Mark Rein: No money in Wii engines!

Epic Avoids the Wii, Can't Blame Them

"I don't think there's a lot of money on making engines for the Wii...because the big software dollars right now are being earned on Xbox 360 and they're going to be earned on PlayStation 3, and I think unless you're going to sell your engine to Nintendo, you're going for scraps on that platform."

Is he right?

Discuss

"going for scraps on that platform"

Is he saying that Nintendo will dominate the Wii and that third parties will only get the left overs?

"going for scraps on that platform"

Is he saying that Nintendo will dominate the Wii and that third parties will only get the left overs?

sexy_chimp

I think he is...But could you blame him Nintendo is hard to beat on any Nintendo based format. They may just be to big for their own good in that aspect. Nintendo is so good they hurt the third party companies.

Epic Avoids the Wii, Can't Blame Them

"I don't think there's a lot of money on making engines for the Wii...because the big software dollars right now are being earned on Xbox 360 and they're going to be earned on PlayStation 3, and I think unless you're going to sell your engine to Nintendo, you're going for scraps on that platform."

Is he right?

Discuss

gmastersexay

Well, duh. The point of the Wii's design is that it doesn't need all the big development costs that surrounds advanced engines like CryENGINE 2 or Unreal Engine 3.0. Epic makes at least half of their business selling engines to devs that don't have the money to develop their own, and usually at a tidy profit. If the Wii dominates the next generation, then, in the words of the great gurus of System Wars: "Epic phail."

The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.Wasdie

Not counting WiiSports, it's about 5 here in the US, probably a little higher (if you count WiiSports and WiiPlay, it's 6.5; I assume that 100% of Wii owners have WiiSports and 50% have WiiPlay). A little lower in Europe. It's only 3 in Japan, though.

The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.Wasdie

No, it's actually pretty good.

It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd party companies can't make decent games that can grab as much fan attraction as the Nintendo games.

Epic are a bunch of cry babies. Boo hoo the nintendo titles will make our stuff look like garbage boo hoo.. cry cry whine whine.

It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd party companies can't make decent games that can grab as much fan attraction as the Nintendo games.

Epic are a bunch of cry babies. Boo hoo the nintendo titles will make our stuff look like garbage boo hoo.. cry cry whine whine.

grandlx2

Yeah, with their AAA classics like Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario,and Zelda: Twilight Princess. Oh, wait...

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.sexy_chimp

No, it's actually pretty good.

Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.OGTiago

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

It's not Nintendo's fault that 3rd party companies can't make decent games that can grab as much fan attraction as the Nintendo games.

Epic are a bunch of cry babies. Boo hoo the nintendo titles will make our stuff look like garbage boo hoo.. cry cry whine whine.

grandlx2

:lol: It does seem rather like that's what they're saying.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.groudyogre

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

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[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.OGTiago

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.WuTangG

No, it's actually pretty good.

The PS2's attachment rate creams everything.

[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.groudyogre

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

Game engine as in their graphics engine, not the game mechanics.

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[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.Technoweirdo

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

Game engine as in their graphics engine, not the game mechanics.

So if Nintendo sold the engine used for Super Mario Galaxy third parties could make graphics as good as Super Mario Galaxy?!?!

I know nothing about engines.

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[QUOTE="OGTiago"]Maybe Nintendo should sell their game engines.sexy_chimp

Interesting idea. I wonder how a dev company like EA or Konami would spin metroid or Loz...

Game engine as in their graphics engine, not the game mechanics.

So if Nintendo sold the engine used for Super Mario Galaxy third parties could make graphics as good as Super Mario Galaxy?!?!

I know nothing about engines.

Possibly, but usually, the ones who know engines the best are those who designed them. Take a look at Epic's Gears of War and Midway's Stranglehold for example. They both use Unreal Engine 3, but Stranglehold doesn't compare to Gears of War because Epic designed it themselves and know it inside out.

Also, Nintendo knows the Wii's hardware the best. After all, they created it so it'll be hard to match them with the same engine and hardware.

Visuals dont matter. If a 3rd party company wanted to do a great game on any system including the wii, they can. It takes effort. Not just cry wolf like this company has. "our stuff blows compared to the nintendo line up, so therefore we wont even bother creating games because nintendo games will take all our business. Because we are terrible. We are terrible. (hugs himself and cries)"

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.mjarantilla

No, it's actually pretty good.

The PS2's attachment rate creams everything.

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.WuTangG

No, it's actually pretty good.

The PS2's attachment rate creams everything.

why are you mentioning xbox 360? and then saying wii falling behind?

Xbox is trash. It lost the console war before the two other systems even came out. It took 1 year for the Wii to dominate the xbox. The ps3 will dominate the xbox soon enough too.

why are you mentioning xbox 360? and then saying wii falling behind?

Xbox is trash. It lost the console war before the two other systems even came out. It took 1 year for the Wii to dominate the xbox. The ps3 will dominate the xbox soon enough too.

grandlx2

Come back once you can read:|

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[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The attachment rate with the Wii is rather low last I knew.WuTangG

No, it's actually pretty good.

The PS2's attachment rate creams everything.

The Xbox 360's attachment rate at this same time last year (i.e. 11 months after its launch, same as the Wii) was only 5.2 games per console sold. That's only 0.2 higher than the Wii WITHOUT WiiSports or WiiPlay. The PS2's attach rate is 10.4, by comparison.

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why are you mentioning xbox 360? and then saying wii falling behind?

Xbox is trash. It lost the console war before the two other systems even came out. It took 1 year for the Wii to dominate the xbox. The ps3 will dominate the xbox soon enough too.

WuTangG

Come back once you can read:|

Maybe you need to learn how to read first. You mentioned pheripeals and how they are used more on the xbox. Big deal, that system is about to die. It's garbage. Don't mention that system in a Wii topic please.

And that "system" has been out for over two years, giving developers time to use the pheripeals (attachments) and what not in games. I am sue the nintendo soon to come software will utilize the "attachments" more.

Actually it is more powerful than an Xbox. Do you know ANYTHING at all about hardware? Seriously...sighgrandlx2

Actually it is more powerful than an Xbox. Do you know ANYTHING at all about hardware? Seriously...sighgrandlx2

Yes, I know. Quit preaching.

This is not a wii problem, this is an Epic problem. Their buisness plan hinges on the idea that consoles will always be harderand mor exspensive to dev for as time goes by. Nintendo making things easier mess that all up. God bless Nintnedo. :oops:

considering ue2 engine was a bit too much for gc (and subsequently wii), it would be senseless and financially stupid for them to develop a wii engine. thats like telling Da Vinci to hold off on the Mona Lisa and Last Supper so he can make paintings on Post-It notes. :|Big_T-Mac

So the GC couldn't handle UE 2? Well that would explain why they aren't going to bother. I thought they could have just used that engine before.

atm yes wii needs some killer system seller apps to get attention from the big companys to show them there where the moneys at i dont mean 100 more marios zeldas star foxes and etc something new Sup11722

actually excluding mario party, each generation a nintendo system receives 1 starfox (excluding gamecube but the second one sucked), 2 zeldas, 1 mario kart, 1 smash bros, 1 mario tennis, 1 mario soccer,and 1 TRUE mario platformer.

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why are you mentioning xbox 360? and then saying wii falling behind?

Xbox is trash. It lost the console war before the two other systems even came out. It took 1 year for the Wii to dominate the xbox. The ps3 will dominate the xbox soon enough too.

grandlx2

Come back once you can read:|

Maybe you need to learn how to read first. You mentioned pheripeals and how they are used more on the xbox. Big deal, that system is about to die. It's garbage. Don't mention that system in a Wii topic please.

And that "system" has been out for over two years, giving developers time to use the pheripeals (attachments) and what not in games. I am sue the nintendo soon to come software will utilize the "attachments" more.

And yes, you really hate the 360, but you also seem to hate games, im sure playing garbage games on Wii must make you really happy

[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]considering ue2 engine was a bit too much for gc (and subsequently wii), it would be senseless and financially stupid for them to develop a wii engine. thats like telling Da Vinci to hold off on the Mona Lisa and Last Supper so he can make paintings on Post-It notes. :|JimmyT2

So the GC couldn't handle UE 2? Well that would explain why they aren't going to bother. I thought they could have just used that engine before.

long answer: nope. :P

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[QUOTE="Big_T-Mac"]considering ue2 engine was a bit too much for gc (and subsequently wii), it would be senseless and financially stupid for them to develop a wii engine. thats like telling Da Vinci to hold off on the Mona Lisa and Last Supper so he can make paintings on Post-It notes. :|Big_T-Mac

So the GC couldn't handle UE 2? Well that would explain why they aren't going to bother. I thought they could have just used that engine before.

long answer: nope. :P

100% wrong. The GCN could easily handle Unreal Engine 2.0. The game XIII used UE2, as did all of the Rainbow Six and Splinter Cell games.