Madworld sells 66,000 copies confirmed in US

This only goes to show that there is no market for core or hardcore games on the Wii.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

I'm not intending to insult you in any way - I don't think there's anything wrong whatsoever with not being hardcore, nor do I think being "hardcore" makes someone a better person, but you're not a part of the hardcore niche. It's not what you think it is - the people supporting the whole "buy it now" campaigns on the Wii cannot, by definition, be part of the hardcore niche, as platform-centrism is anathema to being hardcore. - In the end, Wasdie's comment is somewhat misplaced - but the key idea behind it - that they're targeting an audience that is not heavily represented on the Wii - holds true.SMR-Venom

That sucks. If I had the money I'd show support by buying both House of The Dead and Madworld. majadamus

I am sorry, but there is a significant hardcore market on the Wii. Take sales of Super Mario Galaxy for example. Not hardcore enough for you? Take SSBB. Still not there? Take sales of Zelda: TP, or Resident Evil: UC, or CoD:WaW. Now I agree, the entire "casual" image may overshadow the hardcore niche on the Wii, but the point is that there are hardcore gamers on the Wii.SMR-Venom

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]I am sorry, but there is a significant hardcore market on the Wii. Take sales of Super Mario Galaxy for example. Not hardcore enough for you? Take SSBB. Still not there? Take sales of Zelda: TP, or Resident Evil: UC, or CoD:WaW. Now I agree, the entire "casual" image may overshadow the hardcore niche on the Wii, but the point is that there are hardcore gamers on the Wii.foxhound_fox

Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!

SMR-Venom

Some have: De blob, House of the dead 2+3, SMG, Mario kart.

Some hasn't: Okami, Zack and Wiki, No more heroes.

The question is where does Mad World belong?

When people say Wii games have legs they mean Nintendo games not third party.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]

Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!

JLF1

Some have: De blob, House of the dead 2+3, SMG, Mario kart.

Some hasn't: Okami, Zack and Wiki, No more heroes.

The question is where does Mad World belong?

When people say Wii games have legs they mean Nintendo games not third party.

Nintendo's third party developers are taking a beating here. This does not bode well for the future. :?

Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!SMR-Venom

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!foxhound_fox

Sega is happy about it so that's good. I mean it seems like these Wii games don't have a huge budget like some of these HD games, so I'm guessing a game like MadWorld selling the way it is, already met its expectation. Not bad for a new ip targeting the hardcore fans on a very popular casual console.

VB: Sega is also going after the core audience with games like House of the Dead: Overkill and Mad World. How are consumers responding to those Mature-rated titles?

SR: House of the Dead has done very well and has absolutely met our expectations. The first set of data for Mad World is very encouraging, as well.

Link

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!SMR-Venom

Sega is happy about it so that's good. I mean it seems like these Wii games don't have a huge budget like some of these HD games, so I'm guessing a game like MadWorld selling the way it is, already met its expectation. Not bad for a new ip targeting the hardcore fans on a very popular casual console.

gago-gago

Come on now, HotD has casual appeal? You are grasping for straws. If HotD has casual appeal, then what doesn't?SMR-Venom

House of the Dead is a very well known arcade franchise back when casuals played in the arcades (or rather right before arcades died)

Believe it ir not but it is a franchise a lot of people recognises.JLF1

[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

Sega is happy about it so that's good. I mean it seems like these Wii games don't have a huge budget like some of these HD games, so I'm guessing a game like MadWorld selling the way it is, already met its expectation. Not bad for a new ip targeting the hardcore fans on a very popular casual console.

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="SMR-Venom"] As long as I own a Wii, there is definitely a "hardcore" market.SMR-Venom

Geez. No wonder games aren't selling. You guys don't even know what kinds of games you are playing.

VB: Sega is also going after the core audience with games like House of the Dead: Overkill and Mad World. How are consumers responding to those Mature-rated titles?

SR: House of the Dead has done very well and has absolutely met our expectations. The first set of data for Mad World is very encouraging, as well.

Link

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]

Sega is happy about it so that's good. I mean it seems like these Wii games don't have a huge budget like some of these HD games, so I'm guessing a game like MadWorld selling the way it is, already met its expectation. Not bad for a new ip targeting the hardcore fans on a very popular casual console.

JLF1

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]...and people think KZ2 did bad in sales.stvee101

thats cause kz2 is a huge title in the ps3's library... madworld not so much

You're kidding right?

Ok it never had the same level of hype or expectation attached to KZ2,but MW was considered by alot of people as a potential Killer-app,and proof that 3rd parties were willing to bring high quality games to the Wii.

Make no mistake,this was a big game for the Wii,especially considering the drought it suffered in the latter half of '08.

yeah, and madworld was advertised as much as kz2, right? :roll:

the only ad it had was a 2 second mention during a commercial for HotD game...

what happens in SW is not what most people see... they see commercials, not internet hype

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]...and people think KZ2 did bad in sales.clubsammich91

thats cause kz2 is a huge title in the ps3's library... madworld not so much

read above

Sega says that it is pleased with Madworld's sales so far, but I really doubt that they are. Companies do this sort of thing all the time.

Anyway, this might lead even more third party devs to think that making good games on the Wii isn't worth it.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"][QUOTE="subrosian"] I'm not intending to insult you in any way - I don't think there's anything wrong whatsoever with not being hardcore, nor do I think being "hardcore" makes someone a better person, but you're not a part of the hardcore niche. It's not what you think it is - the people supporting the whole "buy it now" campaigns on the Wii cannot, by definition, be part of the hardcore niche, as platform-centrism is anathema to being hardcore. - In the end, Wasdie's comment is somewhat misplaced - but the key idea behind it - that they're targeting an audience that is not heavily represented on the Wii - holds true.heretrix

Geez. No wonder games aren't selling. You guys don't even know what kinds of games you are playing.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

thats cause kz2 is a huge title in the ps3's library... madworld not so much

ogvampire

You're kidding right?

Ok it never had the same level of hype or expectation attached to KZ2,but MW was considered by alot of people as a potential Killer-app,and proof that 3rd parties were willing to bring high quality games to the Wii.

Make no mistake,this was a big game for the Wii,especially considering the drought it suffered in the latter half of '08.

yeah, and madworld was advertised as much as kz2, right? :roll:

the only ad it had was a 2 second mention during a commercial for HotD game...

what happens in SW is not what most people see... they see commercials, not internet hype

Reading;'tis good for you. :P

Dang. Well, I feel guilty as a part of the reason. I haven't bought the game yet and I really wanna play it. Though I kind of just want to rent it. Hmm...Episode_Eve

Same here. I really want to get it, but I find it hard to justify a full price game that's so short.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="SMR-Venom"] As long as I own a Wii, there is definitely a "hardcore" market.SMR-Venom

Those are mostly first party nintendo titles, and the examples you have give are about half waht there is in total. There are hardcore games on the Wii but compared to the PC, 360 and PS3 its a total casual fest. I don't think any of us need remainding of the games drought the Wii has suffrered since early 2008, there simply isn't the killer softwear out there to back the thing up. And there hasn't for a LONG time now.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

You're kidding right?

Ok it never had the same level of hype or expectation attached to KZ2,but MW was considered by alot of people as a potential Killer-app,and proof that 3rd parties were willing to bring high quality games to the Wii.

Make no mistake,this was a big game for the Wii,especially considering the drought it suffered in the latter half of '08.

stvee101

yeah, and madworld was advertised as much as kz2, right? :roll:

the only ad it had was a 2 second mention during a commercial for HotD game...

what happens in SW is not what most people see... they see commercials, not internet hype

Reading;'tis good for you. :P

i know, i can read just fine. i think you need to realize something:

hype/expectation =/= advertisement

the hype for it is created at vg sites... there was barely any advertising. there is a difference

where would someone that doesnt go into vg forums (99.9999% of the world) find out about Madworld besides the 2 second mention in the hotd commercial?

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

thats cause kz2 is a huge title in the ps3's library... madworld not so much

ogvampire

You're kidding right?

Ok it never had the same level of hype or expectation attached to KZ2,but MW was considered by alot of people as a potential Killer-app,and proof that 3rd parties were willing to bring high quality games to the Wii.

Make no mistake,this was a big game for the Wii,especially considering the drought it suffered in the latter half of '08.

yeah, and madworld was advertised as much as kz2, right? :roll:

the only ad it had was a 2 second mention during a commercial for HotD game...

what happens in SW is not what most people see... they see commercials, not internet hype

[QUOTE="psychobrew"]Mad World was a "hardcore" game just for the sake of being "hardcore." There was no point to the game, except to target people who are to young to buy it so they can go around telling their buddies that they are harcore. HOD:OK is just another zombie rail shooter. The thing with rail shooters is there isn't much variety. It's just point, click, point, click, point, click, point, click. I can do that without the game. Niether are qualtiy titles, and both would have bombed on the PS3 and 360.Giancar

I traded my copy in ... though I've heard SEGA is happy with those numbers.

I traded my copy in ... though I've heard SEGA is happy with those numbers.

Haziqonfire

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

yeah, and madworld was advertised as much as kz2, right? :roll:

the only ad it had was a 2 second mention during a commercial for HotD game...

what happens in SW is not what most people see... they see commercials, not internet hype

ogvampire

Reading;'tis good for you. :P

i know, i can read just fine. i think you need to realize something:

hype/expectation =/= advertisement

the hype for it is created at vg sites... there was barely any advertising. there is a difference

where would someone that doesnt go into vg forums (99.9999% of the world) find out about Madworld besides the 2 second mention in the hotd commercial?

But you contradict yourself,going by your logic,how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW? Where I live (the UK), Sony did an appaling job advertising this game.I think I've seen this one commercial 3 times since KZ2's release,and only two of my gaming friends appreciated what a big deal this game was for the PS3.

And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising.

But make no mistake,the fact that such a bold 3rd party title was released on the Wii(considering the appalling '08 line-up) is a big deal,no matter how you spin it.

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="psychobrew"]Mad World was a "hardcore" game just for the sake of being "hardcore." There was no point to the game, except to target people who are to young to buy it so they can go around telling their buddies that they are harcore. HOD:OK is just another zombie rail shooter. The thing with rail shooters is there isn't much variety. It's just point, click, point, click, point, click, point, click. I can do that without the game. Niether are qualtiy titles, and both would have bombed on the PS3 and 360.psychobrew

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[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Reading;'tis good for you. :P

stvee101

i know, i can read just fine. i think you need to realize something:

hype/expectation =/= advertisement

the hype for it is created at vg sites... there was barely any advertising. there is a difference

where would someone that doesnt go into vg forums (99.9999% of the world) find out about Madworld besides the 2 second mention in the hotd commercial?

But you contradict yourself,going by your logic,how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW? Where I live (the UK), Sony did an appaling job advertising this game.I think I've seen this one commercial 3 times since KZ2's release,and only two of my gaming friends appreciated what a big deal this game was for the PS3.

And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising.

But make no mistake,the fact that such a bold 3rd party title was released on the Wii(considering the appalling '08 line-up) is a big deal,no matter how you spin it.

"how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW"

easy. they were showing its commercial alot.... commercials = attention. i know its obvious, but the games that have commercials sell a hell of alot more than the ones that dont or have very little. okami anyone?

"And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising."

but we are discussing npd numbers, no other region. what advertising they do where you live (UK) has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

in america, the only ads i saw, like i said, was a 2 second mention at the end of the HotD commercial.

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[QUOTE="stvee101"]

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

i know, i can read just fine. i think you need to realize something:

hype/expectation =/= advertisement

the hype for it is created at vg sites... there was barely any advertising. there is a difference

where would someone that doesnt go into vg forums (99.9999% of the world) find out about Madworld besides the 2 second mention in the hotd commercial?

ogvampire

But you contradict yourself,going by your logic,how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW? Where I live (the UK), Sony did an appaling job advertising this game.I think I've seen this one commercial 3 times since KZ2's release,and only two of my gaming friends appreciated what a big deal this game was for the PS3.

And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising.

But make no mistake,the fact that such a bold 3rd party title was released on the Wii(considering the appalling '08 line-up) is a big deal,no matter how you spin it.

"how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW"

easy. they were showing its commercial alot.... commercials = attention. i know its obvious, but the games that have commercials sell a hell of alot more than the ones that dont or have very little. okami anyone?

"And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising."

but we are discussing npd numbers, no other region. what advertising they do where you live (UK) has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

in america, the only ads i saw, like i said, was a 2 second mention at the end of the HotD commercial.

I think you overestimate the influence KZ2 has outside teh internet tbh.Those NPD numbers prove that KZ2 wasn't as big as alot of people made out around here.

[QUOTE="SMR-Venom"]

Alright I'll bite. Now games like House of the Dead 2+3, also were for a core market, no? That is currently at 960,000. Back to my original point, Wii games have legs!

JLF1

Some have: De blob, House of the dead 2+3, SMG, Mario kart.

Some hasn't: Okami, Zack and Wiki, No more heroes.

The question is where does Mad World belong?

When people say Wii games have legs they mean Nintendo games not third party.

wtf some hasn't? Okami sold way better on Wii. Still at mid full price. No more heroes is still on shelves.

r_gam3

Yes they don't sell.

Neither Okami or No more heroes has continued to sell month after month. They are selling but in very very low numbers. It's not like they continue to sell 100K month after month or they would have reach 1mil a long ago. That is not the case.

EDIT:

And Okami didn't sell WAY more on the Wii. It sold better but nearly enough.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"]

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[QUOTE="stvee101"]

But you contradict yourself,going by your logic,how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW? Where I live (the UK), Sony did an appaling job advertising this game.I think I've seen this one commercial 3 times since KZ2's release,and only two of my gaming friends appreciated what a big deal this game was for the PS3.

And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising.

But make no mistake,the fact that such a bold 3rd party title was released on the Wii(considering the appalling '08 line-up) is a big deal,no matter how you spin it.

stvee101

"how can you tell KZ2 was such a big deal outside of SW"

easy. they were showing its commercial alot.... commercials = attention. i know its obvious, but the games that have commercials sell a hell of alot more than the ones that dont or have very little. okami anyone?

"And I don't know whre you live,but here MW has actaully had a suprising amount of advertising."

but we are discussing npd numbers, no other region. what advertising they do where you live (UK) has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

in america, the only ads i saw, like i said, was a 2 second mention at the end of the HotD commercial.

I think you overestimate the influence KZ2 has outside teh internet tbh.Those NPD numbers prove that KZ2 wasn't as big as alot of people made out around here.

my only point was that kz2 got alot more advertisement than madworld

[QUOTE="r_gam3"]

wtf some hasn't? Okami sold way better on Wii. Still at mid full price. No more heroes is still on shelves.

JLF1

Yes they don't sell.

Neither Okami or No more heroes has continued to sell month after month. They are selling but in very very low numbers. It's not like they continue to sell 100K month after month or they would have reach 1mil a long ago. That is not the case.

yes, like 100k is easily achievable by niche games. Dude, you were wrong ok, plz accept it.

r_gam3

Then please tell me how they are still selling as you claim? Having legs doesn't mean the game can still found in retails, having legs means that a game sells good numbers month after month. Neither Okami or No more Heroes are doing that anymore.

Okami BOMBED on the Wii, plz accept it.

Mad World was a "hardcore" game just for the sake of being "hardcore." There was no point to the game, except to target people who are to young to buy it so they can go around telling their buddies that they are harcore. HOD:OK is just another zombie rail shooter. The thing with rail shooters is there isn't much variety. It's just point, click, point, click, point, click, point, click.

I can do that without the game. Niether are qualtiy titles, and both would have bombed on the PS3 and 360.psychobrew

Not trying to rude here, Psycho, but have you actually played either one of those games? Because there's a lot more to both of them than you describe.

Madworld certainly wasn't just violence for the sake of violence, there was a good storyline and purpose to the game. HotD Overkill was just solid entertainment. Yes, it's definitely an on-rails shooter, but it's also a an extremelywell-done and entertaining one.

[QUOTE="psychobrew"][QUOTE="Giancar"] both are quality titles, in fact both are the best games the wii has offered in 09 Heck, you can count last semester and both are the better games wii has offeredGiancar

[QUOTE="r_gam3"]

wtf some hasn't? Okami sold way better on Wii. Still at mid full price. No more heroes is still on shelves.

JLF1

Yes they don't sell.

Neither Okami or No more heroes has continued to sell month after month. They are selling but in very very low numbers. It's not like they continue to sell 100K month after month or they would have reach 1mil a long ago. That is not the case.

EDIT:

And Okami didn't sell WAY more on the Wii. It sold better but nearly enough.

Okami not only managed to sell more on the Wii, but it managed to sell more on the Wii with a far smaller userbase than the PS2.

Best game is highly subjective. Sales indicate not that many people agree with you, and when you look at the niche apeal, you can see why. I'm not sure what you mean by semester, but COD:WAW was the last quality title to come out. In the future, LKS is going to be huge, as will Monster Hunter 3 (not sure if it's comming to the west this year or not). The Conduit will do well too. There are many games comming out in the near future that will have widespread apeal and still having an edge. Some of these titles have been in development for years and should prove to be popular. HOTD:OK and MadWorld have a very norrow scope of apeal, which is why they aren't selling.psychobrew