MGS nonsence

Meryl and Snake are standing still and Sniper Wolf aim @ SNAKE (she can kill him easily) than she aim @ Meryl

This is just nonsence,later she will shot meryl to lure snake out??? lol? He is allready out,just shoot him ????

Snake: "Meryl" (he noticed something wrong,laser beam (lol sniper with laser beam :roll: )

(11 seconds passed,they could BOTH be dead long time ago)

Meryl:"What is it?"

She puts her hand on her chest: "Huh"

Snake:"Meryl get down!"

Meryl is shot and snake runs for cover

20 seconds passed! (even more if we take in consideration that door where they entered are directly @sight of sniper)

Meryl is shot again

And again when she tries to reach her gun

(Sniper Wolf than tries to shoot snake,2 hits missed him :roll:)

Meryl is "dying" but she still have strenght to remember her past and say "I guess im rookie afterall"

Snake:"Dont worry.Meryl.its me they want" (well,he could be dead like 10 times,why noone just kill him?)

Meryl: "Even i know that,...Its the oldest trick in the book"

"The sniper is using me for bait,to lure you out" LOL? Wolf scoped them both,she could easily have killed Snake,nothing was stoping her

HAHAH THAN SHE REMEMBERS HER PAST AGAIN

"I was a fool... i wanted to be a soldier"

OMG its just cr*p sry if someone gets offended but this is just nonsence

Its just one example,there is lot more but you get idea

I dont understand how can someone call this "best storytelling"

This is like most melodramatic soap opera cliche storyteling ever

Well thats enough for now,care or not,this is true

You don't get it.

She didn't want to KILL SNAKE like that, she wanted to BATTLE HIM.

Also, Snake is crucial to the Plot, listen to LIQUID.

Do you have a life outside of SW board or are you just waiting for your mom to finish dinner and bring it down to the basement?MasteRich

Wow..that was...irrevelant...

Anyways..i enjoyed MGS..but yeah..some parts are just kinda cheezy..like..akward and timeconsuming/not caring cheezy. even though i enjoyed the game..i kinda stoped paying attetion to the story in MGS2, i just skipped the story and just got right to the gameplay.

You don't get it.

She didn't want to KILL SNAKE like that, she wanted to BATTLE HIM.

SolidTy

Yeah,every VILLAIN do that,why? Noone will probably know...

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

You don't get it.

She didn't want to KILL SNAKE like that, she wanted to BATTLE HIM.

Also, Snake is crucial to the PLOT, listen to LIQUID.

Lidve

Yeah,every VILLAIN do that,why? Noone will probably know...

Because it's the nature of storytelling, from Books to Movies.

You want an antagonist that you understand, vs. a villan that just dies. Whether it be books, Movies, Comics, Games, whatever, it's the nature of storytelling.

It would be pretty boring if you kill liguid at the beginning when he's on the helipad, then it's GAME OVER. YOU WIN.

They also have to write in new Gameplay through the story. They introduce you to the Sniper Rifle at that point in the game, and instead of saying, HERE YOU GO.

They give you a fun little "Save Injured Meryl against the bad Sniper!" type of gameplay. Most games, would just have you SNIIPE Away like there is no tomorrow, but MGS (1997, over 11 years ago) tries to bring more emotion to the Sniper Gameplay.

Kojima reaches for Realism UNTIL it affects FUN. His gameplya is Fun realism, or that's what he's going for. Some of his team want 100% Realism, but he won't have it.

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

Ren_eko

:roll: than why she shoots @ him and why you die if you fail to defeat boss?

In like whole game everyone tries to kill you,but they need you alive? :roll:

It should be "Snake is captured... the end"

not "snake is dead" snakeee ,SNAAAKEEE

Game is just full of contradictions

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

Lidve

:roll: than why she shoots @ him and why you die if you fail to defeat boss?

In like whole game everyone tries to kill you,but they need you alive? :roll:

It should be "Snake is captured... the end"

not "snake is dead" snakeee ,SNAAAKEEE

Game is just full of contradictions

SNAKE Doesn't die, he's not supposed to Die.

However, the Gamer holding the controller may die, but he's NO SNAKE. If SNAKE were there, he wouldn't die, like the gamer.

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

Lidve

:roll: than why she shoots @ him and why you die if you fail to defeat boss?

In like whole game everyone tries to kill you,but they need you alive? :roll:

It should be "Snake is captured... the end"

not "snake is dead" snakeee ,SNAAAKEEE

Game is just full of contradictions

So you want a game where you never loose?

Liquid knew Snake would manage to beat FoxHound, in a way he sacrifices them to activate Metal Gear .

Because it's the nature of storytelling, from Books to Movies.SolidTy

No,i can cont like really large number of really criticaly acclaimed books and movies that dont use that

Only cheap commercial action movies/anime/soap opera use that kind of storytelling

Here is Saving Private Ryan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOpNFK14490

While mybe not perfect,this is how sniper should be done

Noone remembers past - why ?? Because life is in danger,only thing that is important = survival

Noone cares if soldier had his lunch taken by some bullys in his early childhood :lol:

So you want a game where you never loose?

Ren_eko

lol?

You still loose,but they need you alive (as you said) so they dont kill you

You just loose because you are captured

its still GAME OVER and you have to go from begining

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Because it's the nature of storytelling, from Books to Movies.Lidve

No,i can cont like really large number of really criticaly acclaimed books and movies that dont use that

Only cheap commercial action movies/anime/soap opera use that kind of storytelling

Here is Saving Private Ryan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOpNFK14490

While mybe not perfect,this is how sniper should be done

Noone remembers past - why ?? Because life is in danger,only thing that is important = survival

Noone cares if soldier had his lunch taken by some bullys in his early childhood :lol:

OF course some media will break normal storytelling conventions, however, WHAT GAME does that?

Besides, if you can find a WAY FOR THE GAMER toACTUALLY PLAY scenes like these, then get started, because it would be revolutionary.

God cant you see Sniper Wolf wasnt trying to kill either of them.

How do you know what you would think about , when in a near death experience, many people say they see theyre life flash before theyre eyes , so why not remember the past.

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

So you want a game where you never loose?

Lidve

lol?

You still loose,but they need you alive (as you said) so they dont kill you

You just loose because you are captured

its still GAME OVER and you have to go from begining

Snake doesnt die, the player does , if MGS's gameplay sections were in movie format , Snake would never die , he only dies when the player is controlling him , that has more to do with gameplay than story.

OF course some media will break normal storytelling conventions, however, WHAT GAME does that? SolidTy

Many,mostly non-hyped non-commercial

[QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

So you want a game where you never loose?

Ren_eko

lol?

You still loose,but they need you alive (as you said) so they dont kill you

You just loose because you are captured

its still GAME OVER and you have to go from begining

Snake doesnt die, the player does , if MGS's gameplay sections were in movie format , Snake would never die , he only dies when the player is controlling him , that has more to do with gameplay than story.

But if they want him alive - PLAYER SHOULD NOT DIE!

Because when you want someone alive,you dont shoot him with sniper and RAAD missiles

And whan someone dont shoot you - you cant die

So how comes taht player controling snake die??

1. Sniper Wolf wasn't trying to kill either of them. She was just playing, hurting Meryl to make Snake suffer.

2. They needed to keep Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

So you want a game where you never loose?

Lidve

lol?

You still loose,but they need you alive (as you said) so they dont kill you

You just loose because you are captured

its still GAME OVER and you have to go from begining

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

Ren_eko

This.

Besides, Sniper Wolf wants someone to kill her to make her free.

Man Sniper Wolf was such a great character, probably my second favorite in this game.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]OF course some media will break normal storytelling conventions, however, WHAT GAME does that? Lidve

Many,mostly non-hyped non-commercial

Well, Since I've been gaming since the Atari 2600, I haven't found those to be good games.

The Storytelling in Saving Private Ryan, focased on The Bond between the squad, with the enemy being a non stop warmachine.

Incorporating that into a game, is simply, but the actual SCENES that you show, are not, GAMEPLAY Wise. The best we got is Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Brother in Arms, Battlefield, etc.

And those don't come close to bringing out an emotional RESPONSE from the gamer (2007's COD4, slightly). Meanwhile, in 1997, Kojima made MGS.

[QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

SolidTy

:roll: than why she shoots @ him and why you die if you fail to defeat boss?

In like whole game everyone tries to kill you,but they need you alive? :roll:

It should be "Snake is captured... the end"

not "snake is dead" snakeee ,SNAAAKEEE

Game is just full of contradictions

SNAKE Doesn't die, he's not supposed to Die.

However, the Gamer holding the controller may die, but he's NO SNAKE. If SNAKE were there, he wouldn't die, like the gamer.

But as i said,how can player controling snake DIE if they want him alive.

If you want someone alive - you dont shoot him - you dont kill him

But its clearly that many people want Snake dead (you die)

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

Lolz at TC for not getting the story.

They needed Snake alive to activate Metal Gear.

Lidve

:roll: than why she shoots @ him and why you die if you fail to defeat boss?

In like whole game everyone tries to kill you,but they need you alive? :roll:

It should be "Snake is captured... the end"

not "snake is dead" snakeee ,SNAAAKEEE

Game is just full of contradictions

SNAKE Doesn't die, he's not supposed to Die.

However, the Gamer holding the controller may die, but he's NO SNAKE. If SNAKE were there, he wouldn't die, like the gamer.

But as i said,how can player controling snake DIE if they want him alive.

If you want someone alive - you dont shoot him - you dont kill him

But its clearly that many people want Snake dead (you die)

No, because the REAL SNAKE wouldn't be so easily subdued with LETHAL FORCE, the way the gamer is.

They know he won't die, even though they are trying to subdue him with that force.

Besides, This is where Kojima wants FUN to Meet Realism. It's a tough act to juggle.

Well, Since I've been gaming since the Atari 2600, I haven't found those to be good games.

The Storytelling in Saving Private Ryan, focased on The Bond between the squad, with the enemy being a non stop warmachine.

Incorporating that into a game, is simply, but the actual SCENES that you show, are not, GAMEPLAY Wise. The best we got is Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Brother in Arms, Battlefield, etc.

And those don't come close to bringing out an emotional RESPONSE from the gamer (2007's COD4, slightly). Meanwhile, in 1997, Kojima made MGS.

SolidTy

We are not talking about game quality,but story

Many people find MGS story best and i find it quite difficult to understand (not story,but those people)

TC youre level of retardedness is OVER 9000!!!!

I already told you its a game , when the player lets Snake die , that story wise did not happen , Snake does not die so when the player dies during gameplay that has nothing to do with the story.

Ren_eko

How can he die if they want him alive?

Its not like he falls from clif because he was careless :roll:

They shoot @ you = you dead ,which is ridiculous if they want you alive

And thx for insults

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

TC youre level of retardedness is OVER 9000!!!!

I already told you its a game , when the player lets Snake die , that story wise did not happen , Snake does not die so when the player dies during gameplay that has nothing to do with the story.

Lidve

How can he die if they want him alive?

Its not like he falls from clif because he was careless :roll:

They shoot @ you = you dead ,which is ridiculous if they want you alive

And thx for insults

So, you're saying that Sniper Wolf (the example you bring) shouldnt try to kill him, well, wouldnt that be a little strange for Snake? "oh, the enemy doesnt want me dead, funny thing"

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Well, Since I've been gaming since the Atari 2600, I haven't found those to be good games.

The Storytelling in Saving Private Ryan, focased on The Bond between the squad, with the enemy being a non stop warmachine.

Incorporating that into a game, is simply, but the actual SCENES that you show, are not, GAMEPLAY Wise. The best we got is Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Brother in Arms, Battlefield, etc.

And those don't come close to bringing out an emotional RESPONSE from the gamer (2007's COD4, slightly). Meanwhile, in 1997, Kojima made MGS.

Lidve

We are not talking about game quality,but story

Many people find MGS story best and i find it quite difficult to understand (not story,but those people)

Compared to Director's like Spielburg, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Nolan, Lynch, Fincher, Anderson, Soderburgh, Miike, Russell, Scorsese, Coen, Tarantino, Malick, Jonze, Wachowski, Scott, and more, MGS is going to fail.

Gaming is only 30 years old, and is a new medium. Comparing the Movie, and Literary greats against Gaming is FAIL.

However, MGS HAS ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMING STORIES EVER, when compared to GAMING.

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]

TC youre level of retardedness is OVER 9000!!!!

I already told you its a game , when the player lets Snake die , that story wise did not happen , Snake does not die so when the player dies during gameplay that has nothing to do with the story.

Lidve

How can he die if they want him alive?

Its not like he falls from clif because he was careless :roll:

They shoot @ you = you dead ,which is ridiculous if they want you alive

And thx for insults

You are welcome for the insults.

Like its been said over and over its a game.

If Snake wasnt controlled by the player he would never die , liquid knows this, and this is why people still shoot at him and try to kill him( liquid knows they will never be able to kill him) Liquid knew Snakes location at all time(he was Master Miller)he could have easily told all his soldiers where he was and have Snake killed , but that is not what he wanted .

Compared to Director's like Spielburg, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Nolan, Lynch, Fincher, Anderson, Soderburgh, Miike, Russell, Scorsese, Coen, Tarantino, Malick, Jonze, Wachowski, Scott, and more, MGS is going to fail.

Gaming is only 30 years old, and is a new medium. Comparing the Movie, and Literary greats against Gaming is FAIL.

However, MGS HAS ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMING STORIES EVER, when compared to GAMING.

SolidTy

I cant agree

There are gaming stories that are on par with some good books,but as i said,those games are not really succesfull

Those games might not be best,but their stories are far bether

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Compared to Director's like Spielburg, Hitchcock, Kubrick, Nolan, Lynch, Fincher, Anderson, Soderburgh, Miike, Russell, Scorsese, Coen, Tarantino, Malick, Jonze, Wachowski, Scott, and more, MGS is going to fail.

Gaming is only 30 years old, and is a new medium. Comparing the Movie, and Literary greats against Gaming is FAIL.

However, MGS HAS ONE OF THE GREATEST GAMING STORIES EVER, when compared to GAMING.

Lidve

I cant agree

There are gaming stories that are on par with some good books,but as i said,those games are not really succesfull

Those games might not be best,but their stories are far bether

Then they FAIL at being a GAME.

You are welcome for the insults.

Like its been said over and over its a game.

If Snake wasnt controlled by the player he would never die , liquid knows this, and this is why people still shoot at him and try to kill him( liquid knows they will never be able to kill him) Liquid knew Snakes location at all time(he was Master Miller)he could have easily told all his soldiers where he was and have Snake killed , but that is not what he wanted .

Ren_eko

You know location of snake,you have like biggest army of special trained units and you still cant CAPTURE one man? :roll:

Perhaps Wolf wanted to torture snake a little before defeating him? thus hurting someone he cares about. Put him in an impossible situation where he had to consider the life of someone he cares for ontop of the threat of this new enemy, or rack his nerves to make the imminent battle between the two more of a challenge for him.

Maybe she didn't see a thrill in killing such a legendary warrior without his knowledge. Perhaps she wanted a fair fight to really test herself? Being a soldier herself. Maybe she wanted snake to beat her also.

Or, perhaps snake would dodge the bullet! oh ya, he's bad a** as we all know. The second she pulled the trigger he'd hear the sound of the bullet leaving the gun and he'd be barrel rolling.

Then they FAIL at being a GAME. SolidTy

No,they are still game- just not great ones

But as i said,we are not talking about game quality here.

I dont even want to start about MGS "gameplay" part

Perhaps Wolf wanted to torture snake a little before defeating him? thus hurting someone he cares about. Put him in an impossible situation where he had to consider the life of someone he cares for ontop of the threat of this new enemy, or rack his nerves to make the imminent battle between the two more of a challenge for him.

Maybe she didn't see a thrill in killing such a legendary warrior without his knowledge. Perhaps she wanted a fair fight to really test herself? Being a soldier herself. Maybe she wanted snake to beat her also.

Or, perhaps snake would dodge the bullet! oh ya, he's bad a** as we all know. The second she pulled the trigger he'd hear the sound of the bullet leaving the gun and he'd be barrel rolling.

blahzor

Why would someone want to do that,its just weird

[QUOTE="Ren_eko"]You are welcome for the insults.

Like its been said over and over its a game.

If Snake wasnt controlled by the player he would never die , liquid knows this, and this is why people still shoot at him and try to kill him( liquid knows they will never be able to kill him) Liquid knew Snakes location at all time(he was Master Miller)he could have easily told all his soldiers where he was and have Snake killed , but that is not what he wanted .

Lidve

You know location of snake,you have like biggest army of special trained units and you still cant CAPTURE one man? :roll:

They werent trying to just capture him , they wanted to know how to activate Metal Gear.

[QUOTE="blahzor"]

Perhaps Wolf wanted to torture snake a little before defeating him? thus hurting someone he cares about. Put him in an impossible situation where he had to consider the life of someone he cares for ontop of the threat of this new enemy, or rack his nerves to make the imminent battle between the two more of a challenge for him.

Maybe she didn't see a thrill in killing such a legendary warrior without his knowledge. Perhaps she wanted a fair fight to really test herself? Being a soldier herself. Maybe she wanted snake to beat her also.

Or, perhaps snake would dodge the bullet! oh ya, he's bad a** as we all know. The second she pulled the trigger he'd hear the sound of the bullet leaving the gun and he'd be barrel rolling.

Lidve

Why would someone want to do that,its just weird

People are weird.

Especially tortured soooouuullllss!

Perhaps Wolf wanted to torture snake a little before defeating him? thus hurting someone he cares about. Put him in an impossible situation where he had to consider the life of someone he cares for ontop of the threat of this new enemy, or rack his nerves to make the imminent battle between the two more of a challenge for him.

Maybe she didn't see a thrill in killing such a legendary warrior without his knowledge. Perhaps she wanted a fair fight to really test herself? Being a soldier herself. Maybe she wanted snake to beat her also.

Or, perhaps snake would dodge the bullet! oh ya, he's bad a** as we all know. The second she pulled the trigger he'd hear the sound of the bullet leaving the gun and he'd be barrel rolling.

blahzor

Then Sniper Wolf or whoever is a terrible soldier. If you're trying to get a job done, you don't worry about how much enjoyment you're going to get out of it if it's going to jepordize the mission.

How can he die if they want him alive?

Its not like he falls from clif because he was careless :roll:

They shoot @ you = you dead ,which is ridiculous if they want you alive

And thx for insults

Lidve

They shoot at him because, if Shadow Moses didn't have extremely tight security, Snake would get suspicious. He would probably see through Liquid's plan to use him, and he wouldn't have fallen for it. Liquid had faith that Snake had the ability to make it through Shadow Moses, find the PAL keys, and activate Metal Gear. Liquid had no other choice than to tell his men (Other than the Foxhound Squad) to fire and kill on sight. Understand: Liquid believed that Snake was more likely to be convinced to get the code if he was exposed to real, life-threatening danger than he would be if he wasn't. Foxhound attacks Snake with murderous intent because, at some point, they find a deathwish. They no longer wanted to live on. They wanted Snake to finish them off, and they wanted to go out with a warrior's honor.

The sheer amount of retardedness from the TC.

MIND CRUSH DA FOOL

siLVURcross

Comes from someone who have this in his signature

"

Your words don't flow with the distanced time

Like a paper heart, strung by a beautiful mind

To love and to hurt, to be silent and to sing"

:roll:

[QUOTE="blahzor"]

Perhaps Wolf wanted to torture snake a little before defeating him? thus hurting someone he cares about. Put him in an impossible situation where he had to consider the life of someone he cares for ontop of the threat of this new enemy, or rack his nerves to make the imminent battle between the two more of a challenge for him.

Maybe she didn't see a thrill in killing such a legendary warrior without his knowledge. Perhaps she wanted a fair fight to really test herself? Being a soldier herself. Maybe she wanted snake to beat her also.

Or, perhaps snake would dodge the bullet! oh ya, he's bad a** as we all know. The second she pulled the trigger he'd hear the sound of the bullet leaving the gun and he'd be barrel rolling.

Juggernaut140

Then Sniper Wolf or whoever is a terrible soldier. If you're trying to get a job done, you don't worry about how much enjoyment you're going to get out of it if it's going to jepordize the mission.

Not when the Mission is "I WANT TO BE KILLED BY SNAKE"

[QUOTE="Lidve"]

How can he die if they want him alive?

Its not like he falls from clif because he was careless :roll:

They shoot @ you = you dead ,which is ridiculous if they want you alive

And thx for insults

Lab392

They shoot at him because, if Shadow Moses didn't have extremely tight security, Snake would get suspicious. He would probably see through Liquid's plan to use him, and he wouldn't have fallen for it. Liquid had faith that Snake had the ability to make it through Shadow Moses, find the PAL keys, and activate Metal Gear. Liquid had no other choice than to tell his men (Other than the Foxhound Squad) to fire and kill on sight. Understand: Liquid believed that Snake was more likely to be convinced to get the code if he was exposed to real, life-threatening danger than he would be if he wasn't. Foxhound attacks Snake with murderous intent because, at some point, they find a deathwish. They no longer wanted to live on. They wanted Snake to finish them off, and they wanted to go out with a warrior's honor.

I bet they could get those keys easier way

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

The sheer amount of retardedness from the TC.

MIND CRUSH DA FOOL

Lidve

Comes from someone who have this in his signature

"

Your words don't flow with the distanced time

Like a paper heart, strung by a beautiful mind

To love and to hurt, to be silent and to sing"

:roll:

lolwut?

I don't expect much from you. You can't understand a story, so why would you understand poetry?

SolidTy why do you even bother?Krigon

Hmmm...I don't know.

It's a cla.ss.ic from 1997 under assault, which doesn't happen too often in SW.

[QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

The sheer amount of retardedness from the TC.

MIND CRUSH DA FOOL

siLVURcross

Comes from someone who have this in his signature

"

Your words don't flow with the distanced time

Like a paper heart, strung by a beautiful mind

To love and to hurt, to be silent and to sing"

:roll:

lolwut?

I don't expect much from you. You can't understand a story, so why would you understand poetry?

:roll:

What a poet you are :roll:

Artistic soul none a less :lol:

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"][QUOTE="Lidve"][QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

The sheer amount of retardedness from the TC.

MIND CRUSH DA FOOL

Lidve

Comes from someone who have this in his signature

"

Your words don't flow with the distanced time

Like a paper heart, strung by a beautiful mind

To love and to hurt, to be silent and to sing"

:roll:

lolwut?

I don't expect much from you. You can't understand a story, so why would you understand poetry?

:roll:

What a poet you are :roll:

Artistic soul none a less :lol:

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply.

I'd still rather mind crush you.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]

The sheer amount of retardedness from the TC.

MIND CRUSH DA FOOL

Lidve

Comes from someone who have this in his signature

"

Your words don't flow with the distanced time

Like a paper heart, strung by a beautiful mind

To love and to hurt, to be silent and to sing"

:roll:

This thread was a failure from the start. We have resorted to namecalling and attacks on people's sigs.