Madden only 30FPS on PS3 - Who's fault is it?

Jesus. Okay, the platform has proven to be capable of 30 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p and 60 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p. As far as I can tell, the platform is 100% capable of running the game at full speed at 1080p.

And the Edge tools theoretically should have leveled the playing field between first party and third party devs (keep in mind third parties have proven the capability of the platform already). So Sony has eased it's obligations at this point.

However, that Madden 08 is playing at 30 and 60 FPS on the PS3 platform....you have to split the blame. EA isn't putting forth the necessary effort, let's say the capital, to take advantage of the platform the way Sony intended. However, the Playstation 3, as some have commented, is an unnecessarily difficult platform. As Carmack said, although it is certainly capable of leveraging power with some authority, it requires a substantial effort on part of the developers. Well, they are EA, and in many ways they're kind of the lowest common denominator, so if they can't do it, you can't really be surprised. However, it speaks ill for the platform for being unnecessarily difficult.

At the same time I believe Madden was running at 30 FPS last year on 360 and this is the first year (am I correct about this?) that Madden is appearing on the PS3. So it could be that EA has simply had more time to work on the 360 platform than the Xbox 360 platform and that they were better able to leverage the Xbox 360 is completely reasonable and not entirely their fault at all.

Maybe if Sony supplied better developement tools, they'll get better results from game makers,

Right now I see it as eating soup with a fork.

You put in 3Xs more effect to get the same results as you would on the 360.

Now, why would you put in more work with fewer payoffs?

Jesus. Okay, the platform has proven to be capable of 30 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p and 60 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p. As far as I can tell, the platform is 100% capable of running the game at full speed at 1080p.

And the Edge tools theoretically should have leveled the playing field between first party and third party devs (keep in mind third parties have proven the capability of the platform already). So Sony has eased it's obligations at this point.

However, that Madden 08 is playing at 30 and 60 FPS on the PS3 platform....you have to split the blame. EA isn't putting forth the necessary effort, let's say the capital, to take advantage of the platform the way Sony intended. However, the Playstation 3, as some have commented, is an unnecessarily difficult platform. As Carmack said, although it is certainly capable of leveraging power with some authority, it requires a substantial effort on part of the developers. Well, they are EA, and in many ways they're kind of the lowest common denominator, so if they can't do it, you can't really be surprised. However, it speaks ill for the platform for being unnecessarily difficult.

At the same time I believe Madden was running at 30 FPS last year on 360 and this is the first year (am I correct about this?) that Madden is appearing on the PS3. So it could be that EA has simply had more time to work on the 360 platform than the Xbox 360 platform and that they were better able to leverage the Xbox 360 is completely reasonable and not entirely their fault at all.

Redfingers

i thought next-gen doesnt start till sony says so? isn't PS3 supposed to make 360 look last-gen? what went wrong with teh cell?

Well, according to most Lemmings, it's 100% the PS3's fault and this "proves" its an inferior console. Yeah...good logic huh? :roll:

[QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Jesus. Okay, the platform has proven to be capable of 30 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p and 60 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p. As far as I can tell, the platform is 100% capable of running the game at full speed at 1080p.

And the Edge tools theoretically should have leveled the playing field between first party and third party devs (keep in mind third parties have proven the capability of the platform already). So Sony has eased it's obligations at this point.

However, that Madden 08 is playing at 30 and 60 FPS on the PS3 platform....you have to split the blame. EA isn't putting forth the necessary effort, let's say the capital, to take advantage of the platform the way Sony intended. However, the Playstation 3, as some have commented, is an unnecessarily difficult platform. As Carmack said, although it is certainly capable of leveraging power with some authority, it requires a substantial effort on part of the developers. Well, they are EA, and in many ways they're kind of the lowest common denominator, so if they can't do it, you can't really be surprised. However, it speaks ill for the platform for being unnecessarily difficult.

At the same time I believe Madden was running at 30 FPS last year on 360 and this is the first year (am I correct about this?) that Madden is appearing on the PS3. So it could be that EA has simply had more time to work on the 360 platform than the Xbox 360 platform and that they were better able to leverage the Xbox 360 is completely reasonable and not entirely their fault at all.

ImagineGamer

i thought next-gen doesnt start till sony says so? isn't PS3 supposed to make 360 look last-gen? what went wrong with teh cell?

Wow, you proved my point exactly....You just don't understand, and you're making flame bait just so you are able to say "teh cell". If you think it's all the PS3's fault you are wearing blinders to the world. Wake up.

I highly doubt Madden 08 (of all games) is taxing the PS3 so much that 60 fps wouldn't have been possible. But, it really depends on the development tools Sony has provided. If the toolds were not up to par, that could be a contributing factor.

At the end of the day, I think the developers should take most of the blame for this.

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"][QUOTE="Redfingers"]

Jesus. Okay, the platform has proven to be capable of 30 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p and 60 FPS at higher resolutions than 720p. As far as I can tell, the platform is 100% capable of running the game at full speed at 1080p.

And the Edge tools theoretically should have leveled the playing field between first party and third party devs (keep in mind third parties have proven the capability of the platform already). So Sony has eased it's obligations at this point.

However, that Madden 08 is playing at 30 and 60 FPS on the PS3 platform....you have to split the blame. EA isn't putting forth the necessary effort, let's say the capital, to take advantage of the platform the way Sony intended. However, the Playstation 3, as some have commented, is an unnecessarily difficult platform. As Carmack said, although it is certainly capable of leveraging power with some authority, it requires a substantial effort on part of the developers. Well, they are EA, and in many ways they're kind of the lowest common denominator, so if they can't do it, you can't really be surprised. However, it speaks ill for the platform for being unnecessarily difficult.

At the same time I believe Madden was running at 30 FPS last year on 360 and this is the first year (am I correct about this?) that Madden is appearing on the PS3. So it could be that EA has simply had more time to work on the 360 platform than the Xbox 360 platform and that they were better able to leverage the Xbox 360 is completely reasonable and not entirely their fault at all.

RotaryRX7

i thought next-gen doesnt start till sony says so? isn't PS3 supposed to make 360 look last-gen? what went wrong with teh cell?

Wow, you proved my point exactly....You just don't understand, and you're making flame bait just so you are able to say "teh cell". If you think it's all the PS3's fault you are wearing blinders to the world. Wake up.

so you're saying it's not PS3's fault that it gets the inferior version? :?

I highly doubt Madden 08 (of all games) is taxing the PS3 so much that 60 fps wouldn't have been possible. But, it really depends on the development tools Sony has provided. If the toolds were not up to par, that could be a contributing factor.

At the end of the day, I think the developers should take most of the blame for this.

The_Game21x

yeah, blame the devs, that's what sony does all the time eh?

Maybe if Sony supplied better developement tools, they'll get better results from game makers,

Right now I see it as eating soup with a fork.

You put in 3Xs more effect to get the same results as you would on the 360.

Now, why would you put in more work with fewer payoffs?

TheOwnerOner

this poll is completely atrocious.MikeE21286

Yep!

The PS3 is also capable of doing 1 and 5 FPS so what's your point? The fact is it can't handle the same level of detail as the 360 at 60FPS. The 360 is more powerful. There was a Madden on PS3 last year and it compared favorably to the 360 version but it appears they have made no progress since then with the hardware. Too bad so sad.JiveT

[QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.Dualshockin

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I highly doubt Madden 08 (of all games) is taxing the PS3 so much that 60 fps wouldn't have been possible. But, it really depends on the development tools Sony has provided. If the toolds were not up to par, that could be a contributing factor.

At the end of the day, I think the developers should take most of the blame for this.

ImagineGamer

yeah, blame the devs, that's what sony does all the time eh?

However, that Madden 08 is playing at 30 and 60 FPS on the PS3 platform....you have to split the blame. EA isn't putting forth the necessary effort, let's say the capital, to take advantage of the platform the way Sony intended. However, the Playstation 3, as some have commented, is an unnecessarily difficult platform. As Carmack said, although it is certainly capable of leveraging power with some authority, it requires a substantial effort on part of the developers. Well, they are EA, and in many ways they're kind of the lowest common denominator, so if they can't do it, you can't really be surprised. However, it speaks ill for the platform for being unnecessarily difficult.

Redfingers

Yep, pretty much.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.ImagineGamer

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.ImagineGamer

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.swanlee

Read my post. They didn't give them proper support to code and optimize, they gave them the code. Like as in they said "here you go, here's the code. Have fun."

It's called the Edge Tools and that's literally what it is.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I highly doubt Madden 08 (of all games) is taxing the PS3 so much that 60 fps wouldn't have been possible. But, it really depends on the development tools Sony has provided. If the toolds were not up to par, that could be a contributing factor.

At the end of the day, I think the developers should take most of the blame for this.

ImagineGamer

yeah, blame the devs, that's what sony does all the time eh?

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.mmirza23

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

I don't think it's EA or Sony's fault. The difficulty of developing on next-gen systems is the main problem. And yes, that does include the Xbox 360 too -- they took three attempts to reach 60 frames-per-second on Micorsoft's box. I expect they'll take the same amount of time to yield similar results on the PS3. After all, Madden NFL 08 only marks their second attempt at PlayStation 3 Madden development.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.ImagineGamer

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

Okay, I'm not sure what Sony said at E3 2005. Did they say "all games will run at 120 FPS!" or did they say "our platform is capable of running games at 120 FPS!"?

There's a big difference. If they said "all games will run at 120 FPS!" that's PR spin, pure and simple, and that's already been proven wrong, we get it. You can't use PR spin to prove your point because even on it's best day it's hyperbole. If they said "our platform is capable of running games at 120 FPS!"....um, yeah. It is. If it can run a game like Lair in 1080p at 30 FPS there is no doubt in my mind that the platform is capable of running any kind of game, assuming it's well optimized, with a lower level of detail at or above 120 FPS. PC gamers do it all the time. Some guy told me he was running 200+ FPS on Counter Strike Source with a 7900.

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.Dualshockin

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

the 360 version is 60fps, why isnt the ps3 version?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="swanlee"]It's Sony's fault for not giving developers the proper support to code and optimize on the PS3. Telling your Development partners "We can get sports games to run at 60FPS why can't you?" is no exactly helping the developers. They also are to blame for making the PS3 so hard to develop for in the first place. Being hard to develop for is a very bad quality for yearly Sports titles like Madden which are on a VERY tight time budget. Sony are also to blame for pricing the PS3 so high that it has a tiny user base that most devs don't feel is worth the extra time and money to cater to. It all falls on Sony for this.ImagineGamer

so why isnt madden 60fps on PS3, let along 120fps?

the 360 version is 60fps, why isnt the ps3 version?

you should do some research before you all start crapping out of your mouths. Insomniac games have release developer tools for example

http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=127428 

Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.caseypayne69

Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.caseypayne69

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.Dualshockin

the 360 version is 60fps, why isnt the ps3 version?ImagineGamer

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.ImagineGamer

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.Sir-Marwin105

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.ImagineGamer

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.Dualshockin

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

cows always find excuses for PS3's failure :lol:

[QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.Dualshockin

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="ImagineGamer"]

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Microsoft spokesmen Peter Moore is now the President of EA sports. Enough said.ImagineGamer

:lol: now EA's biased as well?

cows always find excuses for PS3's failure :lol:

"Why isn't it EA?" Maybe because other Football games like APF 2K8 aren't running at 60FPS on the PS3 like it is for the 360? Is it 2k Sports fault to that they couldn't get 60FPS on the PS3 even though they could for the 360? 2K sports haven't doen a football game on either the 360 or the PS3 before and they still got the 360 version to 60 FPS. There a pretty obvious trend of games getting delayed on the PS3 and multi plat games running worse on the PS3. Are you going to blame EVERy dev that makes multi plat games or maybe we should blame the company that made a console to difficult to make games for and to expensive to garner a user base worth going to extra mile for.swanlee