MGS4 is worse than having it on 5 seperate disks essentially.

I know I might sound like a bit of a fanboy right now, But I recently bought MGS4 (beat it about 3 days ago) and something that ticks me off about the game: You have to reinstall each act. Yea.

Essentially, this is the worse case scenario people talked about if MGS4 were to be ported to the 360. It'd have to be like 5 disks (5 disks = 50 GB, even though MGS4 is 30GB). So essentially, blu-ray is limiting the drive speed so there's installs. So basically it runs like this:

Instead of switching disks, you have to install the game for each act. Now here's the (un)funny part: It takes roughly 15 seconds to switch a disk, it takes about 5 minutes for MGS4 to install each act.

So wouldn't MGS4 be, in reality, better suited for the 360 as far as a storage medium goes?

* this is not a bashing thread about MGS4. In fact I love the game. One of my favorites this gen. However, this is essentially what ps3 fanboys were ranting about what could happen with the 360. It happened with the ps3 first, and is much worse than how the ps3 fanboys said it'd be. Note: I am not saying that these installs are hard (it's whatever, i'd rather them not be there since going between levels requires it, but it's not a big deal).

I know I might sound like a bit of a fanboy right now, But I recently bought MGS4 (beat it about 3 days ago) and something that ticks me off about the game: You have to reinstall each act. Yea.

Essentially, this is the worse case scenario people talked about if MGS4 were to be ported to the 360. It'd have to be like 5 disks (5 disks = 50 GB, even though MGS4 is 30GB). So essentially, blu-ray is limiting the drive speed so there's installs. So basically it runs like this:

Instead of switching disks, you have to install the game for each act. Now here's the (un)funny part: It takes roughly 15 seconds to switch a disk, it takes about 5 minutes for MGS4 to install each act.

So wouldn't MGS4 be, in reality, better suited for the 360 as far as a storage medium goes?

MrCoolguy123

C'mon, installs are not that big a deal. I don't think disc switching is either, but... c'mon.

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

Otacon says different! :lol:

jk

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

^ read my note i added please. I edited it due to the fact that I thought I may have been sending across a wrong message.

Basically the whole point of my post it that you shouldn't be so quick to gang up on a particular issue (disk swapping). This also happened, sort of, with MyGamerPad and Home with xbox fanboys, but seeing as how it's not a required feature, it's not a severe imo. Still funny notheless.

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

Haee

why would you lose a disk :?

Like uhh... jees. That's a new one.

There actually is an advantage of disk swapping I have taking advantage of: the fact that you can play each game individually. For example, me and my brother live seperately. We both have 360s. I bought Lost Odyssey and he also wanted to play it. I played disk 1, and finished it, and then started on disk 2 and he got disk 1. We were playing it simultaneously with one copy. Of course he actually played it quicker than me and wanted 2 when I was on 2, but that's a different story, lol. For linear games, I do like multiple disks. However, something like Oblivion would be horrible. Lost Odyssey is a great game for the record and I fully reccommend it to any JRPG fan.

What I don't understand is why it keeps overwritting the other installs forcing you to reinstall everytime you select a different act.

I know I might sound like a bit of a fanboy right now, But I recently bought MGS4 (beat it about 3 days ago) and something that ticks me off about the game: You have to reinstall each act. Yea.

Essentially, this is the worse case scenario people talked about if MGS4 were to be ported to the 360. It'd have to be like 5 disks (5 disks = 50 GB, even though MGS4 is 30GB). So essentially, blu-ray is limiting the drive speed so there's installs. So basically it runs like this:

Instead of switching disks, you have to install the game for each act. Now here's the (un)funny part: It takes roughly 15 seconds to switch a disk, it takes about 5 minutes for MGS4 to install each act.

So wouldn't MGS4 be, in reality, better suited for the 360 as far as a storage medium goes?

* this is not a bashing thread about MGS4. In fact I love the game. One of my favorites this gen. However, this is essentially what ps3 fanboys were ranting about what could happen with the 360. It happened with the ps3 first, and is much worse than how the ps3 fanboys said it'd be. Note: I am not saying that these installs are hard (it's whatever, i'd rather them not be there since going between levels requires it, but it's not a big deal).

MrCoolguy123

I know exactly what you're talking about Haee, I haven't seen my MGS1 Disc 2 in an eternity........SNAAAKE!no_handlebars

HAH, what a coincidence because right now im playing through MGS1 again. :D

Boy, this game IMO stood the test of time.

Im pretty sure the drive speed of the Blu-Ray isnt the only reason there are installs...

If it were every single PC game would be able to run without one.

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

leviathan91

I'd much rather have a 1 minute install between each act then 5 discs. I don't have a problem with either but a 1 minute install isn't bad at all. The install at the beginning of the game is only 5 minutes. Neither is bad. I don't see the problem.

Long as it lowers load times it's fine by me. Keep in mind the most of the PS3's titles that have installs are only 5 minutes to install. Only ones that i can think of that are longer are DMC4 (20 minutes for some reason) and one other...can't remember the title. But, anyway, with a 5 minute install you can easily just leave it installed when your playing it and then when you take a small break from the game and play a different title for awhile you can just delete the install and then reinstall it when you want to play it again with no trouble. Really, it saves space. I don't see the problem.

[QUOTE="MrCoolguy123"]

I know I might sound like a bit of a fanboy right now, But I recently bought MGS4 (beat it about 3 days ago) and something that ticks me off about the game: You have to reinstall each act. Yea.

Essentially, this is the worse case scenario people talked about if MGS4 were to be ported to the 360. It'd have to be like 5 disks (5 disks = 50 GB, even though MGS4 is 30GB). So essentially, blu-ray is limiting the drive speed so there's installs. So basically it runs like this:

Instead of switching disks, you have to install the game for each act. Now here's the (un)funny part: It takes roughly 15 seconds to switch a disk, it takes about 5 minutes for MGS4 to install each act.

So wouldn't MGS4 be, in reality, better suited for the 360 as far as a storage medium goes?

* this is not a bashing thread about MGS4. In fact I love the game. One of my favorites this gen. However, this is essentially what ps3 fanboys were ranting about what could happen with the 360. It happened with the ps3 first, and is much worse than how the ps3 fanboys said it'd be. Note: I am not saying that these installs are hard (it's whatever, i'd rather them not be there since going between levels requires it, but it's not a big deal).

darth-pyschosis

What's wrong with multipe disks. MGS4 is 32 GBs. I'm not going to even get into the fact that I bet there is so much repeated content/ dev scrap in there (as that's a rediculoud size considering sizes of JRPGs with more cutscenes, Lost Odyssey for example).

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

fiercedeity901

Jees, installs are not a big deal, nor is disk swapping- that's a thing I tried to highlight here!

However, the actual space installs take up are sort ofan issue. It'd be okay if it were 1 or 2 games, but seriously, why is every major title needing this? Still not a huge deal, but... ahh, whatever. It's not like there's a whole lot of the PS store

What I don't understand is why it keeps overwritting the other installs forcing you to reinstall everytime you select a different act.

elbow2k

My understanding is that Sony has a limit on how big an install can be (5 GB). Because MGS4 would otherwise surpass that limit, they instead overwrite the install each time, so that there are only 5 GB saved on the hard drive at any given time.

You could say that. I wont try and spin it...But it is without-a-shadow-of-a-doubt.....one of, if not THE best games I have ever played.

Not even kidding. Story never gets old and the only complaint I have is the fact that auto aim is also online.

What I don't understand is why it keeps overwritting the other installs forcing you to reinstall everytime you select a different act.

elbow2k

The game is 30GB+. If the game didn't overwrite the existing install then you would be saying goodbye to your HDD. This game is simply too epic, even for the PS3 - hence the installs. If PS3's came with say, a 160GB HDD as standard, then I would imagine there would be a complete install at the start instead of for individual acts. Just a thought.

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

MrCoolguy123

Jees, installs are not a big deal, nor is disk swapping- that's a thing I tried to highlight here!

However, the actual space installs take up are sort ofan issue. It'd be okay if it were 1 or 2 games, but seriously, why is every major title needing this? Still not a huge deal, but... ahh, whatever. It's not like there's a whole lot of the PS store

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

leviathan91

You've missed the point. Swapping a disk takes less than that. So the "MGS4 would have to be on multiple disks there for it would suck" argument is nothing more than fanboy talk. And it wouldn't be on 5 disks if it ever did go to the 360.

[QUOTE="MrCoolguy123"][QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

fiercedeity901

Jees, installs are not a big deal, nor is disk swapping- that's a thing I tried to highlight here!

However, the actual space installs take up are sort ofan issue. It'd be okay if it were 1 or 2 games, but seriously, why is every major title needing this? Still not a huge deal, but... ahh, whatever. It's not like there's a whole lot of the PS store

Thats why Sony lets you replace your HDD without voiding the warranty (and you dont even have to buy a 'Sony' HDD)
If only MS let you do that.

I wonder if they have SSDs that fit the PS3 yet...?

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="MrCoolguy123"][QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

fluxorator

Jees, installs are not a big deal, nor is disk swapping- that's a thing I tried to highlight here!

However, the actual space installs take up are sort ofan issue. It'd be okay if it were 1 or 2 games, but seriously, why is every major title needing this? Still not a huge deal, but... ahh, whatever. It's not like there's a whole lot of the PS store

Thats why Sony lets you replace your HDD without voiding the warranty (and you dont even have to buy a 'Sony' HDD)
If only MS let you do that.

I wonder if they have SSDs that fit the PS3 yet...?

I wonder if they have SSDs that fit the PS3 yet...?fluxorator

Bad idea, limited number of writes on the technology, with a couple of games like this constantly reinstalling it wouldn't live very long.

trust me...M$'s 120GB is all u need and the HDD is on the outside of the console, so there's no warranty void either oh, and u don't have to worry about installs on the 360 either...so i only have a 20GB and man i'm fine with it an doing great...if i had a 120GB, i'd be in heavenfiercedeity901

Have you seen the price of those things?

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

Haee

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

Haee

Well, what if you lose the ONE disk for MGS4. Then you've lost the entire game.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

xsubtownerx

You've missed the point. Swapping a disk takes less than that. So the "MGS4 would have to be on multiple disks there for it would suck" argument is nothing more than fanboy talk. And it wouldn't be on 5 disks if it ever did go to the 360.

What can you say, people will always find an excuse to justify the game being exclusive to their console. If they don't use the disc swapping excuse then they'll use the product placement excuse with the iPod (replace with a Zune), the Sony Ericson (replace with a generic cell), etc...

Not that I care since I got it already, but it's getting old on both sides. Either you got Cows who act like it would be a worse crime than 9/11 to port MGS4 to the 360 or you got Lemmings who want to see it happen not because they actually want to play it but because they just want to laugh at the Cows and say "I told you so" while watching the ones with serious issues writing Konami demanding they cancel it.

[QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

MetroidPrimePwn

Well, what if you lose the ONE disk for MGS4. Then you've lost the entire game.

^ I lol'd

[QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

club-sandwich

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

fiercedeity901

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

SOedipus

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

Haee

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Five minutes? Each install during acts take only three minutes. :?

darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

SOedipus

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

Umm... not meaning to burst you bubble hear, rather trying to smash is: You realize that you'd be even more screwed with 1 disk. At least with multiple disks you can still play some of it... or exchange it at walmart (they don't care, they just look for a disk and say okay)

[QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

club-sandwich

Why would I have to be an idiot?

I have lost countless games to my little brother. He's about 4 years old, and goes through my stuff, he pretends that a disc is a firsbee. There goes my game. He knows of all my hiding places and still plays with the discs like frisbees.

I have also lost a game to my dog, and a game to an earthquake.

So yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to LOSE a disc physically, but you don't have to be an idiot to have a game damaged without it being your fault.

And true either way, we'd still have to buy the game over again.

[QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

MrCoolguy123

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

Umm... not meaning to burst you bubble hear, rather trying to smash is: You realize that you'd be even more screwed with 1 disk. At least with multiple disks you can still play some of it... or exchange it at walmart (they don't care, they just look for a disk and say okay)

[QUOTE="SOedipus"][QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

MrCoolguy123

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

Umm... not meaning to burst you bubble hear, rather trying to smash is: You realize that you'd be even more screwed with 1 disk. At least with multiple disks you can still play some of it... or exchange it at walmart (they don't care, they just look for a disk and say okay)

What if you messed up the first disk of a 4-5 disk set? Then all of the other disks are practically useless since you can't access them without beating the first disk... I'm not saying multiple disks are bad. They have their faults and advantages.

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

verbtex

Why would I have to be an idiot?

I have lost countless games to my little brother. He's about 4 years old, and goes through my stuff, he pretends that a disc is a firsbee. There goes my game. He knows of all my hiding places and still plays with the discs like frisbees.

I have also lost a game to my dog, and a game to an earthquake.

So yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to LOSE a disc physically, but you don't have to be an idiot to have a game damaged without it being your fault.

And true either way, we'd still have to buy the game over again.

The same thing is true if the game is on one disk.

[QUOTE="club-sandwich"][QUOTE="Haee"]

It truely depends on ones view on multiple disks. Yeah the install times arent long but still annoying after you finish an act but what if you lose a one out of the 5 disks (Theoratically speaking)? You're screwed.

SOedipus

....right. What happens if the disk gets scratched up? What if there is an accident? You lose one, you break one, whatever, he has a valid point.

That is why my discs don't leave the case except to go in the console. Hell, if I could keep up with all of my PS2 and Wii games in Iraq while living in a tent with half a dozen other guys then I'm pretty sure your average gamer can hold on to a mulit-disc game they keep in their living room or bedroom. If they have a small child in the house common sense should tell them to keep the games out of their reach so they don't grab a game and make it disappear.

[QUOTE="fiercedeity901"]trust me...M$'s 120GB is all u need and the HDD is on the outside of the console, so there's no warranty void either oh, and u don't have to worry about installs on the 360 either...so i only have a 20GB and man i'm fine with it an doing great...if i had a 120GB, i'd be in heavenAnnoyedDragon

Have you seen the price of those things?

The Elite is still cheaper than a 80GB PS3, so does it matter?