MGS4 all grfx, no AI= AA game ...mega flop

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#1 surgestrip
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watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.html
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#2 dgsag
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watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmlsurgestrip

I am strongly reminded of "Crysis has Bad AI threads a few months back"

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#3 chazasul
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People are funny.
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#4 Claw8k
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wow. the best you can do is bash the games AI and you haven't even played it. AAA for MGS4 you watch
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#5 the-very-best
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It's really weird how every time a big game is demoed, the player (even if it were one of the devs) doesn't know how to play the game properly.

Maybe they're nervous or something cause they're being filmed. Anyway, MGSIV looks absolutely sublime and I can't wait to get my hands on it. Probably AAA here.

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#6 -Sora
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M rated games should not even have an option for an easy mode like that.
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#7 Dragonblade01
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Here is a thought, how about we "wait and see".
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#8 Spyderfan1212
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...I thought this was just going to be unjustified bashing but wow that AI did look aweful. The animations were too stiff as well. Hopefully they fix those problems by launch.
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#11 surgestrip
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[QUOTE="surgestrip"]

watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmldgsag

I am strongly reminded of "Crysis has Bad AI threads a few months back"

I can only judge it by what the dev has put out and at this point it seems MGS4 (cough Sonys) focus is to show of the grfx...to the detriment of gameplay... hopefully this gets fix... for Sony's sake

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#12 Claw8k
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we got till 2008 so give MGS4 some time to shape up the the AAA goodness it will be
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#13 Spartan070
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[QUOTE="surgestrip"]

watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmldgsag

I am strongly reminded of "Crysis has Bad AI threads a few months back"

Surprisingly people are still making those threads. Crysis is like a visionary step forward in all aspects of FPS games, including AI. Of course I trust you know that.:P
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#14 Andres001
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Wow sugar now you bash MGS4???? Wow kid you are you crazy?

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#15 surgestrip
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[QUOTE="dgsag"][QUOTE="surgestrip"]

watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmlSpartan070

I am strongly reminded of "Crysis has Bad AI threads a few months back"

Surprisingly people are still making those threads. Crysis is like a visionary step forward in all aspects of FPS games, including AI. Of course I trust you know that.:P

what r u talking bout Crysis != MGS4

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#16 Claw8k
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check out my MGS4 bashing thread its to catch the trolls
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#17 surgestrip
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Wow sugar now you bash MGS4???? Wow kid you are you crazy?

Andres001

yes honeybuns...watch the video u decide

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#18 surgestrip
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check out my MGS4 bashing thread its to catch the trolls Claw8k

i aint bashing just watch the video u decide its there on the screen

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#19 Cedmln
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Um the A.I. is fine.

I'm guessing you weren't watching snake's life bar as he couldn't die.

Look up at the right hand corner. EDIT: Oops. I mean the left hand corner. Sorry baout that :P

They only seem dumb because the player can't die. They actually took out his life about 10 times (i wasn't counting).

Watch it again.

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#20 zero9167
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good thing they had god mode on
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#21 Nugtoka
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That's just lazy dev's. The power of the Cell processor can model the intelligence of 100 human brains at once.
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#22 Sonicplys
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All graphics, no AI........sounds like 93% of all the Xbox360 games (which are all FPS)
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#23 Cubs360
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Halo 3 destroys this game.

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#24 Endfinal
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Yea, they are going to up the A.I for a public show floor demo, with people who have probably never played a MGS game playing it. Good call.
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#26 mistervengeance
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watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmlsurgestrip
it's a spy game. if it was any realistic, you know how long it would take to actually get anywhere in the game???
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#27 surgestrip
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good thing they had god mode onzero9167

not talking bout life meters...talking bout the AI... in this case enemy Ai...or lack of it

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#28 Lab392
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MGS4 bashing? If you had played an MGS game on easy mode, you would know that the guards have an iq of about room temperature. It gets better as the difficulty goes up. :P @ Surge
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#29 snipe2004
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yea your right. since the game is complete and kojima would let his last masterpiece to flounder. your absolutely on point. :roll:
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#30 power_rangerer
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the game was probably set to very easy mode since the tranq gun took them down in one hit. and the game is still in development.
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#31 ginglejangle
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maybe its on easy,they also have about 7 months to work on it
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#32 DSgamer64
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[QUOTE="surgestrip"]

watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmldgsag

I am strongly reminded of "Crysis has Bad AI threads a few months back"

It has been less then a month since those were created.

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#33 Heil68
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I think you're being unusually hard on the game. If you look at the history of this franchise they have all scored well. I say give it a chance, but that's probably asking too much for SW's. :?
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#34 tman93
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um, demos are all on easy/very easy, and with god mode.

Unless of course, BioShock, Call of Duty 4, Gears of War, Halo 3, ect ect ect all have bad AI, cause all those gameplay demos had crappy AI, they do it so they can beat it.

Would you be inpressed if a dev showed off his 8 minuate demo, and it lasted 40 minuates cause he keep dieing?

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#35 jlh47
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the metal gear games have always had sucky ai. the thing they're great at is storytelling and cutscenes. i swear you never go more than 30-min to an hour without seeing like a 5 or ten minute cutscene. it's good though.

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#36 Mordred19
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everything that happened in that demo was dependent on the player. I didn't see any huge mistakes on the part of the AI. they shot at you, they didn't not attack like in KZ2. when you have a huge resvoir of health with health packs as backup, anyone is going to make the AI look bad by comparison. if it had been on a harder difficulty(a no-no for a public-display demo), Snake would have been taken down swiftly under a hail of gunfire.
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#37 tman93
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the metal gear games have always had sucky ai. the thing they're great at is storytelling and cutscenes. i swear you never go more than 30-min to an hour without seeing like a 5 or ten minute cutscene. it's good though.

jlh47
And im certin you havent played MGS on Hard or Extreme. Easy mode is a huge difference in MGS comparted to Hard/Extreme. Play that, then call MGS ai sucky.
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#38 Mordred19
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the metal gear games have always had sucky ai. the thing they're great at is storytelling and cutscenes. i swear you never go more than 30-min to an hour without seeing like a 5 or ten minute cutscene. it's good though.

jlh47

the games have pretty good AI. the problem is you have so many weapons, items, health kits,and ammo, that you can take down any attack with hardly a scratch. if the MGS series needs a lot of something, it's forcing you to use your weapons and items wisely. too many tools on you at once removes a lot of the challenge. it doesn't matter how well the AI can flank or supress you with gunfire, because if their weapons are weak and yours are overpowered, you'll take down Einsteins with ease.

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#39 tman93
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[QUOTE="jlh47"]

the metal gear games have always had sucky ai. the thing they're great at is storytelling and cutscenes. i swear you never go more than 30-min to an hour without seeing like a 5 or ten minute cutscene. it's good though.

Mordred19

the games have pretty good AI. the problem is you have so many weapons, items, health kits,and ammo, that you can take down any attack with hardly a scratch. if the MGS series needs a lot of something, it's forcing you to use your weapons and items wisely. too many tools on you at once removes a lot of the challenge. it doesn't matter how well the AI can flank or supress you with gunfire, because if their weapons are weak and yours are overpowered, you'll take down Einsteins with ease.

Then play with cetin weapons. You dont have to use them all.

And on harder difficultys, there will be less ammo and healthpacks.

On Extreme/hard in anyother one, you get no rations (healthpacks)

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#40 niall077
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the deomo is really just to show the new controls... if they had it on nomal difficalty they would just stand around getting shot
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#41 hotdaisy18
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Go look at the gamevideos.com trailers then come back and tell me what's the difference in the AI ;)
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#42 amtentori
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That's just lazy dev's. The power of the Cell processor can model the intelligence of 100 human brains at once. Nugtoka

lol... did anyone read this? i really hope he is kidding...

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#43 foxhound_fox
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Alright, you play the game for its graphics. I'm going to play it for its cinematic presentation and excellent story.
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#44 ChrisMun
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http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/14899

AI looks fine. Not sure how those gametrailers people were playing or if they set the difficulty down.

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#45 NavigatorsGhost
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lol, put it on European Extreme and see what happens.
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#46 bloodlust_101
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It took a second to fall asleep when hit in the stomach. Something that only happens on very easy difficulty. Then you have the extreem amount of rations held, which would further support this theory. Another thing is the enemy which got close, and slashed once before standing still. Something that only happened on Metal Gear Solid 3, very easy difficulty.
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#47 The_Ish
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This isn't even about wait and see, we all know the AI will get much better. Part of the reason MGS is so well loved is because of it's enemy AI.

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#48 krunkfu2
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i unno kojima won't let his child fail i own a 360 but mgs4 will not suck i can guarantee that even though i hate that stlye of play the story rules except MGS 2 which was weak story wise if anything killzone 2 has the bad wait no TERRIBLE A.I.
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watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmlsurgestrip

I'm not even looking at your link, your profile says you rated World in Conflict 1.0.

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#50 MaximumD
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watch the video horrible AI...wow

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/25195.htmlsurgestrip

Pass me the crystal ball too so I can win the lottery.