Metal Gear Solid: Rising 2010 vs. 2011

2010

Vs.

2011

The original Rising was announced as a game where you can chop up anything. The development staff quickly created just that. However, they felt that this alone would be insufficient.

The original Rising got to the point where the staff no longer knew what the core of the game should be. At some point, Kojima said that the project probably would not be able to be completed. However, the staff insisted that it could be done.

In the end, they cancelled the project. At this point, they'd already fleshed out many areas outside of the game design component, like the story and the motion capture.

One day, Kojima leaned that members of Platinum Games had come to the Kojima Productions studio. Platinum said that it's unfortunate that the game was in a half done state. They were so excited about the project that they took over.

The title was changed because the game is different from the Metal Gear Solid series. It's a new Metal Gear. Hideki Kamiya is not the game's director. The director will be announced later.

When restarting the project, they were originally going to use the original story. After Platinum received the data from Kojima Productions, they said they wanted to remake the story.

And thus, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance was born! :o

Video comparison: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKy0-pbGG3w

:lol: 2011, definitely.

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

Was that original demo playing on real ps3/360 hardware? I much prefer the look of Kojima over the ninja gaiden folk. However, I'm just going to assume that somebody thought the original game was just....bad?

looked like crap from the get go!!daveg1

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

razgriz_101

Well they had to downgrade graphics to go from 30 to 60fps, but it still looks good.

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

razgriz_101

false. original Rising was supposed to be like MGS. you use swords and whatnot, but it still incorporates stealth. just look at the 2010 trailer. Raiden was hiding then he surprised the android, and then taking its vital parts and absorbing the energy. so basically you can cut anything, but your power was limited apparently, and to recharge you had to kill enemies. sounds and looks very much like MGS. quite strategic.

2011 Rising is just a Bayonetta game. graphics look even worse because it's the Platinum Engine. it's not like i hate Platinum (they're not Ninja Theory, LOL), but Rising was supposed to feel like an MGS game even though it;s a spinoff.

oh well. if i were one of the game designers i'd make it so their much-touted "cut anything" will be limited. it seems like that idea was the one that destroyed the game. why? because if Raiden can cut anything (like vehicles), it would be very hard to design a level with that core gameplay. you can basically cut every obstacle so yeah...if i were designing that, i'll keep the slower gameplay, with stealth, very strategy-focused gameplay, need to recharge, and could not cut through everything. i'll make Raiden not be able to take down a Gekko with one swing.

Was that original demo playing on real ps3/360 hardware? I much prefer the look of Kojima over the ninja gaiden folk. However, I'm just going to assume that somebody thought the original game was just....bad?

Heirren

first one was using FOX engine, second one uses PLATINUM engine. you can't just make an engine look like another one. besides, it's not just the graphics, but the core gameplay themselves are different. Raiden moves differently in the FOX engine. like, everything is different. lighting is rendered differently, camera panning, animations, etc. FOX engine was probably made for stealth systems and PLATINUM wanted to make a straight-up action game.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

Was that original demo playing on real ps3/360 hardware? I much prefer the look of Kojima over the ninja gaiden folk. However, I'm just going to assume that somebody thought the original game was just....bad?

rumbalumba

first one was using FOX engine, second one uses PLATINUM engine. you can't just make an engine look like another one. besides, it's not just the graphics, but the core gameplay themselves are different. Raiden moves differently in the FOX engine. like, everything is different. lighting is rendered differently, camera panning, animations, etc. FOX engine was probably made for stealth systems and PLATINUM wanted to make a straight-up action game.

I'm not doubting you, but wasn't the reveal of the FOX engine with the little african kid? I thought that was the first time they showed the engine, no?

I will say that the first showing looked more unique, but then again you really have to play the game to judge.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

waltefmoney

Well they had to downgrade graphics to go from 30 to 60fps, but it still looks good.

60fps is the best thing for hack n slash its more smooth.Going from God of war to even DMC4 it really shows its the only genre i really care bout a framerate.

I've done far too much research on Kojima and Konami over the last decade and especially this recent 'Rising' news. We are seeing two different games in motion essentially. Long story short. I watched too many videos, listened to podcasts, read too many interviews...and what I came away with was that personally I just hope this new version of the game works out and is great. :P

Lucky for me I'm a fan of Konami, Kojima, and Platinum games. :P

Still, I have to wonder what game Platinum put on hold to get Rising up and running. I wonder where Hideki Kamiya is at (He's not involved with Rising), is he making Bayonetta 2? I have a lot of questions, but I'm sure next year I'll get more answers.

looked like crap from the get go!!daveg1

It doesn't look that bad. :P

Actual games > Tech Demos.

The game is just trying to make money off the Metal Gear name. Unless it has an actually compelling story and interesting characters in it, this is going to be nothing more than another pointless action game.

Metal Gear is a stealth franchise, and not having stealth gameplay in ANY Metal Gear game is simply horrible. It's like justifying turning Mario into a first person shooter.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

waltefmoney

Well they had to downgrade graphics to go from 30 to 60fps, but it still looks good.

look at raiden in mgs4 and the ridiculous stuff he was doing in that game. windmilling two metal gears, sword fighting.... without arms. his game was going to be insane with action anyway.

Finally, MGS.... I wonder what the 'S' stands for... could it be SOLID? I know there is a SOLID Snake. Is there a SOLID Raiden? No? Then why the**** would they make a game about Raiden with the "Solid" moniker?

The game is just trying to make money off the Metal Gear name. Unless it has an actually compelling story and interesting characters in it, this is going to be nothing more than another pointless action game.

Metal Gear is a stealth franchise, and not having stealth gameplay in ANY Metal Gear game is simply horrible. It's like justifying turning Mario into a first person shooter.

xYamatox

[QUOTE="waltefmoney"]

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

looks the same only added with special efffects really.

We all knew in the back of our heads this was gonna be a hack n slash with a metal gear badge and a cyborg ninja nad inb4 controlled cutting, thats confirmed to be in the new version im sure.

lucky_star

Well they had to downgrade graphics to go from 30 to 60fps, but it still looks good.

2010. Honestly, the new build has nothing on the old god-like animations.

look at raiden in mgs4 and the ridiculous stuff he was doing in that game. windmilling two metal gears, sword fighting.... without arms. his game was going to be insane with action anyway.

Finally, MGS.... I wonder what the 'S' stands for... could it be SOLID? I know there is a SOLID Snake. Is there a SOLID Raiden? No? Then why the**** would they make a game about Raiden with the "Solid" moniker?

lowkey254

They removed the Solid.

[QUOTE="lowkey254"]

look at raiden in mgs4 and the ridiculous stuff he was doing in that game. windmilling two metal gears, sword fighting.... without arms. his game was going to be insane with action anyway.

Finally, MGS.... I wonder what the 'S' stands for... could it be SOLID? I know there is a SOLID Snake. Is there a SOLID Raiden? No? Then why the**** would they make a game about Raiden with the "Solid" moniker?

el3m2tigre

They removed the Solid.

The game is confirmed to run at 60fps. Be prepared next year my console fanboys for a subHD experience to an already ugly looking game.

To be honest a game like this doesnt need to be gfx king, to me atleast I like the sound of chopping everything up, so gameplay all the way. Its a nevelty that should take a few days to wear off!

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

The game is just trying to make money off the Metal Gear name. Unless it has an actually compelling story and interesting characters in it, this is going to be nothing more than another pointless action game.

Metal Gear is a stealth franchise, and not having stealth gameplay in ANY Metal Gear game is simply horrible. It's like justifying turning Mario into a first person shooter.

BrunoBRS

I don't see the appeal of Rising 2010. It really didn't look that good. Hell the developers didn't know what the game should be like. The core concept of just slashing everything in one-hit sounds boring.

Rising 2011 isn't that much better either though.

The 2010 version looks much better and much better graphically than the 2011 version. I'm suprised the MGS4 engine has held up so well.

Though I did not like the Revengeance trailer at all, I was disappointed but I will give the game a chance. Besides, it was only a 2 minute trailer, nothing to go on.

you do realize there must of been good reasons why the last one was canceled Diviniuz

Where did I state otherwise? I even posted an explanation in the OP about why the old MGS: Rising was cancelled.