MGS4 could have been better....

This is coming from a die hard MGS fan..

I look at MGS4 and i see a quality title, but thats only when looking at graphics, presentation, characters, story. But when it comes down to gameplay, its pretty average and doesn't give of that same feeling, which IT SHOULD, because its all about gameplay.

In the story, cutscenes...you see quality animations, movie like action and immersive depth. once it hits gameplay, it feels like a game...unrealistic with dated animations, a worthless cover system, not enough moves, etc.(tho the new gun play perspective is much better.

Gameplay worked for PS2 titles, like MGS2 and 3, but for a current gen title, with much improved tools, the gameplay should advance just as much as presentation.

Unfortunetly, we all know MGS is all about its story and thats how the developers think, hell, Hideo Kojima wanted to be a director growing up, but landed in the Video game business, so we know why its games are the way they are. (length story, doesn't bother me, love it, BTW)

but its obvious, gameplay is more of a secondary thing with them.

I look at games like Splinter cell or Uncharted, hell gears...and dead space...and playin them feels good, the reactions, movement is solid and up with the times, they feel more like movies, when playing. MGS4 doesn't do this. It's a shame because it has advanced so much in other areas.

I sometimes think to my self, imagine MGS4 with gameplay like gears, uncharted or splinter cell...but of course modified in its own ways. I don't mean exactly, but animation-wise.

I was playing MGS4 the other day, and when in heated battle, its SLOW, in reality, you would be faster, dive to cover, move quick...but do that in MGS4, you have to click a button to attach to a wall, and then move dead slow to move to the edge, then enters a slow animation to have snake look around the corner to shoot. gsus.

Yes i'm ranting on alittle too much, but i'm passionate about MGS, and i think it could be much better. expecially with all the competition out there making much improvements to gameplay.

Thoughts?

honestly, MGS 4 is the only game I have truly enjoyed this gen. I felt like I was playing a next gen game.

its graphics, presentation and gameplay was solid. the gameplay was solid, especially when compared to previous MGS games.

in terms of gameplay, you can do lots of things, you can different styles of play, unlike your typical FPS, e.g. CoD 4, Halo, Resistance, etc where you just run and gun, nothing else.

games like Gears and Uncharted at least tried to spice it up.

honestly, MGS 4 is the only game I have truly enjoyed this gen. I felt like I was playing a next gen game.

its graphics, presentation and gameplay was solid. the gameplay was solid, especially when compared to previous MGS games.

in terms of gameplay, you can do lots of things, you can different styles of play, unlike your typical FPS, e.g. CoD 4, Halo, Resistance, etc where you just run and gun, nothing else.

games like Gears and Uncharted at least tried to spice it up.

xxThyLordxx

thats great and all, i respect that...but IMO, when you watch MGS4 and see snake fight and act, it looks awesome and intense...do it in gameplay, it just doesn't fit. His suppose to be a badarse and look good doing actions. He slits peoples throat with his left hand for god sake, hell when he jokes someone on the ground looks awefull... the Attention isn't there from the devs. I know there is a lot of variety in gameplay, but doing them isn't fun. They removed the neck breaker, and could of added more CQC moves.

its still great, but compared to other titles it feels dated.

i think it could be much better

Eyezonmii

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the same thing could be said about any game.

MGS4 is what it is.

[QUOTE="pappa-ray"]blame ryan payton.Eyezonmii

whys that?

[QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]

[QUOTE="pappa-ray"]blame ryan payton.Eyezonmii

whys that?

how was it westernized? lol

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

[QUOTE="Eyezonmii"][QUOTE="SnakePS360Gamer"][QUOTE="Eyezonmii"]

[QUOTE="pappa-ray"]blame ryan payton.SnakePS360Gamer

whys that?

how was it westernized? lol

You do know that view point came from Resident Evil 4, right? a Japanese game. which inspired gears of war, and many of todays 3rd person shooters. i agree with the X buttons.

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

ps3wizard45

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MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

Eltroz

for its fanbase, MGS games are more for specific people...it isn't a casual game where everyone can pick up and enjoy it.

all games released could have been better... its normal that us gamers always demand more... i personally loved MGSIV and enjoyed MGO.... there is always room for improvements and hopefully we shall see them in the next installment of this series... :)

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

Eltroz

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]I do blame Ryan. The man got rid of Mei Ling and Naomi's accents! That fact alone makes me hate him, his trying to steal Kojima's thunder besides.Eyezonmii

you sure he had that much of a role in the game? i mean its Hideo game, he does what he see's fit. or am i wrong?

It was totally his call. He handled localization issues. Making it more western. He is the one who made the call to get rid of the accents, due to Mei Ling being raised in America, and who the heck knows about Naomi. She's South African for gosh sake!

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/09/12/payton-talks-about-mgs4-and-keeping-mgs-lore-consistent/

You have to consider that MGS isn't excatly a shooter. Slow gameplay fits perfectly in a stealth game.

You have to move slowly and you must hide from enemies.You must take time to move or else you'll be spotted.

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

ps3wizard45

This man speaks the truth.

I agree there was hardly any empahasis on espionage, it was all guns blazing!

I agree there was hardly any empahasis on espionage, it was all guns blazing!

daftdog

You could hide, ya know. Gun blazing being feasible was also one of Payton's additions, though that was what Kojima wanted. He had his team playing CoD4 to try to get a feel for western shooters. Having the game be more open to player gameplay choices.

I agree with everybody else, every game ever made can be better.....

The "lack" of gameplay dosn't matter to me, the action/stealth toss up didn't ruin it at all for me, you chose how you wanted to play, I found my self doing things the hardway because it was more cool :p

mgs4 is the greatest game i have ever played, i have never been able to choose, half life 2? farcry? other mgs titles? abes oddessy? warcraft 3? etc etc.... but now i know.

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

honestly, MGS 4 is the only game I have truly enjoyed this gen. I felt like I was playing a next gen game.

its graphics, presentation and gameplay was solid. the gameplay was solid, especially when compared to previous MGS games.

in terms of gameplay, you can do lots of things, you can different styles of play, unlike your typical FPS, e.g. CoD 4, Halo, Resistance, etc where you just run and gun, nothing else.

games like Gears and Uncharted at least tried to spice it up.

Eyezonmii

thats great and all, i respect that...but IMO, when you watch MGS4 and see snake fight and act, it looks awesome and intense...do it in gameplay, it just doesn't fit. His suppose to be a badarse and look good doing actions. He slits peoples throat with his left hand for god sake, hell when he jokes someone on the ground looks awefull... the Attention isn't there from the devs. I know there is a lot of variety in gameplay, but doing them isn't fun. They removed the neck breaker, and could of added more CQC moves.

its still great, but compared to other titles it feels dated.

theres your problem, cutscenes tend to hog all the fun, example all devil may crys and resident evils tend to do it

any game "could have beeen better" but that would be speculating,somthing this forum does way too much,so for now lets just say its the best game out,and just leave it at that k?

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

ps3wizard45

:roll:

Doom,Quake,Ultima,Chrono Triger,Curse of Monkey Island,Grim Fandango,Half Life,Planescape Torment,Fallout,System Shock,Zelda,Super Mario Bros,Tetris,...... say HELL NO!

This is coming from a die hard MGS fan..

I look at MGS4 and i see a quality title, but thats only when looking at graphics, presentation, characters, story. But when it comes down to gameplay, its pretty average and doesn't give of that same feeling, which IT SHOULD, because its all about gameplay.

In the story, cutscenes...you see quality animations, movie like action and immersive depth. once it hits gameplay, it feels like a game...unrealistic with dated animations, a worthless cover system, not enough moves, etc.(tho the new gun play perspective is much better.

Gameplay worked for PS2 titles, like MGS2 and 3, but for a current gen title, with much improved tools, the gameplay should advance just as much as presentation.

Unfortunetly, we all know MGS is all about its story and thats how the developers think, hell, Hideo Kojima wanted to be a director growing up, but landed in the Video game business, so we know why its games are the way they are. (length story, doesn't bother me, love it, BTW)

but its obvious, gameplay is more of a secondary thing with them.

I look at games like Splinter cell or Uncharted, hell gears...and dead space...and playin them feels good, the reactions, movement is solid and up with the times, they feel more like movies, when playing. MGS4 doesn't do this. It's a shame because it has advanced so much in other areas.

I sometimes think to my self, imagine MGS4 with gameplay like gears, uncharted or splinter cell...but of course modified in its own ways. I don't mean exactly, but animation-wise.

I was playing MGS4 the other day, and when in heated battle, its SLOW, in reality, you would be faster, dive to cover, move quick...but do that in MGS4, you have to click a button to attach to a wall, and then move dead slow to move to the edge, then enters a slow animation to have snake look around the corner to shoot. gsus.

Yes i'm ranting on alittle too much, but i'm passionate about MGS, and i think it could be much better. expecially with all the competition out there making much improvements to gameplay.

Thoughts?

Eyezonmii

Disagree completly. Have you thought that MGS4 is more realistic than GEoW (im talking in terms of movement) in GEoW you can jump to over a wall that its about 4 meters away and the character dont even walk it floats away till it gets to the wall. would you like to see Snake floating around just to have a more fast cover system ?? i dont think so, not to mention that snake's body is aging dramaticly

I love playing MGS4 Infinit things to do, i have ultra fun using CQC, shooting is just a amazing and when you nwant to be stealthy theres nothing that can beat Snake :)

Old Snake i salute you!

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MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

Eltroz

lol, at your real world comment, in real world ask anybody if they care about reviews? after all it is at max only 100-150 opinions ( sites ) against millions and millions of opinions.

As far as SW, why are you hiding behind gamerankins? also it is flawed btw.

I rather seeing people compare games based on 3-4 credible sources rather than gamerankings or metacritic.

MGS4 is the best game this gen (untill now)knight-k

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

HAZE-Unit

lol, at your real world comment, in real world ask anybody if they care about reviews? after all it is at max only 100-150 opinions ( sites ) against millions and millions of opinions.

As far as SW, why are you hiding behind gamerankins? also it is flawed btw.

I rather seeing people compare games based on 3-4 credible sources rather than gamerankings or metacritic.

To say no one cares about reviews is just silly. Of course people care about them that is why they are there. You just want to go by reviews that favor your opinion it seems though. At least Gamerankings is a average of all reviews.

They swapped the X and O buttons, that's dishonor for me.cifru

Yeah I was angry at that to I tried to select menus, nut No

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="ps3wizard45"]

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

Eltroz

lol, at your real world comment, in real world ask anybody if they care about reviews? after all it is at max only 100-150 opinions ( sites ) against millions and millions of opinions.

As far as SW, why are you hiding behind gamerankins? also it is flawed btw.

Irather seeing people compare games based on 3-4 credible sources rather than gamerankings or metacritic.

To say no one cares about reviews is just silly. Of course people care about them that is why they are there. You just want to go by reviews that favor your opinion it seems though. At least Gamerankings is a average of all reviews.

To be honest, I don't care for reviews, I never did, I just see what the reviewers scores for me to know my taste, thats me in real life and lot of other people, thats real life, reviews do not matter much for people ( and alot of people it don't matter for them at all).

I didn't say anything about my opinion, I just said what is supposed to be said, we have to make SW a better place, if we want to continue to provide flawed arguments, no one would agree or disagree.

There was a thread recently when a cow admitted that he will review Gears of War 2 and his review is approved in gamerankings or metacritic, I don't remember exactly which one, just to prove my point to you that people shouldn't take reviews so serious and if they want to, they should choose credible review sources.

MGS4 was the perfect love letter to the series, fans, and the playstation brand. MGS3 is my favorite but their are too many great things about 4 to not consider it the best game this year.

MGS4 = Greatest Game this Gen

MGS4 = 2nd Greatest Game of All Time ( Behind Mgs3 of Course)

ps3wizard45