m$ knows nothing about hardware

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power.  with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality 

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3 

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's  the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300 

radeon x1300 

m$ thinks it can cool its gpu with that tiny grey heatsink and those two fans are pathetic to, one 80mm fan is better than both of them combined

just look at the pathic cooling. your stock cpu cooler is bigger and more effective than both of those heatsinks combined

and the plastic duct isn't going to do much, no mather how much air you suck through with no very litte surface to cool the air does nothing and the lack of front intake doesn't help the cause 

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-5652-37.html

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

imprezawrx500

If you really think you know better than them, I feel sorry for you. You may be able to pick out the ideal setup for a consumer, but they're not the consumer, they're the seller. They are trying to save money, not spend it.whoisryanmack

*Looks at launch 360 working perfectly next to 21 awesome games*

Yeah they sure do suck :roll:

If you really think you know better than them, I feel sorry for you. You may be able to pick out the ideal setup for a consumer, but they're not the consumer, they're the seller. They are trying to save money, not spend it.whoisryanmack

yes let them put out cheap hardware they can sell it and save money on the side..Microsoft probaly know more about the hardware but they are just not puttin money into it.. they are stingy.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

 

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

 

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

  Hdmi 1.3 spec

Higher resolution
HDMI 1.3 can provide over 450% the
resolution of 720p HDTV, and over 225% of 1080p HDTV for greater detail
and larger display sizes.

Higher refresh rates
We are increasingly seeing a demand for
display panels with a 90Hz refresh rate. We expect this trend to
continue, as faster refresh rates create smoother motion and less
blurring in motion sequences. This will have an especially significant
impact on the gaming market, where we will see not only improved motion
sequences, but also faster response times. HDMI 1.3 does not specify an
upper limit to frame rates and it is expected that rates as high as
120Hz will be found.

• Deep Color
  HDMI 1.3 supports 30-bit, 36-bit and 48-bit
  (RGB or YCbCr 4:4:4) color depths, up from the 24-bit depths in
  previous versions of the HDMI specification.
  
  
  • This will enable HDTVs and other displays to go from millions of colors to billions of colors.
    
  • Eliminates on-screen color banding, for smooth tonal transitions and subtle gradations between colors (See picture below)
    
  • Enables increased contrast ratio
    
  • 
    Deep Color displays can represent many times more shades of gray
    between black and white. At 30-bit pixel depth, a four times
    improvement would be the minimum, and the typical improvement would be
    eight times or more.
  
  

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you really think you know better than them, I feel sorry for you. You may be able to pick out the ideal setup for a consumer, but they're not the consumer, they're the seller. They are trying to save money, not spend it.elementz28

yes let them put out cheap hardware they can sell it and save money on the side..Microsoft probaly know more about the hardware but they are just not puttin money into it.. they are stingy.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

 

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

 

KAS3Y_JAM3Z

And i hope you know you cant upgrade it through an update.. 

Are you serious microsoft makes its software around hardware it is running on Microsoft doesn't make the hardware in xbox 360 either ATI,IBM ect. This thread makes no sense.

Microsoft has been around hardware and software longer than sony and nintendo What funny about this thread is you need good software to even make the hardware work good.

Are you serious microsoft makes its software around hardware it is running on Microsoft doesn't make the hardware in xbox 360 either ATI,IBM ect. This thread makes no sense.

Microsoft has been around hardware and software longer than sony and nintendo What funny about this thread is you need good software to even make the hardware work good.

gamer4life85

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power.  with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality 

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3 

 

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's  the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300 

 

radeon x1300 

 

imprezawrx500

If you really think you know better than them, I feel sorry for you. You may be able to pick out the ideal setup for a consumer, but they're not the consumer, they're the seller. They are trying to save money, not spend it.whoisryanmack

[QUOTE="whoisryanmack"]If you really think you know better than them, I feel sorry for you. You may be able to pick out the ideal setup for a consumer, but they're not the consumer, they're the seller. They are trying to save money, not spend it.Fury52

[QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="KAS3Y_JAM3Z"][QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]

first off they can't keep the x360 cool the 360 has a a heatsink from a radeon x300 on it and its suposed to match a x1900 say x360 fans, and it makes more noise than a highend pc yet it has under half the power. with all the overheating problems x360s have it obvious the cooling system is useless

2 they don't know what plugs to put on it first they put the 20 year old vga plug over dvi which offers superior image quality

3 they release a new 360 with hdmi 1.2 rather than 1.3

this radeon x300 has a heatsink much the same as x360's the x1300 has a much bigger heatsink and its less powerfull and produces less heat than x360

radeon x300

radeon x1300

elementz28

And i hope you know you cant upgrade it through an update..

m$ thinks it can cool its gpu with that tiny grey heatsink and those two fans are pathetic to, one 80mm fan is better than both of them combined

 

just look at the pathic cooling. your stock cpu cooler is bigger and more effective than both of those heatsinks combined

and the plastic duct isn't going to do much, no mather how much air you suck through with no very litte surface to cool the air does nothing and the lack of front intake doesn't help the cause

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/2346-10877_11-5652-37.html

imprezawrx500

It pretty much depends on the solution of cooling. You can perfectly fine cool with an passive cooler if done correctly. The problem of the Xbox360 is not the semi-active to passive cooling but the size of the box, where heat builds up. Most top of the line PCs would have really big problmes getting cooled if they would be packed in such a small box. But be sure that you can passively cool everything from CPU, GPU, RAM, HDD and whatever if you find a perfect solution and have space for it.

On a side note, cooling has not much to do with hardware knowledge, it's a tree branch on it's own, that's why most stock active coolers underperform compared to passive coolers which have some researching behind them.

Also note, that the Xbox360 would require quite some performance fans in this enclosue, which would add noise. The other solution would be to place a one massive passive cooler over everything that needs to get cooled and put a nice air flow through it with a big fan. Again the space is an enemy in their case.

I agree tho, that the fans look like some generic crap, I would replace them with some decent ones and it would be easy to do so for the avg joe. Warranty void is the downside tho. 

Are you serious microsoft makes its software around hardware it is running on Microsoft doesn't make the hardware in xbox 360 either ATI,IBM ect. This thread makes no sense.

Microsoft has been around hardware and software longer than sony and nintendo What funny about this thread is you need good software to even make the hardware work good.

gamer4life85

then how come 360 overheats?