Media Create Japan Sales Jan 9-15: PS Vita Is Dead (No, Really) Edition

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Lol, Japan is so insignificant in terms of total numbers. Just look at how little of an impact Japan has on sales compared to the USA or Europe. They're just a tiny spot on the map that make up a small fraction of sales. I'll hold out on claiming the Vita is dead until I see it fail in the USA or Europe where sales are actually significant.

blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

Japan accounts for more than a third of global software and hardware revenue, and is a major determinant in terms of third party support for a system.charizard1605

Lol, no, he's not right.

94 million Wii sold - 12 million of them were sold in Japan

64 million 360s sold - 1.5 million of them were sold in Japan

61 million PS3s sold - 7.7 million of them were sold in Japan

15 million 3DS sold - 4.6 million of them were sold in Japan

Keep in mind that the Wii, PS3 and 3DS had a major head start in Japan being released many months earlier than other regions.

Japan sales are insignificant when you look at the big picture. Japan doesn't dictate if a product fails, the wallets of Europeans and Americans are what matters. I'll wait until Vita releases in Europe and USA before I make any bold claims like "IT FAILED"!!

That is true. I can't explain why the 360 did so bad over there.AmazonTreeBoa

To put things in perspective though, the 360 has done better than the Xbox in Japan.

If you want to know why the 360 is doing bad just think about this scenario.

Let's say Microsoft and its Xbox brand has been the only gaming brand over a 20 year period. Games are very similar to what they currently are as far as genre and appeal etc.

Then all of a sudden Sony decides to launch a console and sell it world wide and its games have a more Eastern appeal to it.

Do you really think Americans would be buying the Sony console up when they have the Microsoft console?

Same scenario for Microsoft in Japan. Sony has been doing games in Japan for 16 years now and Nintendo has been doing it for over 25. Microsoft's name recognition in Japan is no where near what Nintendo and Sony is.

That along with games that don't have the appeal that Nintendo and Sony games do in Japan and it leads to these low sales.

We have started seeing, however, that the Japanese are embraicing more Western games. Call of Duty has been selling like crazy over there, and like I mentioned earlier the 360 has out performed its predecssor in Japan. The longer Microsoft is selling consoles in Japan the more and more the Japanese gamers will start latching on to those consoles.

Japan accounts for more than a third of global software and hardware revenue, and is a major determinant in terms of third party support for a system.charizard1605

Nintendo must really want to be the only handheld on the market. That, or they really hate sony. First, they drop the price substancially. Second, they rush a second analogue pad to stores before sonys launch(the one thing sony had on the vita that is clearily better for controls). And third, get sonys most popular game in japan and release it exclusively on 3ds right before the vita launches, taking all attention away from the vita. If thats not a nasty kick to sonys nuts, then idk what is........lets just hope sony pulls it together and turns the heat up on the vita. I dont want such a beautiful handheld to go to waste Furbyballistik

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Are you sure thats right? That would make it a bigger market than the whole of Europe combined and almost on a par with the US? :?

blue_hazy_basic

Lol, no, he's not right.

94 million Wii sold - 12 million of them were sold in Japan

64 million 360s sold - 1.5 million of them were sold in Japan

61 million PS3s sold - 7.7 million of them were sold in Japan

15 million 3DS sold - 4.6 million of them were sold in Japan

Keep in mind that the Wii, PS3 and 3DS had a major head start in Japan being released many months earlier than other regions.

Japan sales are insignificant when you look at the big picture. Japan doesn't dictate if a product fails, the wallets of Europeans and Americans are what matters. I'll wait until Vita releases in Europe and USA before I make any bold claims like "IT FAILED"!!

I agree.

And yeah, Japan makes up about 10% of the market, which is very insignificant compared to USA and Europe. I mean, come on, how could you say Vita is dead when it is only available in Japan? The 360 has only sold 1.5 million units in Japan, that's right, 1.5 million units. So the 360 must me the most monumental failure in the history of gaming by a large margin, except for the fact that it is successful in the markets that actually matter which are Europe and America.

In short, you can't proclaim something dead until it releases in Europe and America, because those are where the sales come from, not Japan.

Second, they rush a second analogue pad to stores before sonys launch(the one thing sony had on the vita that is clearily better for controls). Furbyballistik

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

Lol, no, he's not right.

94 million Wii sold - 12 million of them were sold in Japan

64 million 360s sold - 1.5 million of them were sold in Japan

61 million PS3s sold - 7.7 million of them were sold in Japan

15 million 3DS sold - 4.6 million of them were sold in Japan

Keep in mind that the Wii, PS3 and 3DS had a major head start in Japan being released many months earlier than other regions.

Japan sales are insignificant when you look at the big picture. Japan doesn't dictate if a product fails, the wallets of Europeans and Americans are what matters. I'll wait until Vita releases in Europe and USA before I make any bold claims like "IT FAILED"!!

I agree.

And yeah, Japan makes up about 10% of the market, which is very insignificant compared to USA and Europe. I mean, come on, how could you say Vita is dead when it is only available in Japan? The 360 has only sold 1.5 million units in Japan, that's right, 1.5 million units. So the 360 must me the most monumental failure in the history of gaming by a large margin, except for the fact that it is successful in the markets that actually matter which are Europe and America.

In short, you can't proclaim something dead until it releases in Europe and America, because those are where the sales come from, not Japan.

The 360 has only sold 1.5 million units in Japan, that's right, 1.5 million units. >arkephonic

look at those System Sales.

The Vita beat the DS and Wii!

In fact Sony Systems are like Back to Back behind the 3DS.

It's not a Total Nintendomanation if 3 of Sony's Gaming Products are just behind the 3DS.

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] If your figures are right its about 10% of the console/handheld hardware market, which seems about right. It does sell alot of games for those, but its PC market is really small. Japan has become a periphal figure in the overall world market, compared to a superpower in previos gens.blue_hazy_basic

I agree.

And yeah, Japan makes up about 10% of the market, which is very insignificant compared to USA and Europe. I mean, come on, how could you say Vita is dead when it is only available in Japan? The 360 has only sold 1.5 million units in Japan, that's right, 1.5 million units. So the 360 must me the most monumental failure in the history of gaming by a large margin, except for the fact that it is successful in the markets that actually matter which are Europe and America.

In short, you can't proclaim something dead until it releases in Europe and America, because those are where the sales come from, not Japan.

What games released on Vita are popular in Japan anyways? I know Japan doesn't like Uncharted or Resistance, so what else is there out right now that would even appeal to a Japanese audience? They need to start stacking the JRPGs like they did with PSP, you know, release games for the system that actually appeal to the Japanese audience. They don't like the Western kind of games that I see out for it right now.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

I agree.

And yeah, Japan makes up about 10% of the market, which is very insignificant compared to USA and Europe. I mean, come on, how could you say Vita is dead when it is only available in Japan? The 360 has only sold 1.5 million units in Japan, that's right, 1.5 million units. So the 360 must me the most monumental failure in the history of gaming by a large margin, except for the fact that it is successful in the markets that actually matter which are Europe and America.

In short, you can't proclaim something dead until it releases in Europe and America, because those are where the sales come from, not Japan.

What games released on Vita are popular in Japan anyways? I know Japan doesn't like Uncharted or Resistance, so what else is there out right now that would even appeal to a Japanese audience? They need to start stacking the JRPGs like they did with PSP, you know, release games for the system that actually appeal to the Japanese audience. They don't like the Western kind of games that I see out for it right now.

[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]Second, they rush a second analogue pad to stores before sonys launch(the one thing sony had on the vita that is clearily better for controls). CajunShooter

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Handhelds are huge in Japan though. Will be hard for the vita to last without Japan. What Sony need are a couple of huge games and people will start fad buying them.blue_hazy_basic

What games released on Vita are popular in Japan anyways? I know Japan doesn't like Uncharted or Resistance, so what else is there out right now that would even appeal to a Japanese audience? They need to start stacking the JRPGs like they did with PSP, you know, release games for the system that actually appeal to the Japanese audience. They don't like the Western kind of games that I see out for it right now.

So one would only assume that the Vita would do significantly better in Europe and USA than it would in Japan based simply on the fact that the current launch library consists of games that appeal to western gamers more than they do eastern gamers. It's really no surprise that the thing is bombing in Japan, there aren't even any games out for it that they like over there. The Vita was totally built from the ground up to have a successful launch in an area like Europe or the USA based on the launch lineup, which is probably not a bad idea because like I said, that's where the majority of the sales come from, not from Japan.

Too bad. Maybe a worldwide release or a price drop will help the Vita pick up in sales. Personally, I think its a pretty badass device.

What games released on Vita are popular in Japan anyways? I know Japan doesn't like Uncharted or Resistance, so what else is there out right now that would even appeal to a Japanese audience? They need to start stacking the JRPGs like they did with PSP, you know, release games for the system that actually appeal to the Japanese audience. They don't like the Western kind of games that I see out for it right now.

arkephonic

• Army Corps of Hell
• BlazBlue
• Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3
• Hot Shots Golf
• Disgaea 3
• Lord of Apocalypse
• Katamari

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="arkephonic"]

What games released on Vita are popular in Japan anyways? I know Japan doesn't like Uncharted or Resistance, so what else is there out right now that would even appeal to a Japanese audience? They need to start stacking the JRPGs like they did with PSP, you know, release games for the system that actually appeal to the Japanese audience. They don't like the Western kind of games that I see out for it right now.

So one would only assume that the Vita would do significantly better in Europe and USA than it would in Japan based simply on the fact that the current launch library consists of games that appeal to western gamers more than they do eastern gamers. It's really no surprise that the thing is bombing in Japan, there aren't even any games out for it that they like over there. The Vita was totally built from the ground up to have a successful launch in an area like Europe or the USA based on the launch lineup, which is probably not a bad idea because like I said, that's where the majority of the sales come from, not from Japan.

It has been 7 years. You would think nintendo wouldve learned this before releasing the 3ds. They didnt announce their second pad til aftet the vita was announced. I'd say it was more of a tactic against sony.Furbyballistik

18k lol.

look at those System Sales.

The Vita beat the DS and Wii!

In fact Sony Systems are like Back to Back behind the 3DS.

It's not a Total Nintendomanation if 3 of Sony's Gaming Products are just behind the 3DS.

LegatoSkyheart

[QUOTE="arkephonic"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Thats what I mean. JRPGs sell hardware in Japan.blue_hazy_basic

So one would only assume that the Vita would do significantly better in Europe and USA than it would in Japan based simply on the fact that the current launch library consists of games that appeal to western gamers more than they do eastern gamers. It's really no surprise that the thing is bombing in Japan, there aren't even any games out for it that they like over there. The Vita was totally built from the ground up to have a successful launch in an area like Europe or the USA based on the launch lineup, which is probably not a bad idea because like I said, that's where the majority of the sales come from, not from Japan.

That's true. I'm not proclaiming to have a crystal ball and the ability to see into the future, but I'm just saying, hold off on saying the device is "dead" until it releases in EU and US, the more impactful regions in terms of sales.

I have a 3DS and I love the thing, and I'm not even 100% sure if I'm going to buy a Vita, so it's not like I'm blindly supporting the device here, I'm just using pure logic here. Hell, I bet when it is all said and done, the 3DS will sell twice as much as the Vita, but that doesn't mean the Vita is going to die or is going to fail.

People are just overreacting, that's all.

do people in the west care enough about handhelds still for another one to launch with smartphones, tablets like ipad and ipod and other products all competing for the same essiential market?blue_hazy_basic

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]do people in the west care enough about handhelds still for another one to launch with smartphones, tablets like ipad and ipod and other products all competing for the same essiential market?CajunShooter

So why should SW care about Vita's release in the West when handhelds are more unpopular there compared to Japan?lordlors

who cares about japan even germany is bigger marketHFkami

[QUOTE="Furbyballistik"]It has been 7 years. You would think nintendo wouldve learned this before releasing the 3ds. They didnt announce their second pad til aftet the vita was announced. I'd say it was more of a tactic against sony.CajunShooter

[ i don't know. Judging from their success with the wii, ds, and now 3ds, they probably don't think they need to work on a great online network for their hardware. It's a shame really. Furbyballistik

• PS3 > Wii > 360
• PSP > DS versions
• PS2 >
• 3DS > Vita

Almost a clean sweep for the mighty Playstation Family.

Nike_Air

he answered!!! must of been the 10 comments proving him wrong.

wii60 beats ps3 in the holidays and in slect months :P..in japan..in usa wii60 beats ps3 evryday..

[QUOTE="HFkami"]who cares about japan even germany is bigger marketBrunoBRS

It is actually. I remember hearing something about australia passing japan too, could be wrong though.

The Handheld Wars of "We are all doomed":

[QUOTE="Japan"]

----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week # |    GBA*   |    NDS    |    PSP    |    3DS    |    PSV    |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week 1 |   611,504 |   468,883 |   160,019 |   374,764 |   324,859 |  | Week 2 |   323,686 |   198,892 |    85,059 |   209,623 |    72,479 |  | Week 3 |   197,421 |   221,625 |   107,217 |    96,463 |    42,648 |  | Week 4 |   139,499 |   396,674 |   129,957 |    61,394 |    42,915 |  | Week 5 |    95,324 |   209,522 |    62,052 |    50,710 |    18,361 |  | Week 6 |   141,090 |   108,561 |    64,602 |    42,979 |           |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | TOTAL**| 1,367,434 | 1,495,596 |   544,304 |   792,954 |   501,262 |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

*Tracker for GBA is Famitsu, everything else is Media Create.
**Total for up to Week 5.

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

The Handheld Wars of "We are all doomed":

[QUOTE="Japan"]

----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week # |    GBA*   |    NDS    |    PSP    |    3DS    |    PSV    |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week 1 |   611,504 |   468,883 |   160,019 |   374,764 |   324,859 |  | Week 2 |   323,686 |   198,892 |    85,059 |   209,623 |    72,479 |  | Week 3 |   197,421 |   221,625 |   107,217 |    96,463 |    42,648 |  | Week 4 |   139,499 |   396,674 |   129,957 |    61,394 |    42,915 |  | Week 5 |    95,324 |   209,522 |    62,052 |    50,710 |    18,361 |  | Week 6 |   141,090 |   108,561 |    64,602 |    42,979 |           |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | TOTAL**| 1,413,200 | 1,394,635 |   546,854 |   785,223 |   501,262 |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

*Tracker for GBA is Famitsu, everything else is Media Create.
**Total for up to Week 5.

That Chart doesnt make the Vita look that bad but they need a system seller too kick start it's sales

[QUOTE="EPaul"]

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

The Handheld Wars of "We are all doomed":

[QUOTE="Japan"]

----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week # |    GBA*   |    NDS    |    PSP    |    3DS    |    PSV    |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | Week 1 |   611,504 |   468,883 |   160,019 |   374,764 |   324,859 |  | Week 2 |   323,686 |   198,892 |    85,059 |   209,623 |    72,479 |  | Week 3 |   197,421 |   221,625 |   107,217 |    96,463 |    42,648 |  | Week 4 |   139,499 |   396,674 |   129,957 |    61,394 |    42,915 |  | Week 5 |    95,324 |   209,522 |    62,052 |    50,710 |    18,361 |  | Week 6 |   141,090 |   108,561 |    64,602 |    42,979 |           |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------  | TOTAL**| 1,413,200 | 1,394,635 |   546,854 |   785,223 |   501,262 |  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

*Tracker for GBA is Famitsu, everything else is Media Create.
**Total for up to Week 5.

That Chart doesnt make the Vita look that bad but they need a system seller too kick start it's sales

FFXIII-2 isn't really selling well. Wonder how SE will take this.

3DS is only selling because nobody wants to pollute their house with a Wii.

3DS is only selling because nobody wants to pollute their house with a Wii.

ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="lordlors"] So why should SW care about Vita's release in the West when handhelds are more unpopular there compared to Japan?CajunShooter

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"]

So why should SW care about Vita's release in the West when handhelds are more unpopular there compared to Japan?lordlors

FFXIII-2 isn't really selling well. Wonder how SE will take this.

whiskeystrike

proboly rethink 13-3. Which even though I enjoy13 andproboly will enjoy 13-2. 13-3 is pushing it a bit. Just focuse on finishing other projects.

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

FFXIII-2 isn't really selling well. Wonder how SE will take this.

finalfantasy94

proboly rethink 13-3. Which even though I enjoy13 andproboly will enjoy 13-2. 13-3 is pushing it a bit. Just focuse on finishing other projects.

That Chart doesnt make the Vita look that bad but they need a system seller too kick start it's sales

EPaul

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

[QUOTE="CajunShooter"] Because the West buys a lot of them

blue_hazy_basic

Sony is an awful company

This is Japanese sales! Japanese sales=/= world. Why are we talking about Japanes sales and not worldwide sales? Japanese people are biased. Sales don't matter anymore. I can't play sales. Why do people post these sales threads? Wait none of these have been spammed endlessly by cows in this thread like they do page after page in NPD threads??!?!?! I wonder why? :)blue_hazy_basic

They aren't comparatively as popular but there are alot more people in the West than Japan :|blue_hazy_basic

There are 306 million people living in the USA

The avg household size is 2.6 people

Doing some quick math and you get 86 million potential gaming households.

The population of Japan is 127 million.

The avg household size in Japan is 2.5 people

Would mean that there are 50.8 million households in Japan

Now even at 100% gaming adoption in Japanese households they have 35 million less gaming households.

Keeping it safe and saying the Japanese have about a 75% household gaming percent that would mean 38 million potential gaming households. 85 million for the US vs 38 million for Japan. Let's say Vita adoption is similar in America to what it is in Japan. 1.32% of gaming households in Japan own a Vita making up the 500,000 Vita sells.

If the USA during the same span of time the Vita would be projected to sell 1.122 million units during its first month on the market.

Of course nothing is ever going to be exactly the same and even then the sales are only a little over double what Japan has done, but the American market is potentially double that of the Japanese market.

Had it been a worldwide release and taking into account the European market the Vita could have sold over 2 million in its first month on the market which is respectable.

the vita is still early in its life, once more japanese games hit it will start going high, wodner if we'll see a price drop, i know for sure in Japan is far more than just $250 in there

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] They aren't comparatively as popular but there are alot more people in the West than Japan :|CajunShooter

There are 306 million people living in the USA

The avg household size is 2.6 people

Doing some quick math and you get 86 million potential gaming households.

The population of Japan is 127 million.

The avg household size in Japan is 2.5 people

Would mean that there are 50.8 million households in Japan

Now even at 100% gaming adoption in Japanese households they have 35 million less gaming households.

Keeping it safe and saying the Japanese have about a 75% household gaming percent that would mean 38 million potential gaming households. 85 million for the US vs 38 million for Japan. Let's say Vita adoption is similar in America to what it is in Japan. 1.32% of gaming households in Japan own a Vita making up the 500,000 Vita sells.

If the USA during the same span of time the Vita would be projected to sell 1.122 million units during its first month on the market.

Of course nothing is ever going to be exactly the same and even then the sales are only a little over double what Japan has done, but the American market is potentially double that of the Japanese market.

Had it been a worldwide release and taking into account the European market the Vita could have sold over 2 million in its first month on the market which is respectable.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]This is Japanese sales! Japanese sales=/= world. Why are we talking about Japanes sales and not worldwide sales? Japanese people are biased. Sales don't matter anymore. I can't play sales. Why do people post these sales threads? Wait none of these have been spammed endlessly by cows in this thread like they do page after page in NPD threads??!?!?! I wonder why? :)shinrabanshou