Lossless 7.1 Audio coming to 360 and Wii. Prototype will be the first to use it.

Every since the PS3 launched, one advantage it's had over the compitition is 7.1 surround sound Audio. Now, DTS Neural Surround Sound Technology will enable the Xbox 360 and the Wii to output lossless 7.1 Audio aswell. The technology also works on the PS3 and PC.

It looks like the technology will convert 5.1 to true 7.1 surround sound.

The first game to use it will be Prototype.

Interesting. Seems kinda pointless though considering the fact that 5.1 sound systems outnumber 7.1 by far far far.

Every since the PS3 launched, one advantage it's had over the compitition is 7.1 surround sound Audio. Now, DTS Neural Surround Sound Technology will enable the Xbox 360 and the Wii to output lossless 7.1 Audio aswell. The technology also works on the PS3 and PC.

It looks like the technology will convert 5.1 to true 7.1 surround sound.

The first game to use it will be Prototype.

HaloFan77

All it does is convert 5.1 to 7.1. It claims to output Lossless Quality sound. It does not output lossless sound. A nice option, but will not be taken advantage of.

I don't really understand this. If the track isn't lossless then how can it be considered lossless audio? It's just outputting to a 7.1 system via this technology. Maybe I'm missing something.

I don't really understand this. If the track isn't lossless then how can it be considered lossless audio? It's just outputting to a 7.1 system via this technology. Maybe I'm missing something.

Tiefster

too bad prototype isn't on wii.

[QUOTE="Tiefster"]

I don't really understand this. If the track isn't lossless then how can it be considered lossless audio? It's just outputting to a 7.1 system via this technology. Maybe I'm missing something.

II_Seraphim_II

Think of it like upconverting a dvd. Its the same basic premise. DTS neural surround is taking your 5.1 audio, and expanding it to 7.1, while filtering, cleaning, reassembling(whatever you want to call it) the audio for a more crisp sound.

Edit: also, if you read the article, it claims Lossless quality. Its not actually lossless audio. Its just making the claim that it compares.

Sounds cool, but I'm fine with the sound system I have right now.

P.S.: Prototype looks awesome :D

I don't really understand this. If the track isn't lossless then how can it be considered lossless audio? It's just outputting to a 7.1 system via this technology. Maybe I'm missing something.

Tiefster

It's not technically lossless, but it has the ability to be similar to lossless sound. Taking a 5.1 signal and converting to 7.1 is just like upconversion really.

I should add, DTS neural surround has been around for a while. Its nothing new. Dolby Digital EX is the same thing. And even if they apply it to videogames, you still need a compatible 7.1 receiver to take advantage. Lossless audio receivers are not expensive.

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, is one of, if not the only game to have 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

It's the same concept as upconversion. You can take a 480p DVD and upconvert it to 1080p but that doesnt mean its anywhere close to the same quality as a blu ray 1080p native movie. Anyway I disagree with the article. It's one advantage that it has over its competition is not lossless audio but the fact that you have a built in Blu ray Player that plays HD Video and HD sound out of the box. No other system can claim that and just because other systems can upconvert 480p to 1080p and 5.1 to 7.1 does not mean its the same quality as a standard blu ray player with native 1080p and 7.1.Javy03

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, on of, if not the only game to have native 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

RStar9

There's nothing to justify owning one yet, eventually we'll end up moving that way, much like we moved up from stereo speakers. 5.1 is great for now though.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="Tiefster"]

I don't really understand this. If the track isn't lossless then how can it be considered lossless audio? It's just outputting to a 7.1 system via this technology. Maybe I'm missing something.

ArcticWolf77

Think of it like upconverting a dvd. Its the same basic premise. DTS neural surround is taking your 5.1 audio, and expanding it to 7.1, while filtering, cleaning, reassembling(whatever you want to call it) the audio for a more crisp sound.

Edit: also, if you read the article, it claims Lossless quality. Its not actually lossless audio. Its just making the claim that it compares.

[QUOTE="RStar9"]

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, on of, if not the only game to have native 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

lundy86_4

There's nothing to justify owning one yet, eventually we'll end up moving that way, much like we moved up from stereo speakers. 5.1 is great for now though.

I have no doubt we'll move forward again one day, like moving from SD to HD. I highly doubt it will be the jump for 5.1 to 7.1 though. Im seeing a lot more 5.1 theaters showing up in peoples homes, mainly because of the theater in a box. But thats what got me started. A cheap free theater in a box that came free with my first expensive TV. Even with a bottom of the barrel theater in a box, it was night and day over using your TV's speakers. I fell in love.

It has turned into an expensive addiction.

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, is one of, if not the only game to have 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

RStar9

I agree, most rooms aren't even big enough for 7.1 or greater. I bought an Onkyo 7.1 receiver, and I have it hooked up as a 5.1. It would br great to have a huge theater room, with lots of speakers, but most of us don't. Many gamers dont have HD yet, let alone surround sound.

[QUOTE="ArcticWolf77"]

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] Im confused too... Anyone wanna hit us with some knowledge?Tiefster

Think of it like upconverting a dvd. Its the same basic premise. DTS neural surround is taking your 5.1 audio, and expanding it to 7.1, while filtering, cleaning, reassembling(whatever you want to call it) the audio for a more crisp sound.

Edit: also, if you read the article, it claims Lossless quality. Its not actually lossless audio. Its just making the claim that it compares.

Its all just another form of upconverting. Its not real lossless or real 7.1. All simulated. May sound good, but lossless will always be better

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="RStar9"]

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, on of, if not the only game to have native 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

RStar9

There's nothing to justify owning one yet, eventually we'll end up moving that way, much like we moved up from stereo speakers. 5.1 is great for now though.

I have no doubt we'll move forward again one day, like moving from SD to HD. I highly doubt it will be the jump for 5.1 to 7.1 though. Im seeing a lot more 5.1 theaters showing up in peoples homes, mainly because of the theater in a box. But thats what got me started. A cheap free theater in a box that came free with my first expensive TV. Even with a bottom of the barrel theater in a box, it was night and day over using your TV's speakers. I fell in love.

It has turned into an expensive addiction.

haha I know just what you mean. When I get my new place i'm looking at investing into a solid 5.1 set that i'll pice together myself. It's the awesome cakes

[QUOTE="RStar9"]

Who the hell cares? Does anyone want to sit here and lie and say they run a nice 7.1 rig? I can see maybe a theater in the box one, but nothing top of the line. Im running a 5.1 system thats worth a few thousand, and I don't see the point of getting 2 more speakers so I can enjoy Lair, which is to my knowledge, is one of, if not the only game to have 7.1 surround in a PS3 game.

There is also 9.1, 11.2 ect. None of which will ever get relevant support to justify having anything over a 5.1 system.

ArcticWolf77

I agree, most rooms aren't even big enough for 7.1 or greater. I bought an Onkyo 7.1 receiver, and I have it hooked up as a 5.1. It would br great to have a huge theater room, with lots of speakers, but most of us don't. Many gamers dont have HD yet, let alone surround sound.

Yea, mine Harman Kardon is a 7.1 as well, but I highly doubt Ill ever use it for anything over 5.1

old. and it is not DTS-MA. true HD sound is only possible via HDMI, and neither 360 or Wii transfers sound via HDMI, only via optical. this is just 'fake' 7.1 sound.MightyMuna

Well, 360 does transfer sound via HDMI. It does Dolby Digital 5.1, Dolby Stereo, and PCM 2.1 via HDMI. Also does DTS at 1.5mb through HDMI

old. and it is not DTS-MA. true HD sound is only possible via HDMI, and neither 360 or Wii transfers sound via HDMI, only via optical. this is just 'fake' 7.1 sound.MightyMuna

[QUOTE="MightyMuna"]old. and it is not DTS-MA. true HD sound is only possible via HDMI, and neither 360 or Wii transfers sound via HDMI, only via optical. this is just 'fake' 7.1 sound.II_Seraphim_II

The .1 stands for the subwoofer

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="MightyMuna"]old. and it is not DTS-MA. true HD sound is only possible via HDMI, and neither 360 or Wii transfers sound via HDMI, only via optical. this is just 'fake' 7.1 sound.lundy86_4

The .1 stands for the subwoofer

Interesting. Seems kinda pointless though considering the fact that 5.1 sound systems outnumber 7.1 by far far far.

lundy86_4

P.S: 360 outputs sound via HDMI and it is capable of DTS HD and Dolby HD.

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

McdonaIdsGuy

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Interesting. Seems kinda pointless though considering the fact that 5.1 sound systems outnumber 7.1 by far far far.

P.S: 360 outputs sound via HDMI and it is capable of DTS HD and Dolby HD.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"][QUOTE="MightyMuna"]old. and it is not DTS-MA. true HD sound is only possible via HDMI, and neither 360 or Wii transfers sound via HDMI, only via optical. this is just 'fake' 7.1 sound.lundy86_4

The .1 stands for the subwoofer

there's more to it than that. the reason it's called ".1" is because it outputs a limited frequency. example, your average speaker outputs a frequency range of 20Hz to 20kHz (or 20Hz to 20,000Hz). subwoofers only emit sound in the lower frequency spectrum, from 3Hz to 200Hz depending on the maker and model. subwoofers output less than 1/10 of the frequency of a standard speaker that is used for the rest of the home theatre package.

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"] In all honesty does it matter? In my parents family room they have 7.1 surround sound, but I rarely ever use it. Im still fine with the classic 2.1 Stereo speaker set up :P Does anyone know why its always x.1 and not x.0? For instance, why is it 7.1 rather than 7.0?cowgriller

The .1 stands for the subwoofer

there's more to it than that. the reason it's called ".1" is because it outputs a limited frequency. example, your average speaker outputs a frequency range of 20Hz to 20kHz (or 20Hz to 20,000Hz). subwoofers only emit sound in the lower frequency spectrum, from 3Hz to 200Hz depending on the maker and model. subwoofers output less than 1/10 of the frequency of a standard speaker that is used for the rest of the home theatre package.

Well yeah. It's just a rule of thumb.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Interesting. Seems kinda pointless though considering the fact that 5.1 sound systems outnumber 7.1 by far far far.

GreyFoXX4

P.S: 360 outputs sound via HDMI and it is capable of DTS HD and Dolby HD.

P.S: and most studio masters agree any one other then a super human or computer wouldn't be able to tell a difference in audio quality between uncompressed PCM and Dolby HD or DTS HD.

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="McdonaIdsGuy"]

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

WilliamRLBaker

he point is though that lossless uncompressed audio is still better than DTShd or Dolbytruehd. Those codecs are used inorder to really save space actually. Wouldn't call them compressed audio buy prolly could, but their more like a zip file that gets extracted by your receiver. To most ears though wouldn't tell the difference but uncompressed audio is definitly the best.

[QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"][QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] agreed uncompressed pcm 7.1 is one of the weaknesses of ps3 games no one can take advantage of it except the top 1% it takes up space that otherwise could be used better.

P.S: 360 outputs sound via HDMI and it is capable of DTS HD and Dolby HD.

WilliamRLBaker

Well being the ps3 uses Bluray devs don't have to worry about space See their is a advantage of having bluray huh lol.

[QUOTE="HaloFan77"]

Every since the PS3 launched, one advantage it's had over the compitition is 7.1 surround sound Audio. Now, DTS Neural Surround Sound Technology will enable the Xbox 360 and the Wii to output lossless 7.1 Audio aswell. The technology also works on the PS3 and PC.

It looks like the technology will convert 5.1 to true 7.1 surround sound.

The first game to use it will be Prototype.

All it does is convert 5.1 to 7.1. It claims to output Lossless Quality sound. It does not output lossless sound. A nice option, but will not be taken advantage of.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] You do know the ps3 already outputs lossless audio right? Its the 360 that needs this mirror and smoke screen inorder to allow 360 owners to pretend that they got lossless 7.1 audio.GreyFoXX4

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] Your being series? Last I checked those audio codecs DTShd and DolbytrueHD was only on hmmm HD movies (bluray). So what would the point of the 360 outputting those audio codecs be?GreyFoXX4

Well being the ps3 uses Bluray devs don't have to worry about space See their is a advantage of having bluray huh lol.

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] You do know the ps3 already outputs lossless audio right? Its the 360 that needs this mirror and smoke screen inorder to allow 360 owners to pretend that they got lossless 7.1 audio.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="GreyFoXX4"] You do know the ps3 already outputs lossless audio right? Its the 360 that needs this mirror and smoke screen inorder to allow 360 owners to pretend that they got lossless 7.1 audio.WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="psychobrew"] PS3 audio is definitely not lossless.psychobrew

So instead of using Near lossless DTS hd Or dolby HD codecs that offer the same technical audio quality to human ears thus ensuring more space for better graphics, better worlds...ect all around more space for the game and not just the sound...we use uncompressed PCM for no reason since only 1% of the surround sound owning populace can take advantage...so yet another useless addition to ps3 that doesn't enchance or benefit even the minority of ps3 owners and video game players.WilliamRLBaker

Bu i thought i was possible with blu-ray and teh power of teh cell.

McdonaIdsGuy