Logically speaking it must be a disapointing reality

I don't know what kind of dream world "SOME" consolites live in and quiet frankly I'm happy I'm not infected by whatever thoughts pass through their mind but the sheer amount of contradictions, hypocrisy, and logic is just absolutely destable.

It seems whatever is praised is complained and whatever is complained is praised. Its become a routine practice. Not only this but sometimes it just gets short sighted and it just becomes something that would mostly make the average person not even aware of gaming shake their head in disbelief.

If you read this far I know what you're thinking. BlackBond what are you talking about? Well let me explain.

First off it is absolutely idiotic and untruthful to think that PC gaming is dying. I mean seriously why the hell would anybody say, think or let alone even claim this lol. You have 360/PS3 struggling to match the Wii in sales and yet you don't see anybody claiming that they are dying. You don't see anyone looking at the PS3's success compared to the PS2 and claim oh Sony's Games Division is dying (those who stated this in the beginging were also untruthful). I mean to even think that that PC gaming is dying should get you a well deserved baseball bat across the front of your face. How people keep throwing opinion out there and acting like its fact is just laughable. I mean hell look at Valve and Blizzard. You tell them PC gaming is dying.

Next up is this whole HD crap. The thing that console gamers are always stressing and ironically there is a big chunk of the big named games that can't even reach 720P....Go figure. PC is considered irrelevant and too expensive. Yet these are the same people clinging to their "So Called" HD resolutions on the comfort of their couch. Absolutly mind boggling. Even funnier apparently you can't use headsets, controllers, HD TV's or your couch when you play on a PC. Must be incompatible with Windows software or something.

I have to watch Gears of War/Uncharted who has the best graphics threads since the release of Uncharted. Both sidees go on and on and on and on about who's the graphics King. Every multiplat release is painfully examined like judges looking at pictures for a modeling agency. But when Crysis is shown these same people get all upset then they whine and complain about how all PC gamers do is tout their graphics. Call me crazy but last I checked PC gamers don't put the Wii down for its graphics and unlike the 360/PS3 they don't constantly go back and forth like a Tennis match to the point where they actually need an offical thread for them.

Yeah and what also kills me is the argueing over games. Rather then let one's own individual opinion and tastes be taken into account we have the whole scores thing. Which really isn't a problem but I do find it laughable as when the PC comes into this all of a sudden its we don't care how many good scoring games there are. Wel um if you don't care then why spend all this time bragging about AA's, AAA's, a AAAA, a consoles lack of a AAAE and two platforms lack of a AAAA.

I've even been witness to the drunking hatorade that is PC installations. Yet on the flipside it doesn't seem to be a problem for people that own a console that could potentially have 20GB's of HDD space. Hell while I'm at it why not call people out for complaining about PC upgrading but they sure don't complain about suggestions of upgrading a HDD.

But this is what really gets me. The most absolute funniest thing I think there is. The thought that people feel Console gaming should be accepted as something thats not a toy. Now what reasons do people not want consoles to be referred to as toys? Ah yes so they can feel that their hobby is looked at more then something that is just another Man Toy and as a some sort of legitiment form of entertainment (whatever that means) But lets be serious. People really expect the general public to not view gaming as some kind of toy/game/play thing with the way the majority of us act? lol. I mean seriously there is a reason why most outside of gaming in society look at us like the lazy degenerates of the world and to be honest I'm glad that they do. Because quiet frankly I don't believe we deserve to be thought of anything better. Lets not even go to gaming as an art or a sport. Or hell even how PC gamers are apparently nerds with no lives yet that doesn't apply to those oh so cool console gamers.

This thought of Consoles not being toys is just a means of trying to bring justification about to ones hobby. Nobody says you have to like or dislike but the way its carried is just completly crazed at times.

Lastly I propose that their needs to be a faq about PC gaming or some sort of "Seeing Eye Hermit" program to help the people who continuosly walk into walls of PC gaming.

Typically a "Face" but this post is what it means to turn "Heel"

Now this topic isn't 100% factually based and there is tons of opinion in it. Likewise I expect a lot of you guys to be able to disect and disagree with it which should result in some interesting discussions. Bring your scalpals.

Indeed lol

My advice to you: Leave system wars.

No offense dude, but if it bothers you that much just leave. You are taking the internet too seriously.

My advice to you: Leave system wars.

No offense dude, but if it bothers you that much just leave. You are taking the internet too seriously.

Heydanbud92

Maybe I should just get Giant Neon arrow to point things out.

Come on its BlackBond. Me take something serious?

:lol:

Come on man its me lol. Have fun with this.

I've even been witness to the drunking hatorade that is PC installations. Yet on the flipside it doesn't seem to be a problem for people that own a console that could potentially have 20GB's of HDD space.

Blackbond

It's the opposite.

No one really complains about PC installs... but there were TONS of threads about PS3s manditory installs when Lost planet came out...

I agree with most of the points you made. PC gaming is not dying. Great games are released on the PC faster than the consoles. I myself owning a PC and loving the games on it think that there are some games on PC that can't be played on the consoles, this is the main reason why I love PC gaming. Games like Flight Simulator with all those controls would be a wreck on consoles. However consoles also offer unique experiences that you can't get on a PC. Thats why I own both. You can't play SMG on a PC and you cant play Flight Simulator on a console. That is why you should own both. And for those who say PC gaming is extremely expensive, did you ever come to notice to enjoy true HD you need an HDTV which have their own costs? (Pretty high ones at that). However I can't see me owning only a PC or only a console for gaming. Both are very enjoyable and have their benefits and limitations.

P.S. You make some long ass posts. :P

Whatever, I know PC gaming isn't dead, and I don't claim it is. And I don't claim it's dying ethier.

My views on which platform is better is this: Whatever floats your boat.

While PC gaming is superior to console gaming, I don't really care. I like my 360, Wii, and DS. I'll probebly upgrade my computer for DoW 2 and Starcraft 2, but I'm happy now with the games I have.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I've even been witness to the drunking hatorade that is PC installations. Yet on the flipside it doesn't seem to be a problem for people that own a console that could potentially have 20GB's of HDD space.

Heydanbud92

It's the opposite.

No one really complains about PC installs... but there were TONS of threads about PS3s manditory installs when Lost planet came out...

Yes this must be the main reason behind the claim of pop in and play phrase.

Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?subrosian

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

I've even been witness to the drunking hatorade that is PC installations. Yet on the flipside it doesn't seem to be a problem for people that own a console that could potentially have 20GB's of HDD space.

Blackbond

It's the opposite.

No one really complains about PC installs... but there were TONS of threads about PS3s manditory installs when Lost planet came out...

Yes this must be the main reason behind the claim of pop in and play phrase.

that's not the same as complaining though.

People were bashing the crap out of PS3 for having manditory install.

The pop in and play thing is just people saying they like to pop in and play...

No one BASHES the PC for it's installs of games.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?Blackbond

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

Not really, my console can store my photos, play my music, watch movies and TV shows on it. I can talk to people from across the world, and have friends. And even if you have a PS3 you can surf the internet, post videos on YouTube soon, and have a Second Life like program to interact with people in 3D and have parties with them from across the world.

Maybe you would call that a toy, but okay. Can't argue you out of it. But that's not my view.

[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

My advice to you: Leave system wars.

No offense dude, but if it bothers you that much just leave. You are taking the internet too seriously.

Blackbond

Maybe I should just get Giant Neon arrow to point things out.

Come on its BlackBond. Me take something serious?

:lol:

Come on man its me lol. Have fun with this.

I don't want to take this too seriously myself, but dude i doubt you were laughing the whole time you typed that. There's nothing really funny about it...

ANyways i dont really care it was just advice.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?millwrought

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

Not really, my console can store my photos, play my music, watch movies and TV shows on it. I can talk to people from across the world, and have friends. And even if you have a PS3 you can surf the internet, post videos on YouTube soon, and have a Second Life like program to interact with people in 3D and have parties with them from across the world.

Maybe you would call that a toy, but okay. Can't argue you out of it. But that's not my view.

gaming is still it's primary function though.

and BTW let's try to define "toy".

Is basketball a toy?

I think that by and large, Blackbond's post was a beautiful chunk of ownage that I will refer console propogandists and ignorant PC bashers to every time they spew their garbage.

But I disagree with one point: I do think video games should be taken more seriously. I feel that games are an art form and I don't want gaming to be robbed of legitimacy just because alot of people that play games are morons. Because after all, there's morons in all avenues of life.

I cant find fault with any of that, except maybe the toy bit.

But on the other hand I do agree with it, Gaming has led me to computers aswell as consoles, I can now build PC's, have a *decent* understanding of how HArdware and Software development works, I can now pretty much design in all industry formats.

PC as a whole is the biggest creative market of all, while your just playing games on consoles on a sofa, thinking your cool because your drinking beer :roll:, in my "Gaming Time", yes not my "I have no social life because apperently I cant as a PC Gamer" I learn a hell of alot more about alot of things, which in the end is worth a ton more than your instant gratification for repeatadly killing soemone online or LAN and thinking your awesome.

I had to pitch that out there, Consoles are alot closer to toys, but then this is my personal experiance, many PC gamers are probably only interested in the playing of games, but the potential there far surpasses that.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]

My advice to you: Leave system wars.

No offense dude, but if it bothers you that much just leave. You are taking the internet too seriously.

Heydanbud92

Maybe I should just get Giant Neon arrow to point things out.

Come on its BlackBond. Me take something serious?

:lol:

Come on man its me lol. Have fun with this.

I don't want to take this too seriously myself, but dude i doubt you were laughing the whole time you typed that. There's nothing really funny about it...

ANyways i dont really care it was just advice.

Shall I forward you my iRC logs of discussing this with Jandurin and Subrosian lol

[QUOTE="millwrought"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?Heydanbud92

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

Not really, my console can store my photos, play my music, watch movies and TV shows on it. I can talk to people from across the world, and have friends. And even if you have a PS3 you can surf the internet, post videos on YouTube soon, and have a Second Life like program to interact with people in 3D and have parties with them from across the world.

Maybe you would call that a toy, but okay. Can't argue you out of it. But that's not my view.

gaming is still it's primary function though.

and BTW let's try to define "toy".

Is basketball a toy?

subrosian also said 'Gaming PC', not 'PC that also plays games.'. I think he ment a computer built around playing games, so wouldn't gaming be its primary function as well?

toy (toi) n.1. An object for children to play with. 2. Something of little importance; a trifle. 3. An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy. 4. A small ornament; a bauble. 5. A diminutive thing or person.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?millwrought

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

Not really, my console can store my photos, play my music, watch movies and TV shows on it. I can talk to people from across the world, and have friends. And even if you have a PS3 you can surf the internet, post videos on YouTube soon, and have a Second Life like program to interact with people in 3D and have parties with them from across the world.

Maybe you would call that a toy, but okay. Can't argue you out of it. But that's not my view.

Consoles can do lots of things but its primary function it to play games. Nobody would be a console if they didn't plan on playing games.

I think that by and large, Blackbond's post was a beautiful chunk of ownage that I will refer console propogandists and ignoran PC bashers to every time they spew their garbage.

But I disagree with one point: I do think video games should be taken more seriously. I feel that games are an art form and I don't want gaming to be robbed of legitimacy just because alot of people that play games are morons. Because after all, there's morons in all avenues of life.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Yea, that too. I had a great laugh when I first met my girlfriend and she found I was a hardcore gamer, I love to argue, she made it so easy :) ( Nothing serious, like I do on here, but you get the point ) . Now she plays quite a few, and bought her own Wii ... not much but its a start.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?Blackbond

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

I think that by and large, Blackbond's post was a beautiful chunk of ownage that I will refer console propogandists and ignorant PC bashers to every time they spew their garbage.

But I disagree with one point: I do think video games should be taken more seriously. I feel that games are an art form and I don't want gaming to be robbed of legitimacy just because alot of people that play games are morons. Because after all, there's morons in all avenues of life.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Sadly that is pretty much what is happening and I'm not just talking about the gamers its people like Jack Thompson as well.

I agreed with you right up until the toy part. Classifying gaming as a toy is a ridiculous notion, it's like saying DVD's are toys, it's a form of digital entertainment, and that's how it should be classified, there is the games console, which is like the dvd player, the VHS player, the CD player, then you get the games which are just like DVD's and CD's. I don't do it because I want to protect my hobby, I couldn't give a **** what anyone thinks about gaming it's just stupid to make statements like those, that gaming consoles are toys, well theres a hell of a lot more machinery in that toy, and more effort has gone in to making it than any other toy if that is the case.bobbetybob

You don't play with DVD's you watch them. You play with video games. DVD's aren't games video games are just that Games. Its not stupid its the truth. Effort and machinary has nothing to do with it. Its all about the primary function and that is playing "GAMES"

[QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

I think that by and large, Blackbond's post was a beautiful chunk of ownage that I will refer console propogandists and ignorant PC bashers to every time they spew their garbage.

But I disagree with one point: I do think video games should be taken more seriously. I feel that games are an art form and I don't want gaming to be robbed of legitimacy just because alot of people that play games are morons. Because after all, there's morons in all avenues of life.

Blackbond

Sadly that is pretty much what is happening and I'm not just talking about the gamers its people like Jack Thompson as well.

Yeah, the media is the biggest culprit IMO. Especially how they portray gamers as if we're not a diverse group of people with a diverse group of interests. They just hone in on the some of the dumb asses that don't leave their couch or do anything else.

I mean, I read books and watch movies as well and I think video games are just as meaningful way to tell a story or create a fictional experience.

I have to agree that PC's are much more than a gaming machine. Whoever thinks otherwise is simply on crack. Although, I think the 360 is more of a toy than the PS3 and the Wii is the ultimate in a gaming "toy".

Blackbond, answer this question if you wish:

Look at the evolution of consoles from one to the other. Would you think console are heading more towards the PC? Look at the PS3 for example. You can partition the hard drive, install Linux on the PS3 and network them together to be one large dedicated server (Incognito does that for the Warhark dedicated servers.) So is the PS3 less of a toy than all other consoles or does it fall into the same category because it's just a console despite having all those features I just mentioned that could be accomplished on the PC?

certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"crunchUK

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

I have to agree that PC's are much more than a gaming machine. Whoever thinks otherwise is simply on crack. Although, I think the 360 is more of a toy than the PS3 and the Wii is the ultimate in a gaming "toy".

Blackbond, answer this question if you wish:

Look at the evolution of consoles from one to the other. Would you think console are heading more towards the PC? Look at the PS3 for example. You can partition the hard drive, install Linux on the PS3 and network them together to be one large dedicated server (Incognito does that for the Warhark dedicated servers.) So is the PS3 less of a toy than all other consoles or does it fall into the same category because it's just a console despite having all those features I just mentioned that could be accomplished on the PC?

dream431ca

Its primary function is to play games. Games are toys. Nobody buys a console if they aren't interested in games. Its merely a toy that can do a host of other things but its primary design is as a toy. Whether its more or less of a toy then the others is anyone's opinion. But more or less of a toy is still a toy.

On a side note I'm glad this thread is remaining civil. Lets keep it up.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="Tragic_Kingdom7"]

I think that by and large, Blackbond's post was a beautiful chunk of ownage that I will refer console propogandists and ignorant PC bashers to every time they spew their garbage.

But I disagree with one point: I do think video games should be taken more seriously. I feel that games are an art form and I don't want gaming to be robbed of legitimacy just because alot of people that play games are morons. Because after all, there's morons in all avenues of life.

Tragic_Kingdom7

Sadly that is pretty much what is happening and I'm not just talking about the gamers its people like Jack Thompson as well.

Yeah, the media is the biggest culprit IMO. Especially how they portray gamers as if we're not a diverse group of people with a diverse group of interests. They just hone in on the some of the dumb asses that don't leave their couch or do anything else.

I mean, I read books and watch movies as well and I think video games are just as meaningful way to tell a story or create a fictional experience.

I find games to be a step above movies and books and such. How so? People pan games all the time, but remember when you were 7, and you hated reading and such? Your parents/grandparents/teachers/whatevers would say "Reading is magical, it can take you to all types of exciting places, blah blah blah." But often times, you're not taken to exciting places, you're just looking at somebody else in exciting places. Video games actually make you feel like you're the person in those exciting places. The only books that do that are the choose your own adventure kind, and has anybody ever read a serious book that was a choose your own adventure? Often times, they're R. L. Stine books or other crap like that.

dude games can be a toy or something more mature!! depends on the content of the game. so I don;t understand your point!

also where I come from I've never seen anyone look down on gamers!! it'sjust another form of entertainment! in fact it's a form that brings,music,movie reading and interaction allin to one!! the ULTIMATE ENTERTAINMENT!! XD

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?millwrought

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

subrosian also said 'Gaming PC', not 'PC that also plays games.'. I think he ment a computer built around playing games, so wouldn't gaming be its primary function as well?

toy (toi) n.1. An object for children to play with. 2. Something of little importance; a trifle. 3. An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy. 4. A small ornament; a bauble. 5. A diminutive thing or person.

The word "toy" is a bit odd here - since it's used most often in a pejorative sense to refer to gaming. It's certainly not entirely accurate either - if we define a "toy" by its purpose, then a system like the PS3 might be something different for everyone in the family. For Susie it's an appliance she uses to watch movies - for Timmy it's a "toy" he plays games on, and for Sarah it's a decoration that she only touches when it's time to dust...

A Gaming PC faces much the same problem - if Bob only games on it - and Susie only uses it to do taxes, what is it?

[QUOTE="millwrought"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"][QUOTE="millwrought"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]Consoles are "toys" yet gaming PC's aren't?subrosian

PC's primary function isn't gaming while a consoles is. That's pretty much the only reason. I mean a business use PC's (or Macs) not consoles to do their things. It can more or less be described as a tool at this point.

Not really, my console can store my photos, play my music, watch movies and TV shows on it. I can talk to people from across the world, and have friends. And even if you have a PS3 you can surf the internet, post videos on YouTube soon, and have a Second Life like program to interact with people in 3D and have parties with them from across the world.

Maybe you would call that a toy, but okay. Can't argue you out of it. But that's not my view.

gaming is still it's primary function though.

and BTW let's try to define "toy".

Is basketball a toy?

subrosian also said 'Gaming PC', not 'PC that also plays games.'. I think he ment a computer built around playing games, so wouldn't gaming be its primary function as well?

toy (toi) n.1. An object for children to play with. 2. Something of little importance; a trifle. 3. An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy. 4. A small ornament; a bauble. 5. A diminutive thing or person.

The word "toy" is a bit odd here - since it's used most often in a pejorative sense to refer to gaming. It's certainly not entirely accurate either - if we define a "toy" by its purpose, then a system like the PS3 might be something different for everyone in the family. For Susie it's an appliance she uses to watch movies - for Timmy it's a "toy" he plays games on, and for Sarah it's a decoration that she only touches when it's time to dust...

A Gaming PC faces much the same problem - if Bob only games on it - and Susie only uses it to do taxes, what is it?

Its what ever Bob says it is because Im sexist... :evil:

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

I have to agree that PC's are much more than a gaming machine. Whoever thinks otherwise is simply on crack. Although, I think the 360 is more of a toy than the PS3 and the Wii is the ultimate in a gaming "toy".

Blackbond, answer this question if you wish:

Look at the evolution of consoles from one to the other. Would you think console are heading more towards the PC? Look at the PS3 for example. You can partition the hard drive, install Linux on the PS3 and network them together to be one large dedicated server (Incognito does that for the Warhark dedicated servers.) So is the PS3 less of a toy than all other consoles or does it fall into the same category because it's just a console despite having all those features I just mentioned that could be accomplished on the PC?

Blackbond

Its primary function is to play games. Games are toys. Nobody buys a console if they aren't interested in games. Its merely a toy that can do a host of other things but its primary design is as a toy. Whether its more or less of a toy then the others is anyone's opinion. But more or less of a toy is still a toy.

On a side note I'm glad this thread is remaining civil. Lets keep it up.

Ok, but look at PC's today, what is their primary function? (lets talk about home PC's. It wouldn't be fair to talk about PC's used for busniess because people don't use consoles for business purposes like word processing.) PC's can be used for all kinds of things, but the average person who owns one at home probably doesn't do a lot of word processing on it. I can do research on my PC but I can also do research on my PS3. The PS3 has an internet browser so why not? My PC can play movies so can the PS3 and 360. It's easier to install a hard drive on the PS3 than it is on the 360, while people who own a PC probably have done so already.

I'm talking mainly about the hardware aspects but also a little on the software side. So the PS3 is still primarily a gaming machine but is much more of a PC than any other console.

I find games to be a step above movies and books and such. How so? People pan games all the time, but remember when you were 7, and you hated reading and such? Your parents/grandparents/teachers/whatevers would say "Reading is magical, it can take you to all types of exciting places, blah blah blah." But often times, you're not taken to exciting places, you're just looking at somebody else in exciting places. Video games actually make you feel like you're the person in those exciting places. The only books that do that are the choose your own adventure kind, and has anybody ever read a serious book that was a choose your own adventure? Often times, they're R. L. Stine books or other crap like that.Video_Game_King

I would hesitate to put games on a higher pedastal because I've been impacted by all 3 mediums of entertainment, but I would say that the roleplaying aspect of video games are an important differentiating factor.

dude games can be a toy or something more mature!! depends on the content of the game. so I don;t understand your point!

also where I come from I've never seen anyone look down on gamers!! it'sjust another form of entertainment! in fact it's a form that brings,music,movie reading and interaction allin to one!! the ULTIMATE ENTERTAINMENT!! XD

Great_Ragnarok

Where do you come from. You have me interested.

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"Blackbond

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

uh no. suddenly consoles are inevitably toys and the PC isn't just because you say so. um what say again?

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"crunchUK

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

uh no. suddenly consoles are inevitably toys and the PC isn't just because you say so. um what say again?

Yes because toys are used in businesses all around the world right? The grand scheme of Computers is not used for gaming. Why would someone buy a console not to game?

Do you really refer to yourself in the third person?

Oh, and the reason there is so much stir is because the actual devs are saying this too. No one on here made that crap up. PC gaming has lost it's footing. People get sick of playing CSS and WoW all the time. Consoles are more and more becoming the norm and very appealing, you must admit. There are other factors like piracy, but that's hard to prove.

These developers/producers have sales charts that look at potential sales if everyone that owned capable equipment bought all of their games or not. If a million people bought capable graphics cards right around the time Crysis came out and only 250,000 bought Crisis, thats a pretty big discrepancy. Like I said, it's not easy to pinpoint, but the figures are there. Piracy IS more acceptable on PC. You have to jump through more hoops on consoles and most people would rather not.

Do you really refer to yourself in the third person?

New-Gamer

Do not confuse me with my real life counter part other personality :|

[QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"Blackbond

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

uh no. suddenly consoles are inevitably toys and the PC isn't just because you say so. um what say again?

Yes because toys are used in businesses all around the world right? The grand scheme of Computers is not used for gaming. Why would someone buy a console not to game?

I gave you the definition of "toy" why are you making one up?... anything can be used as a toy it could be an activity or object.

[QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"Blackbond

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

uh no. suddenly consoles are inevitably toys and the PC isn't just because you say so. um what say again?

Yes because toys are used in businesses all around the world right? The grand scheme of Computers is not used for gaming. Why would someone buy a console not to game?

i belive someone posted the definition of toy. read it again

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="crunchUK"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

[QUOTE="crunchUK"]certain things you said were full of win, others were full of fail. basically your main fail was ending each point with "the PC on the other hand is teh megaton". which is very annoying it makes you seem like an average cocky hermit going "oh u p00r consolites"sadikovic

So your issue is with the status of the PC rather then the actual arguement. If it makes you feel better I don't even own a decent gaming PC.

uh no. suddenly consoles are inevitably toys and the PC isn't just because you say so. um what say again?

Yes because toys are used in businesses all around the world right? The grand scheme of Computers is not used for gaming. Why would someone buy a console not to game?

I gave you the definition of "toy" why are you making one up?... anything can be used as a toy it could be an activity or object.

[QUOTE="New-Gamer"]

Do you really refer to yourself in the third person?

Blackbond

Do not confuse me with my real life counter part other personality :|

Do you have a response to my post TC?

I gave you the definition of "toy" why are you making one up?... anything can be used as a toy it could be an activity or object.

sadikovic

But the main use of a PC is not gaming while the main use of a Console is gaming. There isn't a way around it. Nobody is going to buy a console if they don't plan on gaming.

The amount of Gaming PC's aren't even a number compared to the ones that aren't used for gaming.