LOL, Square Enix tell us on their website, that they are a mediocre company??

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#1 cloud3601
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Square Enix claimed in its company philosophy "Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements". Couldn't agree more !

http://www.square-enix.com/eng/company/philosophy.html

Now i ask the question: Is Square Enix a mediocre company, which doesnt put much dedication into their games? Since one would argue that most of their new games have been mediocre

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Square Enix said in its company philosophy "Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements". Couldn't agree more !

http://www.square-enix.com/eng/company/philosophy.html

Now i ask the question: Is Square Enix a mediocre company, which doesnt put much dedication into their games?

cloud3601

Square-Enix is medicore Squaresoft is awesome.

Edit: On second thoughts, no. They arent Mediocre, I just dislike the new final fantasy games.

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#3 Badosh
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Yep, they clearly said that about themselves. Seriously, nobody is even trying anymore.
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I admit it: Life is far more entertaining when one's reading comprehension is basically nonexistent. I am, in fact, kind of jealous of people like cloud3601.

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#5 finalstar2007
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I have yet to see a single bad game from square enix so they been and are and will always be awesome. love their games and all their games.

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#6 simomate
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By the way, didnt say this is in my first post but I think you misunderstood what they said. They didnt say that they have mediocre dedication, they simply said that it would lead to mediocre achievements and therefore they strive NOT to be mediocre.
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#7 cloud3601
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By the way, didnt say this is in my first post but I think you misunderstood what they said. They didnt say that they have mediocre dedication, they simply said that it would lead to mediocre achievements and therefore they strive NOT to be mediocre.simomate
but their games are mediocre e.g FF13, Mind Jack.

Hence they must have put medicore dedication into them by their own words?

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if Nomuras team leaves, they are dead

but he is still there, so SE are still top tier

hurry up Versus 13

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#9 simomate
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[QUOTE="simomate"]By the way, didnt say this is in my first post but I think you misunderstood what they said. They didnt say that they have mediocre dedication, they simply said that it would lead to mediocre achievements and therefore they strive NOT to be mediocre.cloud3601

but their games are mediocre e.g FF13, Mind Jack.

Hence they must have put medicore dedication into them by their own words?

I havent played Mindjack so I cant judge that but although FF13 was no fun, you cant exactly say it was mediocre. But I'm not arguing your point that the company is mediocre, but your misconception of what they said (or rather your twisting of it) Regardless of wether its mediocre or not, it doesnt change what they said in their philosphy, which wasn't that they are medicore, its that they SHOULDN'T be.

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#10 cloud3601
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[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

[QUOTE="simomate"]By the way, didnt say this is in my first post but I think you misunderstood what they said. They didnt say that they have mediocre dedication, they simply said that it would lead to mediocre achievements and therefore they strive NOT to be mediocre.simomate

but their games are mediocre e.g FF13, Mind Jack.

Hence they must have put medicore dedication into them by their own words?

I havent played Mindjack so I cant judge that but although FF13 was no fun, you cant exactly say it was mediocre. But I'm not arguing your point that the company is mediocre, but your misconception of what they said (or rather your twisting of it) Regardless of wether its mediocre or not, it doesnt change what they said in their philosphy, which wasn't that they are medicore, its that they SHOULDN'T be.

They set standards for themselves which they didnt even meet.

They didnt follow their own phipsohophy to make them NOT medicore (since they made many bad games). Hence they are medicore

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Square Enix have kill the FF games.
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#12 cloud3601
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Square Enix have kill the FF games.AtariKidX
No, they just need to make epic FF games.

Good story, they just need to make FF turnbased again.

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The 1st step is stating you have a problem

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> doesn't understand a saying > make a topic to show the world how stupid you are.
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#15 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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So I hear you have a problem with Square.
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#16 SaintWalrus
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Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

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#17 josephl64
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square enix is a fine company...they should however stop making MMOs and stick to their other games

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#18 simomate
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They didnt follow their own phipsohophy to make them NOT medicore (since they made many bad games). Hence they are medicore

cloud3601

Make a new thread, now your just changing topic. In this, you've proven how stupid you are with your misconception. Time for you to delete this, and thus all traces of your stupidity and fix it. Remove the philosphy, simply say why you believe it is mediocre. Oh, and the new thread better have proper information because I think the majority of us get it. We've seen a thousand threads repeating the same thing over and over again.

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[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

Square Enix said in its company philosophy "Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements". Couldn't agree more !

http://www.square-enix.com/eng/company/philosophy.html

Now i ask the question: Is Square Enix a mediocre company, which doesnt put much dedication into their games?

simomate

Square-Enix is medicore Squaresoft is awesome.

Edit: On second thoughts, no. They arent Mediocre, I just dislike the new final fantasy games.

Err yeah. 80% of Square Enix is made up of Square Soft. 20% from Enix Corporation. By your logic, that 20% overturned the culture of a company which made up 80% of the current one. People just like pointing fingers.

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#20 simomate
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Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

SaintWalrus

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

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#21 simomate
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Err yeah. 80% of Square Enix is made up of Square Soft. 20% from Enix Corporation. By your logic, that 20% overturned the culture of a company which made up 80% of the current one. People just like pointing fingers.

jhcho2

Lol the new final fantasy games, I dislike. I'm just saying I disliked the games that came after it became Square Enix xD

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#22 jhcho2
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You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

simomate

It's a picture. Impressiveness based on pictures now?

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#23 simomate
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[QUOTE="simomate"]

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

jhcho2

It's a picture. Impressiveness based on pictures now?

In game, Final Fantasy 13s graphics is also impressive.

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Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

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Shrugs, never had a problem with Vanille.
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#25 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

[QUOTE="simomate"]

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

simomate

It's a picture. Impressiveness based on pictures now?

In game, Final Fantasy 13s graphics is also impressive.

nah

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#26 SaintWalrus
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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

simomate

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

I can't deny those thighs either :(

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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

simomate

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

nonono, XIII was great.

but good god i just want vanille to die. she never. shuts. up.

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[QUOTE="simomate"]

[QUOTE="jhcho2"]

It's a picture. Impressiveness based on pictures now?

HaloinventedFPS

In game, Final Fantasy 13s graphics is also impressive.

nah

lol emulator VS low quality pre-release shots.

and the latter still wins.

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#29 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

[QUOTE="simomate"] In game, Final Fantasy 13s graphics is also impressive.

BrunoBRS

nah

lol emulator VS low quality pre-release shots.

and the latter still wins.

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

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#30 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

nah

HaloinventedFPS

lol emulator VS low quality pre-release shots.

and the latter still wins.

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

if it makes you sleep at night, sure.
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#31 tjricardo089
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I think they say this as if:

«Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre acomplishments, and as our games aren't mediocre then we aren't aswell»

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#32 Tikeio
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thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

HaloinventedFPS

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

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#33 ceelogic
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The western devs are just too mighty and square enix know they fight a losing battle...and yes I know dark souls is eastern.

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#34 ceelogic
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.
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#35 nini200
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[QUOTE="simomate"]

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]but their games are mediocre e.g FF13, Mind Jack.

Hence they must have put medicore dedication into them by their own words?

cloud3601

I havent played Mindjack so I cant judge that but although FF13 was no fun, you cant exactly say it was mediocre. But I'm not arguing your point that the company is mediocre, but your misconception of what they said (or rather your twisting of it) Regardless of wether its mediocre or not, it doesnt change what they said in their philosphy, which wasn't that they are medicore, its that they SHOULDN'T be.

They set standards for themselves which they didnt even meet.

They didnt follow their own phipsohophy to make them NOT medicore (since they made many bad games). Hence they are medicore

I have never in my life seen the word Philosophy jacked up in so many ways in my entire life. :shock:
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#36 BrunoBRS
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

ceelogic

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.

and even then XIII beats it down in graphics by far. you can hate the game all you want, but calling it ugly is just wrong.

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#37 n00bkid
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All they really need to do is bring back Kingdom Hearts 3, then they will be superior once again. Enough with this final fantasy crap.
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#38 nini200
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Vanille sounds EXACTLY like my kind of character. :D But it's gonna be hard to come between what me and Tifa got. :D
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#39 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

Tikeio

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

FF12 wishes it actually looked like that.

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#40 soulitane
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[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

nah

HaloinventedFPS

lol emulator VS low quality pre-release shots.

and the latter still wins.

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

Apart from it doesn't look anything like that picture you posted.
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Vanille sounds EXACTLY like my kind of character. :D But it's gonna be hard to come between what me and Tifa got. :Dnini200
obnoxious, high pitched, loud, never shuts up?
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#42 Shadowchronicle
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All they really need to do is bring back Kingdom Hearts 3, then they will be superior once again. Enough with this final fantasy crap.n00bkid
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#43 Tikeio
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Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.ceelogic

No s**t, Sherlock. :|

The entire point was to compare high quality FFXII shots from PCSX2 to high quality shots of FFXIII in native resolution.

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#44 Jag85
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Square Enix claimed in its company philosophy "Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements". Couldn't agree more !

http://www.square-enix.com/eng/company/philosophy.html

Now i ask the question: Is Square Enix a mediocre company, which doesnt put much dedication into their games?

cloud3601


Your reading comprehension is mediocre... Actually, no, your reading of that sentence is nothing less than a complete failure in logic...

Just because "Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements", that does not mean lots of effort and dedication cannot result in a "mediocre achievement", or as the saying goes, "hard work does not guarantee success." Just because they ended up with a mediocre product at the end, that does not mean they did not put a lot of effort and dedication into creating it (or in FFXIII's case, five years worth of effort).

By the way, here's the full quote:

2. Creativity and Innovation

To attain and maintain new standards of value, there are questions we must ask ourselves: Is this creative? Is this innovative?
Mediocre dedication can only result in mediocre achievements. Simply being content with the status quo can only lead to a collapse into oblivion. To prevent this from occurring and to avoid complacency, we must continue asking ourselves the aforementioned questions.Square Enix

All it's saying is that they should be willing to take risks and try out new creative ideas and innovations instead of repeating the same formula again and again, which is exactly what they've been doing ever since the company was first founded. What set apart Final Fantasy from most of its peers was its willingness to innovate with each new entry in the series.

In fact, the very reason they ended up with a "mediocre" product like FF XIII is precisely because they took a risk in trying out something different, but their very attempt at innovation is what led to the backlash against their product, in much the same way there was a backlash against FF XII precisely because it was too innovative for its own good. It's clear a lot of hard work and dedication went into both of those products (five years each for FF XII and FF XIII), but when you take risks like those games did, then there's always the chance of a backlash.

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#45 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

Ladies and gentlemen...

The Jar Jar Binks of Final Fantasy

simomate

You cant deny how graphically impressive that is :)

Agreed. :)

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#46 HaloinventedFPS
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[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

thats how FF13 looks in game, low res textures everywhere

Tikeio

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

wow, 12 looks better

13 is a terrible game anyway, most likely the worst game ever made, makes FF12 look like a masterpiece

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#47 ceelogic
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[QUOTE="ceelogic"][QUOTE="Tikeio"]

No, this is how both games look:

You must have a s**tty monitor or something if you didn't notice that the pictures you posted were low-quality shots full of noise and artifacts.

That's not a true representation of a game's graphics.

BrunoBRS

Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.

and even then XIII beats it down in graphics by far. you can hate the game all you want, but calling it ugly is just wrong.

Duh... thats the way sequels work. Graphics get better and sometimes the gameplay. I was just pointing out that those or not ps2 original.

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#48 ceelogic
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[QUOTE="ceelogic"]Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.Tikeio

No s**t, Sherlock. :|

The entire point was to compare high quality FFXII shots from PCSX2 to high quality shots of FFXIII in native resolution.

Hey not everyone would know this butt munch

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#49 Tikeio
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[QUOTE="Tikeio"]

[QUOTE="ceelogic"]Those ff12 shot are from an emulator with the rez turned up.ceelogic

No s**t, Sherlock. :|

The entire point was to compare high quality FFXII shots from PCSX2 to high quality shots of FFXIII in native resolution.

Hey not everyone would know this butt munch

Yeah, because everyone knows the PS2 was capable of 1080p, high levels of AF and high levels of AA. :roll:

"Butt munch," really? What are you, 12 years old? You insulted your own intelligence by making an asinine remark, not me.

No need for middle school-esque insults. That just makes you look immature, especially when you respond that way to posts that aren't in your favor.

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#50 waltefmoney
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What is with your obsession with making Square Enix look bad?