Love how H3: Recon gets praised while XIII Versus gets called a mere spinoff

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#1 nervmeister
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^^ Quite a double standard, dont you think?

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#2 locopatho
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Thought Versus was considered a big game?
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#3 mingo123
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i havent seen H3 recon being praised and neither have i seen XIII versus being called spinoff
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#4 mattbbpl
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Wasn't it the other way around in the other thread? I thought H3:Recon was being called an expansion.

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I dont understand:?
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#6 lawlessx
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it was a mere spinoff before ff13 went to the 360 :wink: :P

both games are spin off's...doesnt mean they cant be great.

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#7 nervmeister
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Wasn't it the other way around in the other thread? I thought H3:Recon was being called an expansion. mattbbpl
Well, that was the initial impression until people were informed of it being a stand-alone title and disc. Even I was fooled before then.
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#8 NAPK1NS
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Halo 3 Recon: An expansion made by the original Bungie team that made Halo 3.

Versus XIII: A break away from a main game made by the Kindgom Hearts team.

Although the term "spin-off" kind of comes off sounding bad, it shouldn't be seen that way. It's a spin-off nonetheless.

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#9 Vyyral
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So far, I've seen tons of people looking down on H3: Recon for being just an expansion pack, and I find most people treat Versus XIII as a standalone game (many seem to be looking more forward to it than XIII, even).

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#10 FF_Halofan
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The main difference is that Versus is part of a series that has long been abused with spin offs from a company that really isn't constant with quality while Recon is the first from a dev that makes consistenty awesome games from a non abused franchise.


And I dont mean a long running franchise or even so many spin offs, that doesn't matter, I mean stuff like Chocobo Tales, Dirge of Cerebrus, etc.

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#11 Blackbond
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I thought it was an expansion pack and not a seperate game?
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#12 FF_Halofan
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So far, I've seen tons of people looking down on H3: Recon for being just an expansion pack, and I find most people treat Versus XIII as a standalone game (many seem to be looking more forward to it than XIII, even).

Vyyral

Recon is standalone.

It's just more of an expansion than anything. It has its own gameplay, but it still feels like Halo. It also has the same types of thigns as halo3 (forge, etc.). It is unknown if itll have competitive mp

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#13 strudel420
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I'd call this thread genius, but I think you're serious.

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[QUOTE="Vyyral"]

So far, I've seen tons of people looking down on H3: Recon for being just an expansion pack, and I find most people treat Versus XIII as a standalone game (many seem to be looking more forward to it than XIII, even).

FF_Halofan

Recon is standalone.

It's just more of an expansion than anything. It has its own gameplay, but it still feels like Halo. It also has the same types of thigns as halo3 (forge, etc.). It is unknown if itll have competitive mp

Its multiplayer will be exactly the same as Halo 3's multiplayer. People who play Recon online can play with people who play Halo 3 online.

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No because halo 3 recon is not messing with any development cycle at square, its an add on pack basically for halo 3, where as Versus is this full game that could have been made after 13 was released or atleast started development towards the middle. instead they started working on 3 games in the same damn world...ect for the reason of making money and profit not actually delivering a product and making money.

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#16 gamefreakomega
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Thought Versus was considered a big game?locopatho

It is. Even you do call it a spinoff, it's still a full game with it's own mechanics, story and characters.

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#17 nervmeister
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[QUOTE="FF_Halofan"][QUOTE="Vyyral"]

So far, I've seen tons of people looking down on H3: Recon for being just an expansion pack, and I find most people treat Versus XIII as a standalone game (many seem to be looking more forward to it than XIII, even).

-DrRobotnik-

Recon is standalone.

It's just more of an expansion than anything. It has its own gameplay, but it still feels like Halo. It also has the same types of thigns as halo3 (forge, etc.). It is unknown if itll have competitive mp

Its multiplayer will be exactly the same as Halo 3's multiplayer. People who play Recon online can play with people who play Halo 3 online.

That's pretty neat.
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#18 YankeeDan345
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I for one have seen plenty of people complaining about H3: Reacon. Some complaints have been:

-This will be a full priced expanison pack? WTF!!

-The graphics engine will be thesame = raphics will suck a year from now!

-We want master Chief! (Or at least move forward with the story!)

- The MP will probably be the exact same as Halo or else it will just suck if it even has MP.

Most of these complaints are speculation but likely one or two will indeed be true.

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#19 black_tempest
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Just saw a thread like this, except it called h3:recon an expansion so ff13 versus should be too (it was made to point out how people think this, the tc didn't share the same opinion) anyways, I don't think vs 13 is a spin off because

"Final Fantasy Versus XIII is, according to its developers, a wholly independent story unfolding with different characters and a different visual design. Although it is set within the same Final Fantasy XIII universe, it is unrelated to any other entry within the compilation and is thus neither a sequel nor a prequel to any other entries in Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy XIII."

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#20 EuroMafia
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If anything it's the other way around.
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#21 FF_Halofan
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[QUOTE="FF_Halofan"][QUOTE="Vyyral"]

So far, I've seen tons of people looking down on H3: Recon for being just an expansion pack, and I find most people treat Versus XIII as a standalone game (many seem to be looking more forward to it than XIII, even).

-DrRobotnik-

Recon is standalone.

It's just more of an expansion than anything. It has its own gameplay, but it still feels like Halo. It also has the same types of thigns as halo3 (forge, etc.). It is unknown if itll have competitive mp

Its multiplayer will be exactly the same as Halo 3's multiplayer. People who play Recon online can play with people who play Halo 3 online.

thats just an assumption.

we only know that recon will include the mythic and yet to be announced map packs. Why would they not list legendary or even the mp feature if it were to be more than that? And so we're saying we're going to break up the part about going from a match to campaign? We're going to hear "Put in Halo 3" when they want to play campaign?

I doubt it, i think itll be more like somehting you that you download to your hdd for halo 3.

Here's the actual info:

Adrift in Tokyo

Since Brian is still wearing his Sailor Moon costume and having his picture taken at the show and Shishka is overcome with jealousy at the costume's authenticity, here's a bit of information in yet another slow newsweek for Bungie.

Bungie happily announced Halo 3: Recon, earlier this week at TGS during the Microsoft Keynote speech to attendees of the Tokyo-based show. In the keynote's wake there's been a whole mess of questions about Halo 3: Recon that we're going to clear up below.

What is Halo 3: Recon?

Halo 3: Recon is a standalone, disc-based campaign expansion to Halo 3. It will be available at fine retailers around the globe in Fall of 2009.


I read on some Liveblog that Master Chief got out of the drop pod?

Negative, ghost rider. Instead of playing as the Master Chief (like players did in Halo, Halo 2 and Halo 3) in H3: Recon, players take control of an ODST (an Orbital Drop Shock Trooper) who entered orbit just after the slipspace rupture on New Mombasa (that event, you recall, took place as Regret left the planet - and in Halo 2, you followed him as the Chief). Now, players will learn more about what happened on New Mombasa during some of the events of Halo 2.



Is Halo 3 : Recon a 3rd person / squad based shooter?

Nope. "Recon" is definitely first person and it's definitely still a Halo game as you've come to know it. That said, playing as an ODST in this new setting will bring some new twists to the gameplay.



How much will Halo 3 : Recon cost?

The price point has not yet been determined. While there will be a lot of content to enjoy and a great deal of replayability, this is still viewed as an expansion to Halo 3 more so than its equal.



We saw Assembly at PAX 2008, when will we get more downloadable content for Halo 3?

The Mythic Map Pack will be made available via Xbox Live Marketplace in early 2009. "Winter," as they say. As soon as we have more details we will certainly share them.



Will the Recon campaign content or the other multiplayer maps be available through Xbox LIVE Marketplace?

Beyond the Mythic Map Pack early next year, there are no plans to release other portions of the Recon package outside of the retail box.


Is there a multiplayer component to Halo 3: Recon?

There are multiplayer maps that will appear as a part of the Halo 3: Recon package. This includes the aforementioned Mythic Map Pack in addition to a few others. You can also experience the entire Recon campaign cooperatively with up to 4 players.



Will we get to play as ODSTs in multiplayer now?

No. The multiplayer maps included with the retail package are straight up Halo 3 multiplayer maps. The ODST and other components that make up the Recon campaign are in a separate bucket and not crossing over into the competitive multiplayer realm. Think of it as two games in one.



Will the Halo 3 : Recon multiplayer maps work with "regular" copies of Halo 3?

If you purchase the Mythic Map Pack early next year via Marketplace and your friend waits and gets them with the Halo 3 : Recon retail package next Fall, you can still play together. The multiplayer maps are all part of the Halo 3 "title ID" family, regardless of where or how you get them.



What about other features from Halo 3?

Halo 3: Recon will still make use of Screenshots, Forge and Saved Films just like Halo 3 does.



Will Halo 3 : Recon have new achievements? Are these the same as the ones already "leaked" online?

There are actually two separate buckets for new achievements. The multiplayer achievements will be considered additive to your existing Halo 3 gamerscore. Some of these will be available when the Mythic Map Pack is released on Marketplace early next year. The Recon campaign will include a complete set of unique achievements and a full bounty of 1000 gamerscore to obtain.



This dude at 7-11 told me that there's a new Campaign version of Forge coming?

Get your Slurpee somewhere else. The maps included with Halo 3: Recon certainly support Forge and the functionality it affords players. But, there isn't a new Campaign Forge being added to the Halo 3 experience.



I read somewhere that this is the last Halo game Bungie is making. Say it isn't so!

We're not ready to discuss the other projects underway within the studio right now but Halo 3 : Recon does represent the final basket of goodness that we will be delivering for the Halo trilogy. There are no more offshoots or side stories in the works.



Is this the game that Bungie was intending to announce at E3?

Yes, we are happy to finally be able to pull back the curtain and share our latest project with our fans.



Will Halo 3 : Recon still use the Halo 3 engine?

Yes, this is very much an extension of the Halo 3 you have come to know and love complete with all the features included with the original game.



Is this all Bungie has been working on since becoming independent last October?

"Recon" represents one of several projects that we have underway within the Studio but it's the nearest to release and the only one we're able to talk about for now.



If this is an expansion built on top of the existing Halo 3 engine, why will it take two years to create?

Development of "Recon" actually just began in earnest this past Spring. This project is in the hands of a small team and represents our most ambitious release cycle yet as a Studio.

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#22 sargentbotk
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I could've sworn FF Versus XIII was a spin-off. And who said Halo:Recon wasn't a spin-off?

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#23 too_much_eslim
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^^ Quite a double standard, dont you think?

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As far as I can tell SE never made or hardly make good FF games that aren't the main series. Anyway, i want FFXIIIversus moreso than the main series so I don't care.
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#24 Ultra-Fatality
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Does it?

Halo 3 recon is halo 2.7

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#25 nervmeister
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If anything it's the other way around.EuroMafia
Now that I think about it, you have a point. In fact both games have been under plenty of negative prejudice with the primary argument being that they're lame spinoffs.

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#26 FF_Halofan
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Does it?

Halo 3 recon is halo 2.7

Ultra-Fatality

I guess... i've been calling it Halo 2.5. I guess you're more accurate. Midway through halo 2 and we know that he's there about midway through halo 3 (at least). I guess.

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No because halo 3 recon is not messing with any development cycle at square, its an add on pack basically for halo 3, where as Versus is this full game that could have been made after 13 was released or atleast started development towards the middle. instead they started working on 3 games in the same damn world...ect for the reason of making money and profit not actually delivering a product and making money.

WilliamRLBaker

What does Bungie and SE's development cycles have anything to do with these two games being either spin offs or full games :??

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#28 FF_Halofan
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

No because halo 3 recon is not messing with any development cycle at square, its an add on pack basically for halo 3, where as Versus is this full game that could have been made after 13 was released or atleast started development towards the middle. instead they started working on 3 games in the same damn world...ect for the reason of making money and profit not actually delivering a product and making money.

TREAL_Since

What does Bungie and SE's development cycles have anything to do with these two games being either spin offs or full games :??

It's more of a side project for Bungie. It's actually only about a 1 and 1/2 year project for bungie.

Funny thing though is that is what Gear's of War 2 cycle is as well as Resistance. It probably is true for some other games too, but we know those because I seriously doubt they were working on the sequel already especially considering they were new ips.

So in reality it's not a small cycle, but it is by Bungie's typical dev cycle.

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#29 DrinkDuff
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it was a mere spinoff before ff13 went to the 360 :wink: :P

both games are spin off's...doesnt mean they cant be great.

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This.
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#30 FF_Halofan
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

it was a mere spinoff before ff13 went to the 360 :wink: :P

both games are spin off's...doesnt mean they cant be great.

DrinkDuff

This.

i agree .

that being said, the spin offs have to have reason. Versus must connect to FF13 (and it must come to the 360 because uhh... we want to know that side of the story!) if not it should be called something else. Recon does.

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#31 ReverseCycology
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There's over a dozen Final Fantasy games that spans on more than one system for God sakes, while there's only 3 Halo games out. :|

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I think this is only occuring in your mind.
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#33 FirstDiscovery
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FF Tactics is a 'spin-off' yet its one of the best games on the PSone and my favourite SRPG of all time:|