so tell me,how does anything you say change the fact that you need to buy a separate charge with rechargeable batteries for your 360 while you didn't need it for PS3.?

Oh wait the xbox one again does the same sh**....hahaha

So you are use to get rip off by MS is that it.? hahahaaa

can't really call a person stuck in the past for talking about AA batteries when it's Microsoft that STILL uses them with their new hardware.

You can troll all you want, but the fact is the 8800GTX is older than the ps3 even for a few days (in Japan, because in Europe the 8800GTX was released several months before the ps3 ).

A quad core CPU and a 8800GTX was a better investment than the PS3 in the long run FACT.

And in 2013 the 8800GTX play games with better graphics and performance than ps3. And I hope you are joking about the thing with the "2013 best platform"....

@tormentos "see this is what i hate about fanboys you claim to own something but you don't really know your console."

Is this really your latest defense for not owning a PS4?

I agree that a person should be ashamed if they don't know how or what they can do with their console/PC. You gave an example in another thread and I do get your point. BUT. That is in no way worse than the amount of praise and defense you show towards a console that you do not own. You are in every anti Microsoft thread bashing the Xbox One. You are in every Sony circle jerk thread praising the PS4. And you are in every thread critical of the PS4 defending it with your life. Being a fan of something is one thing. I don't really know what to call what it is you're doing, but It's not normal.