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[QUOTE="jack_russel"]you've gotta be joking, you honestly think metroid prime and pokemon aren't first party nintendo games? thats not what second party is. you have your terms mixed up.yoshi_64

No, [metroid prime] is not first party. Metroid: Zero Mission and Fusion were however. I'm not kidding, I know what I'm saying. Pokemon isn't made by Nintendo, it's made by game freak. However, Nintendo themselves own Game Freak. They are the publisher and handle the liscensing deals if someone wishes to have anything like merchandise and other products with Pokemon. Pokemon games to my knowledge have always been second party. That doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own the Pokemon liscense though. Same with Sony and their deal on Insomniac's Ratchet or Resistance. Naughty Dog and so on. They are still second party devs though, because even if Sony owns them, and they develop games for Sony, doesn't make them Sony's first party.

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This is true. They are second party. Pokemon is developed by GameFreak, not Nintendo, and Metroid Prime is developed by Retro, not Nintendo.

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Wow, I feel honored to be quoted, thanks. :) Prime is made by Retro, anyone knows that. I never said that Metroid itself, the brand name, and liscense isn't owned by Ninty, nor is Pokemon. The games though like Metroid Prime, Pokemon Rangers, Pokemon main games and so on were developed by second parties. MP: H is the only "Prime" series made by NST. A first party company.

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Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.

A second-party is a company that develops exclusively for a console maker, with the console-maker publishing. SK used to be an example of this, and Insomniac is currently a good example.

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#5 m_machine024

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I think he meant they're 2nd party.

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Wow you made a thread just for this? :|

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#7 Nintendo_Ownes7

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]you've gotta be joking, you honestly think metroid prime and pokemon aren't first party nintendo games? thats not what second party is. you have your terms mixed up.jack_russel

No, [metroid prime] is not first party. Metroid: Zero Mission and Fusion were however. I'm not kidding, I know what I'm saying.
Pokemon isn't made by Nintendo, it's made by game freak. However, Nintendo themselves own Game Freak. They are the publisher and handle the liscensing deals if someone wishes to have anything like merchandise and other products with Pokemon. Pokemon games to my knowledge have always been second party. That doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own the Pokemon liscense though. Same with Sony and their deal on Insomniac's Ratchet or Resistance. Naughty Dog and so on. They are still second party devs though, because even if Sony owns them, and they develop games for Sony, doesn't make them Sony's first party.

:lol:

Pokemon is 2nd Party because Gamefreak isn't fully owned by Nintendo, but Metroid Prime is 1st party because Retro Studios is owned fully by Nintendo.

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#8 Dragonblade01

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Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Teufelhuhn

second party, not first

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Dragonblade01

second party, not first

I edited my post to explain what a second-party is.

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Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Teufelhuhn

MS owns Bungie and Rare, but I do know they aren't first party. Rare even still is allowed to make games for the Nintendo handhelds. Bungie I know has other games on the mac they owned, not by MS either. I think the Halo liscense could be owned by MS, but that I'm not sure of. However, Gamefreak and Retro are still second party devs by Nintendo.

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Well this topic sure was worth clicking on.

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Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Teufelhuhn

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

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Retro is now owned by Nintendo, and therefore is a first party.

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#14 Nintendo_Ownes7

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This is true. They are second party. Pokemon is developed by GameFreak, not Nintendo, and Metroid Prime is developed by Retro, not Nintendo.nyoroism

Retro is First Party but Gamefreak isn't, because Retro is owned 100% by Nintendo, and Gamefreak is either owned partially or just under contract with Nintendo.

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Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.
A second-party is a company that develops exclusively for a console maker, with the console-maker publishing. SK used to be an example of this, and Insomniac is currently a good example.
Teufelhuhn

Camelot used to be what one could consider that, but never were owned for Nintendo, and yet were responsible for many Nintendo games. Second parties can be owned by the company, to an extent where they only develop games for one company. Rare was owend by Nintendo of 49 percent I believe, but Nintendo never owned Goldeneye, Banjo, or any game except for Donkey Kong made by rare.

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#16 jack_russel

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.nyoroism

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

but if your dad is "john johnson" and you're "rob johnson" then the game is a "johnson game". thats what first party is.

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.yoshi_64

MS owns Bungie and Rare, but I do know they aren't first party. Rare even still is allowed to make games for the Nintendo handhelds. Bungie I know has other games on the mac they owned, not by MS either. I think the Halo liscense could be owned by MS, but that I'm not sure of. However, Gamefreak and Retro are still second party devs by Nintendo.

Bungie made games for the Mac before they were bought by MS (Halo was originally intended for Mac's and PC's). Rare is wholly owned by MS just like Bungie, but they make DS games because MS has no handheld for them to develop for.

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In case anyone is doubting me...

In the video game industry, a second-party developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any consolemanufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial ownership and makes games specifically for that console manufacturer.

The defining characteristic is that a second-party developer is a company completely separate from the manufacturer, while first-party developers are considered to be a "division" of the console maker itself.

A second-party developer should not be confused with an internal first-party studio. For example, Intelligent Systems, developers of the original Metroid games, is an internal Nintendo studio and therefore not second-party. Camelot Software Planning, developer of the Golden Sun, Mario Golf and Mario Tennis games, is an example of a second-party developer.

The term "second-party" however, is not an official business term like "first-party" and "third-party", but is used simply to distinguish between third-party developers who develop games for various video game consoles, and developers who while still a third-party, provide software only for a single video-game console.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-party_developer

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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]This is true. They are second party. Pokemon is developed by GameFreak, not Nintendo, and Metroid Prime is developed by Retro, not Nintendo.Nintendo_Ownes7

Retro is First Party but Gamefreak isn't, because Retro is owned 100% by Nintendo, and Gamefreak is either owned partially or just under contract with Nintendo.

Ah, this is correct. My mistake on Metroid. Pokemon still is second-party, though.

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#20 Nintendo_Ownes7

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.yoshi_64

MS owns Bungie and Rare, but I do know they aren't first party. Rare even still is allowed to make games for the Nintendo handhelds. Bungie I know has other games on the mac they owned, not by MS either. I think the Halo liscense could be owned by MS, but that I'm not sure of. However, Gamefreak and Retro are still second party devs by Nintendo.

Rare is 1st party with Microsoft and the only reason they are allowed to make games for Nintendo Handhelds is because Microsoft doesn't make a Handheld so Microsoft doesn't care what handheld Rare makes a game for since Microsoft will be getting money from it.

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Retro is now owned by Nintendo, and therefore is a first party.hamumu

Retro was owned by Nintendo long ago, I believe after MP was introduced. Yet, they are considered second party, because they are just a subdivision or company owned by another larger company. Retro so far hasn't made any games other than MP that are their own, but they can own their games, and if they ended up going like Rare did, they could take their games with them if they were not owned by Nintendo. Rare left and took Banjo with them. Nintendo owned Rare at a time, but not their games. That is second party.

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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.jack_russel

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

but if your dad is "john johnson" and you're "rob johnson" then the game is a "johnson game". thats what first party is.

Sorry for citing Wikipedia for proof, but..

GAME FREAK, Inc. (ゲームフリーク, Gēmu Furīku?) is the Japanesevideo game developer behind the Pokémon series of RPGs, as well as several other games. It is a second-party developer for Nintendo.

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#24 StealthSting

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Um it was some time ago but Retro is now fully owned by Nintendo. It is a first party developer. Sorry its the first thing I could think of, so...... Yeah....... Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Studios

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[QUOTE="hamumu"]Retro is now owned by Nintendo, and therefore is a first party.yoshi_64

Retro was owned by Nintendo long ago, I believe after MP was introduced. Yet, they are considered second party, because they are just a subdivision or company owned by another larger company. Retro so far hasn't made any games other than MP that are their own, but they can own their games, and if they ended up going like Rare did, they could take their games with them if they were not owned by Nintendo. Rare left and took Banjo with them. Nintendo owned Rare at a time, but not their games. That is second party.

As much as I want to agree with you, I think you're wrong here. Again, sorry to cite the Wiki as proof, but..

Retro Studios is an Americanvideo game developer based in Austin, Texas, USA. It was founded in 1998 by Jeff Spangenberg as a second-party developer to Japan-based video game company Nintendo. It is currently wholly owned by Nintendo (and is thus a first-party developer, rather than a second-party one as it once was), with over 50 employees.

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[QUOTE="hamumu"]Retro is now owned by Nintendo, and therefore is a first party.yoshi_64

Retro was owned by Nintendo long ago, I believe after MP was introduced. Yet, they are considered second party, because they are just a subdivision or company owned by another larger company. Retro so far hasn't made any games other than MP that are their own, but they can own their games, and if they ended up going like Rare did, they could take their games with them if they were not owned by Nintendo. Rare left and took Banjo with them. Nintendo owned Rare at a time, but not their games. That is second party.

It doesn't matter if they're a subdivision of the company, they're still considered first party as long as a parent company owns them and places the company under their name.

Retro is owned by Nintendo, and makes Nintendo published games only.

Taken from teh official Retro Studio's site.

"Retro Studios, founded in 1998, is a wholly owned subsidiary of Nintendo Company, Ltd. "

Fully owned, therefore, part of the company, therefore first party.

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[QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Teufelhuhn

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

Nintendo owns GameFreak. GameFreak is therefore an internal development studio of Nintendo.

Is that why they made

Sony PlayStation

Click Medic (クリックメディック) (1999, Sony)

This is after Pokemon was released.

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="hamumu"]Retro is now owned by Nintendo, and therefore is a first party.nyoroism

Retro was owned by Nintendo long ago, I believe after MP was introduced. Yet, they are considered second party, because they are just a subdivision or company owned by another larger company. Retro so far hasn't made any games other than MP that are their own, but they can own their games, and if they ended up going like Rare did, they could take their games with them if they were not owned by Nintendo. Rare left and took Banjo with them. Nintendo owned Rare at a time, but not their games. That is second party.

As much as I want to agree with you, I think you're wrong here. Again, sorry to cite the Wiki as proof, but..

Retro Studios is an Americanvideo game developer based in Austin, Texas, USA. It was founded in 1998 by Jeff Spangenberg as a second-party developer to Japan-based video game company Nintendo. It is currently wholly owned by Nintendo (and is thus a first-party developer, rather than a second-party one as it once was), with over 50 employees.

Ok, well I guess so. Hmm.. too bad I need to leave and do my laundry. :x oh well, I guess I feel famous for being quoted. :P

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Hmm...apparently I was wrong about Game Freak, Nintendo doesn't own them. My apologies. :oops:

But Retro most certainly is owned by Nintendo, says so right on their website.

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#30 jack_russel

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.nyoroism

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

but if your dad is "john johnson" and you're "rob johnson" then the game is a "johnson game". thats what first party is.

Sorry for citing Wikipedia for proof, but..

GAME FREAK, Inc. (ゲームフリーク, Gēmu Furīku?) is the Japanesevideo game developer behind the Pokémon series of RPGs, as well as several other games. It is a second-party developer for Nintendo.

wow, if we wanna go by that kirby and supersmash bros. are also 2nd party seeing as Hal is a second party " It is a second-party development studio of Nintendo." Wikipida link

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#31 Dragonblade01

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[QUOTE="Dragonblade01"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.Teufelhuhn

second party, not first

I edited my post to explain what a second-party is.

oh, alrighty

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#32 Devil-Itachi

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They're first party as they are fully owned by Nintendo. Definition of second party.

In the video game industry, a second-party developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any console manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial ownership and makes games specifically for that console manufacturer.

The defining characteristic is that a second-party developer is a company completely separate from the manufacturer, while first-party developers are considered to be a "division" of the console maker itself.

A second-party developer should not be confused with an internal first-party studio. For example, Intelligent Systems, developers of the original Metroid games, is an internal Nintendo studio and therefore not second-party. Camelot Software Planning, developer of the Golden Sun, Mario Golf and Mario Tennis games, is an example of a second-party developer.

The term "second-party" however, is not an official business term like "first-party" and "third-party", but is used simply to distinguish between third-party developers who develop games for various video game consoles, and developers who while still a third-party, provide software only for a single video-game console.

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Hmm...apparently I was wrong about Game Freak, Nintendo doesn't own them. My apologies. :oops:
But Retro most certainly is owned by Nintendo, says so right on their website.
Teufelhuhn

This is hilarious. We were wrong about Retro, and you were wrong about Game Freak. This thread sort of spreads out 50/50!

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[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.nyoroism

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

Nintendo owns GameFreak. GameFreak is therefore an internal development studio of Nintendo.

Is that why they made

Sony PlayStation

Click Medic (クリックメディック) (1999, Sony)

This is after Pokemon was released.

I thought Nintendo owned Game Freak, I was wrong. :P

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[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.jack_russel

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

but if your dad is "john johnson" and you're "rob johnson" then the game is a "johnson game". thats what first party is.

Sorry for citing Wikipedia for proof, but..

GAME FREAK, Inc. (ゲームフリーク, Gēmu Furīku?) is the Japanesevideo game developer behind the Pokémon series of RPGs, as well as several other games. It is a second-party developer for Nintendo.

wow, if we wanna go by that kirby and supersmash bros. are also 2nd party seeing as Hal is a second party

" It is a second-party development studio of Nintendo."

Wikipida link

They sure are.

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#36 jack_russel

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Mario and Luigi: partners in time for the DS is also second party going by wikipida Wikipida Link

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[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]you've gotta be joking, you honestly think metroid prime and pokemon aren't first party nintendo games? thats not what second party is. you have your terms mixed up.jack_russel

No, [metroid prime] is not first party. Metroid: Zero Mission and Fusion were however. I'm not kidding, I know what I'm saying. Pokemon isn't made by Nintendo, it's made by game freak. However, Nintendo themselves own Game Freak. They are the publisher and handle the liscensing deals if someone wishes to have anything like merchandise and other products with Pokemon. Pokemon games to my knowledge have always been second party. That doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own the Pokemon liscense though. Same with Sony and their deal on Insomniac's Ratchet or Resistance. Naughty Dog and so on. They are still second party devs though, because even if Sony owns them, and they develop games for Sony, doesn't make them Sony's first party.

:lol:

Retro are indeed a second party, good on ya. However, the Metroid franchise is owned by Nintendo, and so while the Prime series is second party the original games and ownership of the actual franchise is first party. Pokemon is also second party, don't get what the argument there is about.

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#38 jack_russel

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]you've gotta be joking, you honestly think metroid prime and pokemon aren't first party nintendo games? thats not what second party is. you have your terms mixed up.1SleepyGit

No, [metroid prime] is not first party. Metroid: Zero Mission and Fusion were however. I'm not kidding, I know what I'm saying. Pokemon isn't made by Nintendo, it's made by game freak. However, Nintendo themselves own Game Freak. They are the publisher and handle the liscensing deals if someone wishes to have anything like merchandise and other products with Pokemon. Pokemon games to my knowledge have always been second party. That doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own the Pokemon liscense though. Same with Sony and their deal on Insomniac's Ratchet or Resistance. Naughty Dog and so on. They are still second party devs though, because even if Sony owns them, and they develop games for Sony, doesn't make them Sony's first party.

:lol:

Retro are indeed a second party, good on ya. However, the Metroid franchise is owned by Nintendo, and so while the Prime series is second party the original games and ownership of the actual franchise is first party. Pokemon is also second party, don't get what the argument there is about.

we just proved that retro is first party, OOPS!!!

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#39 StealthSting

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[QUOTE="nyoroism"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="nyoroism"]
[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Nintendo owns Retro and Gamefreak, the same way MS owns Bungie. Therefore the games they make are first-party.jack_russel

Ugh, wrong! Let's put it in retrospective. My *dad* asks me to make a game, and he overseers on what all I do with the characters and how I portray them. I'm the one who makes the game. Now we'll name my dad as Nintendo, and me as GameFreak.

Who made the game, GameFreak or Nintendo? GameFreak. Gamefreak =/= Nintendo, therefore it is second party.

but if your dad is "john johnson" and you're "rob johnson" then the game is a "johnson game". thats what first party is.

Sorry for citing Wikipedia for proof, but..

GAME FREAK, Inc. (ゲームフリーク, Gēmu Furīku?) is the Japanesevideo game developer behind the Pokémon series of RPGs, as well as several other games. It is a second-party developer for Nintendo.

wow, if we wanna go by that kirby and supersmash bros. are also 2nd party seeing as Hal is a second party " It is a second-party development studio of Nintendo." Wikipida link

Yup. Not everything Nintendo, has the Miyamoto grip. Still, those games are owned by Nintendo but the studio is second party.

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Mario and Luigi: partners in time for the DS is also second party going by wikipida

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Why keep bringing these things up? Don't we still treat 2nd party games generally as first party anyway?

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#41 jack_russel

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Other games that are second party according to wikipdia: Hey you, pikachu Pokémon Channel Pokémon Dash Mario Golf — 1999 (Nintendo 64, Game Boy Color) Mario Tennis — 2000 (Nintendo 64, Game Boy Color) Golden Sun — 2001 (Game Boy Advance) Golden Sun: The Lost Age — 2002 (Game Boy Advance) Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour — 2003 (Nintendo GameCube) Mario Golf: Advance Tour — 2004 (Game Boy Advance) Mario Power Tennis — 2004 (Nintendo GameCube) Metroid Prime Pinball Every pokemon game Every custom robo games cubivore Wikipida link Mario Tennis: Power Tour — 2005 (Game Boy Advance)

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#42 StealthSting

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[QUOTE="jack_russel"]Mario and Luigi: partners in time for the DS is also second party going by wikipida

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Why keep bringing these things up? Don't we still treat 2nd party games generally as first party anyway?

In Nintendo's case thats mostly what they are. Not to mention some of them have been with them forever. Regardless, the games offered by those partys are Nintendo games.

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I'm asking you again. What's the point of bringing up all these 2nd party games? We still treat 2nd party games as first party games, do we not?

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Mario and Luigi: partners in time for the DS is also second party going by wikipida

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A game developed by a second party doesnt make the title itself second party (or in reality third party software). These are not the same subject, Nintendo publishes and owns the IP (Mario & Luigi, Kirby etc.).

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#45 jack_russel

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I don't know, I just thought it was interesting.

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I'm asking you again. What's the point of bringing up all these 2nd party games? We still treat 2nd party games as first party games, do we not?nyoroism

I think Jack's confusing the concepts of intellectual property and the terms "first/second/third party".

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[QUOTE="1SleepyGit"][QUOTE="jack_russel"][QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]you've gotta be joking, you honestly think metroid prime and pokemon aren't first party nintendo games? thats not what second party is. you have your terms mixed up.jack_russel

No, [metroid prime] is not first party. Metroid: Zero Mission and Fusion were however. I'm not kidding, I know what I'm saying. Pokemon isn't made by Nintendo, it's made by game freak. However, Nintendo themselves own Game Freak. They are the publisher and handle the liscensing deals if someone wishes to have anything like merchandise and other products with Pokemon. Pokemon games to my knowledge have always been second party. That doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own the Pokemon liscense though. Same with Sony and their deal on Insomniac's Ratchet or Resistance. Naughty Dog and so on. They are still second party devs though, because even if Sony owns them, and they develop games for Sony, doesn't make them Sony's first party.

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Retro are indeed a second party, good on ya. However, the Metroid franchise is owned by Nintendo, and so while the Prime series is second party the original games and ownership of the actual franchise is first party. Pokemon is also second party, don't get what the argument there is about.

we just proved that retro is first party, OOPS!!!

Its not I'm afraid to say. While it is wholly owned by NIntendo, it is still classed as a separate company, not a division of Nintendo, in the same way Silicon Knights were owned by Nintendo but were not a part of them, and Lionhead Studios is owned by Microsoft but is not a division of them. They have their own management, though they are subservient to the company that owns them. The definition of a second party developer is of a company that is owned by the company that developed the console, while first party refers to games that are made in house by the parent company for its own console, and third party refers to any independant developer that makes games for consoles that it does not own and often has to pay licensing fees for, though they may also have exclusivity deals with.

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#48 StealthSting

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I'm asking you again. What's the point of bringing up all these 2nd party games? We still treat 2nd party games as first party games, do we not?nyoroism

Its not a case of how we treat them. Its that the games are owned by Nintendo, much in the same way that Retro is owned by them. All the games those companies make are all first party Nintendo titles, because they are owned by Nintendo.

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While they're not first party, they are still 100% Nintendo games, saying otherwise would be like saying Halo wasn't Microsoft...

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#50 BlazeDragon132

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Camalot is not a first party game, it is second. They make most Mario sport games and Golden Sun. Although Retro is first party, Pokemon is still 2nd party though. So 1/2 of that is true...

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