Madden will run at 2x the frame rate on 360

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Berserker_2

even in the face of OVERWHELMING evidence to the contrary, cows continue to praise the power (where?) of "teh cell"...

just watch...they'll blame EA...:roll:

so, just to keep up: the ps3 costs almost TWICE what the 360 does and does HALF as good?

not good...:(

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

By programming the PS3 you mean by just porting the 360 version right?Finale-

Urr...what's the difference?

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Berserker_2

Actually this is the second year NCAA Football has been on the 360 and the 3rd for Madden. It's the first for the PS3 and 2nd for Madden on PS3. FWIW I'm getting the 360 version.

we've heard this a million times!!! and it's not that much of a difference...

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

XaosII

on paper..

unfortunately the poor efficiency of the ps3's architecture prevents the unit from ever seeing the numbers sony likes to hype in best case situations...

bah..one only has to look at the games to see the ps3 is not as powerful as the 360 in realworld gaming applications...

the 360 was designed as a gaming machine as its paramount consideration... the ps3 was not...

the fact the excuses of "hidden power" are already starting to appear with the ps3, i don't see it keep pace with the 360's more flexible and efficient architecture...

they've only scratched the surface of what the 360 is capable of...:)

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

tango90101

on paper..

unfortunately the poor efficiency of the ps3's architecture prevents the unit from ever seeing the numbers sony likes to hype in best case situations...

bah..one only has to look at the games to see the ps3 is not as powerful as the 360 in realworld gaming applications...

the 360 was designed as a gaming machine as its paramount consideration... the ps3 was not...

the fact the excuses of "hidden power" are already starting to appear with the ps3, i don't see it keep pace with the 360's more flexible and efficient architecture...

they've only scratched the surface of what the 360 is capable of...:)

So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

ramey70

Actually this is the second year NCAA Football has been on the 360. It's the first for the PS3. FWIW I'm getting the 360 version.

EA has made many PS3 games.There's absolutely no excuse for the PS3 version to be at half the frame rate unless the hardware is weak.

Remember that the Xbox 1 always demonstrated it's muscle and always had better frame rates than PS2.

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

ramey70

on paper..

unfortunately the poor efficiency of the ps3's architecture prevents the unit from ever seeing the numbers sony likes to hype in best case situations...

bah..one only has to look at the games to see the ps3 is not as powerful as the 360 in realworld gaming applications...

the 360 was designed as a gaming machine as its paramount consideration... the ps3 was not...

the fact the excuses of "hidden power" are already starting to appear with the ps3, i don't see it keep pace with the 360's more flexible and efficient architecture...

they've only scratched the surface of what the 360 is capable of...:)

So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....

no. but i read a lot and have friends who ARE in the development community...:)

so... nothing more to add but sarcasm?

didn't think so..

i think we all know what you're a "jack" of...;)

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Berserker_2

Actually this is the second year NCAA Football has been on the 360. It's the first for the PS3. FWIW I'm getting the 360 version.

EA has made many PS3 games.There's absolutely no excuse for the PS3 version to be at half the frame rate unless the hardware is weak.

Remember that the Xbox 1 always demonstrated it's muscle and always had better frame rates than PS2.

The Xbox was a significantly better machine than the PS2. The PS3 and 360 are much closer to each other hardwarewise (despite what Sony will tell you) than those two ever were. Unless any of us are actual programmers it's hard to really speak with any authority on this issue. Though I'm quite sure that won't disuade some of us.

So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....ramey70

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....Raidea

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

XaosII

It's not "plain and simple". If it was, we would see an example of a game demonstrating that power. Like I said, the excuses of difficult programming need to stop. The PS3 is not as powerful. This is proven time and time again.

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

Berserker_2

It's not "plain and simple". If it was, we would see an example of a game demonstrating that power. Like I said, the excuses of difficult programming need to stop. The PS3 is not as powerful. This is proven time and time again.

So why wasn't it proven on NCAA Hoops 2k7?

By programming the PS3 you mean by just porting the 360 version right?Finale-

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....ramey70

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

and yet you never waited in claiming the ps3 was more powerful with no realworld evidence...

how much patience should people have at $600 a pop?

gaming IS about instant gratification.... it's GAMING.... :roll:

[QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....ramey70

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

Sorry, but the overwhelming majority of cross-platform titles look better on the 360 at the moment. One game does not overrule a majority.

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

ramey70

It's not "plain and simple". If it was, we would see an example of a game demonstrating that power. Like I said, the excuses of difficult programming need to stop. The PS3 is not as powerful. This is proven time and time again.

So why wasn't it proven on NCAA Hoops 2k7?

ONE title? that's your defense? i think you just proved our point...;)

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....Raidea

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

Sorry, but the overwhelming majority of cross-platform titles look better on the 360 at the moment. One game does not overrule a majority.

True, but I think your sample pool would need to grow a little more before you can deduct such absolutes. If it's still this way next summer then I think Sony would need to so some serious explaining (in addition to the already large amount of explaining they need to do for other legitimate failures on their part).

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

ramey70

Actually this is the second year NCAA Football has been on the 360. It's the first for the PS3. FWIW I'm getting the 360 version.

EA has made many PS3 games.There's absolutely no excuse for the PS3 version to be at half the frame rate unless the hardware is weak.

Remember that the Xbox 1 always demonstrated it's muscle and always had better frame rates than PS2.

The Xbox was a significantly better machine than the PS2. The PS3 and 360 are much closer to each other hardwarewise (despite what Sony will tell you) than those two ever were. Unless any of us are actual programmers it's hard to really speak with any authority on this issue. Though I'm quite sure that won't disuade some of us.

I think you are correct, but my point was that the Xbox 1 demonstrated it's power on day 1. It didn't take 2 years to see a difference. Sony says that the PS3 is 2x more powerful, yet the 360 has the same games which run smoother and support simultaneous AA and HDR.

This is why I say the excuses have to stop. PS3 owners are expecting some game to come out and blow the 360 out of the water, but it's not gonna happen.

[QUOTE="Finale-"]By programming the PS3 you mean by just porting the 360 version right?-wii60-

and porting ins't programming :roll: ? selfowned..

Where did I say porting wasn't programming? Please learn some grammar and try to make some sense next time.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Finale-"]By programming the PS3 you mean by just porting the 360 version right?Finale-

and porting ins't programming :roll: ? selfowned..

Where did I say porting wasn't programming? Please learn some grammar and try to make some sense next time.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"]

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Berserker_2

Actually this is the second year NCAA Football has been on the 360. It's the first for the PS3. FWIW I'm getting the 360 version.

EA has made many PS3 games.There's absolutely no excuse for the PS3 version to be at half the frame rate unless the hardware is weak.

Remember that the Xbox 1 always demonstrated it's muscle and always had better frame rates than PS2.

The Xbox was a significantly better machine than the PS2. The PS3 and 360 are much closer to each other hardwarewise (despite what Sony will tell you) than those two ever were. Unless any of us are actual programmers it's hard to really speak with any authority on this issue. Though I'm quite sure that won't disuade some of us.

I think you are correct, but my point was that the Xbox 1 demonstrated it's power on day 1. It didn't take 2 years to see a difference. Sony says that the PS3 is 2x more powerful, yet the 360 has the same games which run smoother and support simultaneous AA and HDR.

This is why I say the excuses have to stop. PS3 owners are expecting some game to come out and blow the 360 out of the water, but it's not gonna happen.

If Sony thinks the PS3 is 2x powerful than the 360 they are dreaming. It simply isn't, even the best PC out right now isn't 2x more powerful than the 360. And I also agree that no PS3 game will ever blow the 360 out of the water. However, that doesn't mean there isn't any credence to the hard development issues with the PS3 and its architecture. I think the reality of the situation regarding Madden/NCAA is that there really isn't any motivation or reward right now for EA to work hard to give the PS3 60fps. Why invest so much money and time into a small user base?

Talk about beating a dead horse... I've seen this topic floating around the forums for quite a while now and I've decidedto get my say in on the matter.

Does this mean the 360 is more powerful than the PS3? No. The 360 is just a hell of a lot easier to program for. I do believe the Cell has a lot of hidden potential that's waiting to be unlocked. But when I say that, I'm not saying the PS3 is going to overpower the 360 once this happens. Once developers learn how to program for the Cell to maximize its potential, PS3 games will improve.

But, in the time it takes developers to learn how to properly utilize the Cell, those same developers will also be learning the ins and outs of the Xbox 360's hardware, and will learn how to further optimize their games to pull even more power from the system more efficiently. Based on that, I think PS3 and Xbox 360 games will be pretty much neck and neck for a few years, and then the PS3 might pull ahead slightly, but the difference will not be astronomical.

This is the third year Madden is on the 360, and it is only the first year that it is 60 fps.

This is only the second year Madden is on the PS3.

Its all a matter of experience with the development for the consoles. If next years Madden isnt 60 FPS on the PS3, then we have a problem.

[QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....ramey70

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

Sorry, but the overwhelming majority of cross-platform titles look better on the 360 at the moment. One game does not overrule a majority.

True, but I think your sample pool would need to grow a little more before you can deduct such absolutes. If it's still this way next summer then I think Sony would need to so some serious explaining (in addition to the already large amount of explaining they need to do for other legitimate failures on their part).

the proof is already overwhelming...

how many titles EXACTLY do you want before you consider it an "absolute"..?

just a number... thanks...:)

[QUOTE="Finale-"]

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Finale-"]By programming the PS3 you mean by just porting the 360 version right?_KenKittyragi_

and porting ins't programming :roll: ? selfowned..

Where did I say porting wasn't programming? Please learn some grammar and try to make some sense next time.

don't worry man, wii60 is stupid

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Didnt it take about 7 years for developers to be able to utilize every hardware feature of the PS2? And you'd expect developers to be able to use the Cell, something much more complex than the PS2 to optimize for, in about a year?

The PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Plain and simple.

Its a hell of a lot easier for developers to utilize the power in the 360. Will the PS3 eventually outclass the 360 once developers know how to better use it? Way to early to tell. It may be possible that the 360 continues its lead for a long time.

Berserker_2

It's not "plain and simple". If it was, we would see an example of a game demonstrating that power. Like I said, the excuses of difficult programming need to stop. The PS3 is not as powerful. This is proven time and time again.

Was the Dreamcast more powerful than the PS2? By your logic, it was, because Soul Calibur was graphically superior to anything the PS2 had for years. But as the develoeprs learned more about the PS2, it surpassed the Dreamcast by quite alot.

Get over it, lemmings, the PS3 is more powerful. Conversely, get over it Cows, the PS3 may never be superior to the 360's graphics, and if it does, it'll likely be when no one cares about it it anymore and people will be hyping the new next-gen systems.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Raidea"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Raidea"]

[QUOTE="ramey70"]So this week Tango is an acclaimed game developer. This guy is a jack of all trades....tango90101

Given what we know and have seen from the two platforms, what he said is pretty logical.

Not neccessarily, some games like NCAA Hoops 2k7 are better on the PS3, while many others are better on the 360. It wouldn't kill any of us wait a couple of years before we make these kinds of definitive statements. But this is the instant gratification now results generation so that kind of patience is probably not expected on this forum.

Sorry, but the overwhelming majority of cross-platform titles look better on the 360 at the moment. One game does not overrule a majority.

True, but I think your sample pool would need to grow a little more before you can deduct such absolutes. If it's still this way next summer then I think Sony would need to so some serious explaining (in addition to the already large amount of explaining they need to do for other legitimate failures on their part).

the proof is already overwhelming...

how many titles EXACTLY do you want before you consider it an "absolute"..?

just a number... thanks...:)

It has more to do with time than number of titles. As I've already said in this thread, I would wait until at least next summer. If by then nothing has changed we will know for sure that there won't be any noticeable advancement in games developed on the PS3. What's your rush anyway? I also think GTAIV will be a big test. Both are getting equal dev treatment and effort put in the game. If the 360 version is much much better than the PS3 I think the writing will be on the wall.

This is the third year Madden is on the 360, and it is only the first year that it is 60 fps.

This is only the second year Madden is on the PS3.

Its all a matter of experience with the development for the consoles. If next years Madden isnt 60 FPS on the PS3, then we have a problem.

asdasd

You're willing to wait 2 years for PS3 to catch up to the 360, eventhough the PS3 came out 1 year after 360? You're a very patient man.

[QUOTE="asdasd"]

This is the third year Madden is on the 360, and it is only the first year that it is 60 fps.

This is only the second year Madden is on the PS3.

Its all a matter of experience with the development for the consoles. If next years Madden isnt 60 FPS on the PS3, then we have a problem.

Berserker_2

You're willing to wait 2 years for PS3 to catch up to the 360, eventhough the PS3 came out 1 year after 360? You're a very patient man.

Im picking up the 360 version of Madden. Not because I want to play in 60 fps, but because I want to play online with my friends and they only have a 360 :P

I was just stating that the devs have more experience on the 360.

[QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

This is the third year Madden is on the 360, and it is only the first year that it is 60 fps.

This is only the second year Madden is on the PS3.

Its all a matter of experience with the development for the consoles. If next years Madden isnt 60 FPS on the PS3, then we have a problem.

asdasd

You're willing to wait 2 years for PS3 to catch up to the 360, eventhough the PS3 came out 1 year after 360? You're a very patient man.

Im picking up the 360 version of Madden. Not because I want to play in 60 fps, but because I want to play online with my friends and they only have a 360 :P

I was just stating that the devs have more experience on the 360.

You have to remember that it's hard for a lot of people to fathom some people have no bias and own both of these systems. I too am getting the 360 version, mainly for the superior controller.

Nick Wingfield ofThe Wall Street Journalsays:

While versions of the game for the major consoles will be similar, EA recently said the Xbox 360 version of the game will run at twice the "frame rate" of the PlayStation 3 version -- a measure that could translate into smoother on-screen motion in the eyes of some gamers.

The excuses of "understanding the Cell" have to stop. This is the second year that EA has been programming on PS3. I guess the PS3 isn't as powerful as the 360.

Berserker_2

It's becoming obvious the PS3 isn'tsuperior to the x360 at all.

lemmings need to just accept the fact that ps3 is better than xbox360 in EVERY ASPECT.

the sooner you realize this, the sooner you will stop making pointless threads.

[QUOTE="asdasd"][QUOTE="Berserker_2"][QUOTE="asdasd"]

This is the third year Madden is on the 360, and it is only the first year that it is 60 fps.

This is only the second year Madden is on the PS3.

Its all a matter of experience with the development for the consoles. If next years Madden isnt 60 FPS on the PS3, then we have a problem.

ramey70

You're willing to wait 2 years for PS3 to catch up to the 360, eventhough the PS3 came out 1 year after 360? You're a very patient man.

Im picking up the 360 version of Madden. Not because I want to play in 60 fps, but because I want to play online with my friends and they only have a 360 :P

I was just stating that the devs have more experience on the 360.

You have to remember that it's hard for a lot of people to fathom some people have no bias and own both of these systems. I too am getting the 360 version, mainly for the superior controller.

I personally like the PS controller for madden better, but I really dont have a choice. Most of my friends that have madden, dont have a PS3 heh. They have 360s. Im gona have to buy another year of XBL too :(

Get over it, lemmings, the PS3 is more powerful. Conversely, get over it Cows, the PS3 may never be superior to the 360's graphics, and if it does, it'll likely be when no one cares about it it anymore and people will be hyping the new next-gen systems.

XaosII

The only thing both sides need to realize that 2 consoles with (roughly) the same specs (512MB RAM, 3.2GHz CPU) are on par with each other. Neither console with out-shine the other.

Cows talk about power. Lems talk about efficiency.

Will the sacrifices that EA had to make to get the 360 at 60fps also apply to the PS3? I'm not sure if anyone knows at this point, but I do know that EA had to get rid of helmet reflections and made the player models a little more fuzzy in order to get the 60fps. (FWIW I'd rather have the 60fps than either). ramey70

Have a link to these sacrifices?

[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Get over it, lemmings, the PS3 is more powerful. Conversely, get over it Cows, the PS3 may never be superior to the 360's graphics, and if it does, it'll likely be when no one cares about it it anymore and people will be hyping the new next-gen systems.

LosDaddie

The only thing both sides need to realize that 2 consoles with (roughly) the same specs (512MB RAM, 3.2GHz CPU) are on par with each other. Neither console with out-shine the other.

Cows talk about power. Lems talk about efficiency.

Another point to ponder is if even if the PS3 had some magical unlocked source of power with better coding what incentive is there for devs to make that effort? Why invest so much with such a small user base? For 1st party Sony games it makes sense, and maybe that's why they've been able to do more with the sytem, by why would it make sense for 3rd parties?

lemmings need to just accept the fact that ps3 is better than xbox360 in EVERY ASPECT.

the sooner you realize this, the sooner you will stop making pointless threads.

springz300

Superior yet with the same (and sometimes, worse) graphics?

[QUOTE="ramey70"]Will the sacrifices that EA had to make to get the 360 at 60fps also apply to the PS3? I'm not sure if anyone knows at this point, but I do know that EA had to get rid of helmet reflections and made the player models a little more fuzzy in order to get the 60fps. (FWIW I'd rather have the 60fps than either). LosDaddie

Have a link to these sacrifices?

3rd paragraph down.

Link

[QUOTE="LosDaddie"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Get over it, lemmings, the PS3 is more powerful. Conversely, get over it Cows, the PS3 may never be superior to the 360's graphics, and if it does, it'll likely be when no one cares about it it anymore and people will be hyping the new next-gen systems.

ramey70

The only thing both sides need to realize that 2 consoles with (roughly) the same specs (512MB RAM, 3.2GHz CPU) are on par with each other. Neither console with out-shine the other.

Cows talk about power. Lems talk about efficiency.

Another point to ponder is if even if the PS3 had some magical unlocked source of power with better coding what incentive is there for devs to make that effort? Why invest so much with such a small user base? For 1st party Sony games it makes sense, and maybe that's why they've been able to do more with the sytem, by why would it make sense for 3rd parties?

It's obvious Sony really only cares about 1st party games this gen. 3rd parties aren't giving Sony special treatment anymore and won't until the PS3 gains a ton of marketshare.

In fact, 3rd party devs are loving the x360 this gen......Capcom anyone?

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[QUOTE="ramey70"]Will the sacrifices that EA had to make to get the 360 at 60fps also apply to the PS3? I'm not sure if anyone knows at this point, but I do know that EA had to get rid of helmet reflections and made the player models a little more fuzzy in order to get the 60fps. (FWIW I'd rather have the 60fps than either). ramey70

Have a link to these sacrifices?

3rd paragraph down.

Link

Never read that before. Thanks

The editor was quick to note the game wasn't final yet though.