Loads Noobs on here i think its time to update the definition of Hardcore!!

Alot of Newbies around on SW's and alot of misinformed on the definition of Hardcore. Majority of people use the term and fail so hard for several reasons! 1) Graphics (if it has pretty graphics, Blood its hardcore.) 2) Age rating (if its below specific age it cannot be hardcore) 3) Genre (FPS = hardcore, Sports sim = Casual). Now lets see how these 3 definitions fail which are used on SW's the most.

1) Graphics: I dont see how Bloodmakes a game more hardcore, Majority of games with emphasis on blood (GTA, GoW, RE5, Madworld) have easy learning curves and game mechanics which is a better indicator of Hardcore and casual than graphics. Resident Evil previous to 4 was Hardcore for several reasons in comparison to newer encounters. 1) Learning Curve on control scheme. 2) Puzzles 3) exploration, Simple facts on why RE3 downwards is hardcore and why 4 and 5 are not. Violence doesnt make a game hardcore or casual but having a emphasis on violence rather than Controls, Game mechanics. You wouldnt say Nightmare on Elm Street is more of a Hardcore Movie than say Silent of the Lambs because Nightmare on Elm Street is OTT in blood but ingames its alrigt.

2) Age rating: If its below a specific age it cannot be hardcore?! Yes i see this alot and find it hilarious. Manhunt, GTA, GoW, Madworld are some of the easiest games control wise, 10 year olds can play them. Then you have games for all the family which are more complex than these titles like Zack and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3. TWEWY, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2 are all more hardcore as theyre more complex ingame but they dont have a 15 or 18 ratings.

3) Genre : I dont get why people say FPS are hardcore. 1st there isnt many puzzles in these games, No exploration, usual game mechanics. Though basing a opinion on a whole genre is total failure as you will get a mix of types of games under 1 genre(fallout, FF, Lunar Knights). FF is a RPG but its one of linear ones in comparison to say Knights of the nightmare or Final Fantasy Tactics. The only Genre which doesnt have casuals is MMORPG's.

I'd add more but meh....

There is a accepted definition of hardcore?

P.S. I know many people who play WoW and not any other video game, does that make them hardcore? No.

There is a accepted definition of hardcore?

P.S. I know many people who play WoW and not any other video game, does that make them hardcore? No.

Yandere

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There is a accepted definition of hardcore?

P.S. I know many people who play WoW and not any other video game, does that make them hardcore? No.

Ontain

I'd call that obsessed, in *my* definition you have to play a diverse array of games.

[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

There is a accepted definition of hardcore?

P.S. I know many people who play WoW and not any other video game, does that make them hardcore? No.

I'd call that obsessed, in *my* definition you have to play a diverse array of games.

I'd call that obsessed, in *my* definition you have to play a diverse array of games.

Yandere

if that were the case many pro-gamers wouldn't be hardcore.

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

toast_burner

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if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

Dibdibdobdobo

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

[QUOTE="WasntAvailable"]

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] Hush now.... Thats the way i see it but its funny to see arguing over such petty things.Dibdibdobdobo

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

Look what you just did :evil:. How are we going to clean that up?

Anyway I don't think anyone really cares. You can't justfiy things with words like "Hardcore", it's not a measure of quality.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

Definition of Hardcore: Dibdibdobdob. Someone who can say who is hardcore is clearly hardcore.

My definition of Hardcore: The centre of a seeded Fruit. or Constipation.

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[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"] Hush now.... Thats the way i see it but its funny to see arguing over such petty things.enterawesome

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

Your right :P. Bad habit, but I was just joking, hence the ridiculousness of the post, and I was also jokingin the first sentenceas well in case you didn't get that :P.

There is a accepted definition of hardcore?

Yandere

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

Dibdibdobdobo

Definition of Hardcore: Dibdibdobdob. Someone who can say who is hardcore is clearly hardcore.

My definition of Hardcore: The centre of a seeded Fruit. or Constipation.

zarshack

Nope wrong. My definition was in my 1st post. Your just talking out your backside.

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Definition of Hardcore: Dibdibdobdob. Someone who can say who is hardcore is clearly hardcore.

My definition of Hardcore: The centre of a seeded Fruit. or Constipation.

Dibdibdobdobo

Nope wrong. My definition was in my 1st post. Your just talking out your backside.

Ohh i'm so hardcore that my neighbors build me a shrineLookAnDrolL

Hardcore games are the ones which require lots of skill and/or gaming time. Doesn't matter if it is about zombies or about cute teddy bears.

personally, i think its the gamer, not the game. ever watch King of Kong? those are simple, simple games. the gamers, though, are as hardcore as it gets.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

dotWithShoes

I believe that a hardcore gamer means how much TIME one puts into The World of Gaming. Which is playing games, reading about games, and talking about games.

There is NO definition. Not an official one, not even an unofficial one. Nobody can ever agree on what it means. Therefore, hardcore doesn't exist. Gamers are gamers that play different games. There are dedicated gamers, and there are gamers who play occasionally. But not hardcore or casual. enterawesome

From System Wars sticky:

Casual

Generally accepted to be gamers who are not advocates of the medium, but enjoy playing mainstream titles on occasion. A gamer who plays Guitar Hero or Madden with friends on the weekends, without a deeper attachment to the gaming hobby would be a casual gamer. Casual gamers may play some of the same titles that hardcore or non-traditional gamers enjoy as well, though typically without the devotion to gaming seen with hardcore gamers.

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

Non-Traditional Gamers

Gamers who have purchased systems to play games aimed at demographics not traditionally targeted (such as young women, middle-aged men, or seniors) are considered non-traditional gamers. Titles such as Cooking Mama, Scene It, Wii Sports, and Brain Age are believed to be aimed at this group.

**The exact definition of a "hardcore gamer" is a subject that is sometimes debated within System Wars - this definition encompasses a general explanation for the term's use in most discussions, however the exact games, systems, and habits of a "hardcore gamer" are a matter of personal opinion.

Ah, Hardcore. Yet another gaming word that needs to be removed, by force, from the lexicon of SW.

I have never understood why any would want to consider themselevs a hardcore gamer. It's not exactly something to be proud of.

Being a hardcore heart surgeon would be a much better achievement.

most people here think that

games i like = hardcore

games i dont like = casual

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

if it was up to me there would be no hardcore and casual. we would just play games for what they are.

WasntAvailable

You're "i" should be "I", how could you make such an error? You were so distracted by the petty issues you made a very real and very serious error that puts everything in jeopardy.

:P

EDIT: I do proof read my posts, sort of, and GS randomly likes to mess them up. :x

Your "You're" should be a your...

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]There is NO definition. Not an official one, not even an unofficial one. Nobody can ever agree on what it means. Therefore, hardcore doesn't exist. Gamers are gamers that play different games. There are dedicated gamers, and there are gamers who play occasionally. But not hardcore or casual. glez13

From System Wars sticky:

Casual

Generally accepted to be gamers who are not advocates of the medium, but enjoy playing mainstream titles on occasion. A gamer who plays Guitar Hero or Madden with friends on the weekends, without a deeper attachment to the gaming hobby would be a casual gamer. Casual gamers may play some of the same titles that hardcore or non-traditional gamers enjoy as well, though typically without the devotion to gaming seen with hardcore gamers.

Hardcore **

Generally considered to be a longtime, dedicated gamer with a deep love for the medium. Hardcore gamers have typically played a large number of games, follow industry news, and have a genuine interest both in playing videogames and the hobby as a whole. The hardcore demographic also includes those gamers who become dedicated to the development of games.

Non-Traditional Gamers

Gamers who have purchased systems to play games aimed at demographics not traditionally targeted (such as young women, middle-aged men, or seniors) are considered non-traditional gamers. Titles such as Cooking Mama, Scene It, Wii Sports, and Brain Age are believed to be aimed at this group.

**The exact definition of a "hardcore gamer" is a subject that is sometimes debated within System Wars - this definition encompasses a general explanation for the term's use in most discussions, however the exact games, systems, and habits of a "hardcore gamer" are a matter of personal opinion.

there are few real hardcore games and most of them next to nobody here plays Hearts of iron Europa Universalis the total war series (as long as you don't put it on easy) NWN/Baulders gate X3 hardcore FPS are very few: Red Orchestra, ARMA I&II, and Darkest Hour is about itshadow_hosi

this may be the first time that i'll agree with you lol. i loved Neverwinter and Baldur's Gate. those were almost a decade ago (Baldur's gate was 1999?) @_@

yea, i dont like games that have too much blood or swearing or what-have-yous. they're just irritating especialy the swearing gangsters wtf. not hardcore at all. for me though, Disgaea>FF Tactics. uh-oh. lol. there's this game on the ps1 called Tactics Ogre (The BEst eva!). i'd say Demon's Souls is hardcore, not jsut because of the difficulty, but because of the weapons and new online and offline mechanics etc. i love the stamina bar lmao.

If you like Call of Duty because you're "good" at the game, and hate other online shooters you are not hardcore

If you magically got better at Counter Strike by switching to Source, and dismiss 1.6 as a good game then you are not hardcore.

If you think TF2 is a highly competitive game you are not hardcore.

If you dismiss the entirety of the Wii library for being kiddy you are not hardcore.

If you dismiss the DS's library for being kiddy you are not hardcore.

If you think the PC is dying, and has no good games you are not hardcore.

If you didn't like the Sega Dreamcast then **** you.

The list could honestly just go on and on. Hardcore gamers play skill-based games, they play underrated games, they keep up to date with gaming news, and they just play a lot. Hardcore gamers don't dismiss great games just because they're colorful, or don't have the best graphics, and they also don't only restrict themselves to shooters.

We all have our own connotation of the word. This will never be resolved.

Seriously who really cares about being a hardcore,casual,or whatever else people are calling each other. At the end of the day you still just a gamer. I play what I think is fun and entertaining to me. Screw the lame definitions.

The list could honestly just go on and on. Hardcore gamers play skill-based games, they play underrated games, they keep up to date with gaming news, and they just play a lot. Hardcore gamers don't dismiss great games just because they're colorful, or don't have the best graphics, and they also don't only restrict themselves to shooters.

Mr_Nordquist

Best definition I've heard around here.

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The list could honestly just go on and on. Hardcore gamers play skill-based games, they play underrated games, they keep up to date with gaming news, and they just play a lot. Hardcore gamers don't dismiss great games just because they're colorful, or don't have the best graphics, and they also don't only restrict themselves to shooters.

PatchMaster

Best definition I've heard around here.

Oh so true.

Hardcore games are just games that cater unflinchingly to a very specific audience.

Hardcore gamers are just video game conneseuirs.

Not that complicated.

Defining hard core is easy: soft outside and hard at it's core. :P

There is no "true" definition of hardcore and/or casual gamers, and there has never been a consensus on SW about what is even the most common operational definition for either term.

I strictly use it to indicate the level of passion for the hobby, which I can make a comparison to movies like so: a movie fan who sees The Dark Knight and Twilight in theaters and buys a few movies from time to time would be like the casual gamer to me. It is something to pass the time that they enjoy. They may know a few developers, they know what the systems are, but they care most about having fun with a game, and that is about it. They are the group who does not care about aspect ratios, etc. They just want their entertainment. Nothing wrong with that.

A hardcore gamer is like a movie buff. A movie buff knows the actors in a movie, knows most directors, will own hundreds of films, sees plenty in theaters, cares about the business side of the industry, etc. They are the ones talking about director's intentions and such. They never get the fullscreen version of a matted film. Likewise, a hardcore gamer to me knows quite a bit about the industry. They might not know how to code, but they understand the processes involved in making a game. They have extensive collections of games usually, and they are generally just more involved and interested in the industry than a casual gamer.

And for the record, both are crucially vital to the industry's survival IMO.

A hardcore gamer is somebody who plays games 24/7, you won't find them on Gamespot since they *GASP* will be too busy playing games.

A hardcore gamer is somebody who plays games 24/7, you won't find them on Gamespot since they *GASP* will be too busy playing games.

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