Master Chief.....

Not trying to be disruptive or anything but Ive recently come to the conclusion that the Master Chief is really only a "hero" in one regard (I was going to post this in the Greatest hero section but it seemed better here since hes been out for a while) and that one regard is not even in the games. I mean look at this.

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

The only time he really does something of importance is when he saves Johnson in Fall of Reach...

I mean they are fun games and stuff its just that.... hes not a great hero.... at all... other people do most of the work...

AND he's voice sounded a lot like solid snake.

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.

Phelix806

Actually, he helped save quite a few marines from the Pillar of Autumn shortly before it crashed. He singlehandedly took on the flood and destroyed the Halo ring. Granted, it didn't make much of a difference since there were other rings, but I'd still say that's pretty heroic.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Phelix806

But he did manage to take down the Prophet of Regret...alone...

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

Phelix806

That's still quite an achievement. He, with the Arbiter and Johnson, finally managed to finish off the Covenant and destroy the Flood once and for all.

Just because someone else could have done it, doesn't take anything away from the person/character who DID do it.

Master CHief is awesome..... I don't care what the haters say, I love his strong silent attitude... he doesn't need to talk a bunch of smack talk like most other heroes.... he knows what he's capable of, and doesnt give a **** what anyone else thinks, he gets the job done.

oh and Master Chief rides an alien nuke out of a space ship into space.... delivering it back to the covenant.

also, The Chief falls to earth from space without a ship and lives. He's a tough motha-*********.

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.Phelix806

His actions destroyed the majority of the largest Covenant fleet humanity had ever seen. He turned utter defeat (the Pillar of Autumn vs. several superior Covenant capital ships) into victory, and provided humanity with invaluable intelligence on the Covenant, Flood, Forerunners and Halo system.

Remember how Guilty Spark deceived him? What if he had died and another human was tricked by another Monitor? His victory ensured humanity were the only ones in the galaxy who knew what the Halos did. Without that, humanity would never have known to oppose the Covenant in Halo 2 at the firing, never had the keen insight to instantly seek the Index and never been able to spark the Covenant Civil War.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

Phelix806

The only reason Johnson and the Arbiter were able to stop the rings being used in Halo 2 and Halo 3 was because the Master Chief had

A) Gone through the process himself

B) Told them exactly how it worked, what to expect, how to stop it.

Not trying to be disruptive or anything but Ive recently come to the conclusion that the Master Chief is really only a "hero" in one regard (I was going to post this in the Greatest hero section but it seemed better here since hes been out for a while) and that one regard is not even in the games. I mean look at this.

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

The only time he really does something of importance is when he saves Johnson in Fall of Reach...

I mean they are fun games and stuff its just that.... hes not a great hero.... at all... other people do most of the work...

Phelix806

Halo 1: he did not destroy the covenant fleet (at least most of it) the flood did that, he also didnt stop the flood from taking the Truth & Reconciliation, it was the leftover ODSTs from the Pillar of Autumn who did that (in the books, this is not shown in the game as it happens after the chief enters the T&R the second time)

I will take the argument that just because someone else could do it doesnt detract from his hero status argument as that makes sense. and again they are great games, I ust came to this conclusion.

Another argument could be said that he stopped the flood from leaving the original halo by destroying the Pillar of Autumn (thus making sure the flood couldn't take it)

In the end I have to say he is a hero, but I dont think hes the MAIN hero... the games just seem to focus on him when others do just as much/more.

Just because someone else could have done it, doesn't take anything away from the person/character who DID do it.

Master CHief is awesome..... I don't care what the haters say, I love his strong silent attitude... he doesn't need to talk a bunch of smack talk like most other heroes.... he knows what he's capable of, and doesnt give a **** what anyone else thinks, he gets the job done.

oh and Master Chief rides an alien nuke out of a space ship into space.... delivering it back to the covenant.

also, The Chief falls to earth from space without a ship and lives. He's a tough motha-*********.

whatisazerg

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

just wondering but what did Bub and Bob do?:Psmokingsbad

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

x3ni1992

[QUOTE="smokingsbad"]just wondering but what did Bub and Bob do?:PSpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

smokingsbad

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

x3ni1992

[QUOTE="smokingsbad"][QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

x3ni1992

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

x3ni1992

lmao, I can say the same to you? amirite?smokingsbad

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"][QUOTE="x3ni1992"]

Master Chief is boring, amirite?

x3ni1992

So you ignored detailed analysises of people proving you wrong.:roll:

[QUOTE="x3ni1992"][QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"] Have you even read these posts?SpiritOfFire117

So you ignored detailed analysises of people proving you wrong.:roll:

[QUOTE="Phelix806"]

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.Danm_999

His actions destroyed the majority of the largest Covenant fleet humanity had ever seen. He turned utter defeat (the Pillar of Autumn vs. several superior Covenant capital ships) into victory, and provided humanity with invaluable intelligence on the Covenant, Flood, Forerunners and Halo system.

Remember how Guilty Spark deceived him? What if he had died and another human was tricked by another Monitor? His victory ensured humanity were the only ones in the galaxy who knew what the Halos did. Without that, humanity would never have known to oppose the Covenant in Halo 2 at the firing, never had the keen insight to instantly seek the Index and never been able to spark the Covenant Civil War.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

Phelix806

The only reason Johnson and the Arbiter were able to stop the rings being used in Halo 2 and Halo 3 was because the Master Chief had

A) Gone through the process himself

B) Told them exactly how it worked, what to expect, how to stop it.

Big Boss >>> Solid Snake >>>> MasterCheif

Big Boss >>> Solid Snake >>>> MasterCheif

Generalmojo

it doesnt matter if teh chief blows up the world or saves it, hes just awesome

A hero isn't defined by who else could've done the job. A big part of the hero archetype is that it's a character that puts himself in the right place at the right time. Sometimes to defeat a major enemy character. Other times to play his part in a larger scheme. Or... sometimes to just push a button when no one else is there to do it at the time.

For both Gordon Freeman and Master Chief, the intention of having these characters be silent is to allow the player to better feel like they ARE the main protagonist.

For both Gordon Freeman and Master Chief, the intention of having these characters be silent is to allow the player to better feel like they ARE the main protagonist.

MajorGamer531

Right. The Warren Specter school of thought for character design has a silent protagonist so the player can interject some of his/her own personality into the character. That's why so many people find it easy to empathize with characters like the JC Denton, Freeman and the Chief,

Master Chief is one of the worst characters I've ever seen. He's even too dumb to talk, that's why he remains mostly silent. Marcus Fenix should have learned from him but I'm afraid he's even dumber.RedruM_I

Master Chief is the Master Hero - most others couldn't even carry his jock .. um, armor. :P

[QUOTE="Phelix806"]

Halo (also Halo: The Flood): does he really do anything besides save his own ass? oh he almost activates the ring... he doesn't stop the flood from leaving (they clearly couldnt leave, because Ill be damned if the entire flood was only locked up by a single door) I mean he destroys the ring... and thats it... which didn't really do anything.Danm_999

His actions destroyed the majority of the largest Covenant fleet humanity had ever seen. He turned utter defeat (the Pillar of Autumn vs. several superior Covenant capital ships) into victory, and provided humanity with invaluable intelligence on the Covenant, Flood, Forerunners and Halo system.

Remember how Guilty Spark deceived him? What if he had died and another human was tricked by another Monitor? His victory ensured humanity were the only ones in the galaxy who knew what the Halos did. Without that, humanity would never have known to oppose the Covenant in Halo 2 at the firing, never had the keen insight to instantly seek the Index and never been able to spark the Covenant Civil War.

Halo 2: he wasn't even on the same side of the galaxy as Tartarus, Arbiter won this one.

Halo 3: He stopped all the rings from firing.... by pushing a button... are you telling me that Sergeant Johnson wouldnt have deactivated them? (and arbiter would have saved Johnson) and finally He activates installation 04 (the new one) but couldn't the arbiter have picked up Johnson during the last of johnsons life and activated it...

Phelix806

The only reason Johnson and the Arbiter were able to stop the rings being used in Halo 2 and Halo 3 was because the Master Chief had

A) Gone through the process himself

B) Told them exactly how it worked, what to expect, how to stop it.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]Master Chief is one of the worst characters I've ever seen. He's even too dumb to talk, that's why he remains mostly silent. Marcus Fenix should have learned from him but I'm afraid he's even dumber.Cicatraz_ESP

Watch this cutscene from Halo 2, and tell me if he isn't a good hero or not:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1opGjdOwjs

Watch this cutscene from Halo 2, and tell me if he isn't a good hero or not:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1opGjdOwjs

Heh, I don't really like Master Chief, I don't know if he's actually a man or robot

Heh, I don't really like Master Chief, I don't know if he's actually a man or robot

ihsanqueen

Well alot of people in WW2 were titled heroes for just killing alot of their enemies. And Chief aint exactly shy on the killing part of his job...

Heh, I don't really like Master Chief, I don't know if he's actually a man or robot

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