MGS4 ~ What's all the hype about?

Well, today I picked up a PS3 with a few games. I grabbed Uncharted, Saints Row 2, GTA IV, Resistance, and MGS4, mainly because of the high reviews it got. I loved the other games, but as for MGS4... I just don't really understand. The game itself is easy enough, I'm not having any trouble with it, it's just the gameplay that's getting to me. I appreciate the whole stealth aspect to it, but it feels kind of... meh. I never really liked previous Metal Gear Solid games, so that might be why, but I still don't understand how this could have gotten a 10 rating?

Unlike what a lot of people have said, I really enjoyed the cutscenes. They kept me interested in the game even though I never really got into the basic storyline or characters of the series. It was also a nice break from the gameplay which was my main problem with the game. Am I missing something here? The gameplay just seems very plain. Stealth around, camo into the wall or ground, shoot stuff, sneak through to the next level. While I'm still working on finishing the whole game, I can't say I'm too impressed with what I've seen so far. At least not 10 points worth of impressed.:|

I think I just walked through a black hole. Give me a minute while a rejoin to current space time continuum. (So nerdy I know. Infact scratch that it probably dosn't even make any sense.)

There is no hype, the game has been out for months. Besides the only reason you probably don't like it is:

1. You never played MGS1, 2 and 3, which is essentially nessecary.

2. It's not you're cup of tea.

I never really liked previous Metal Gear Solid games

LittleHands134

Why did you think this would be any different? Didint like Gears 1? chances are you wont like gears 2.. common sense

The game's definitely not for everyone. For me, it's one of the best games I've ever played.

I wouldn't call the game "easy", but of course, there are different difficulty levels, so if it's too easy, then maybe you should move up one.

I loved the gameplay, epic story, amazing graphics and good online. Overall a great package and well worht the 10 imo.EVOLV3

I don't know. It seems like the game is solely for fans of the Metal Gear Solid series and fans of stealth games. A rating as huge as a 10 and from what a lot of people have told me made it out to be a game that everyone could get something from. It's just not like that though. If you're a fan of MGS and stealth type games, I'd imagine this would be amazing. But for everyone else, it's not a 10. To be completely honest with you, the rating seems a little biased.

You won't understand 4 unless you go 1, 2, and 3....errr 3, 1, then 2 :P

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I loved the gameplay, epic story, amazing graphics and good online. Overall a great package and well worht the 10 imo.LittleHands134

I don't know. It seems like the game is solely for fans of the Metal Gear Solid series and fans of stealth games. A rating as huge as a 10 and from what a lot of people have told me made it out to be a game that everyone could get something from. It's just not like that though. If you're a fan of MGS and stealth type games, I'd imagine this would be amazing. But for everyone else, it's not a 10. To be completely honest with you, the rating seems a little biased.

That's because it is.

Just because a game scores a 10 dosn't mean it needs to apeal to everyone. All the truly fantastic games have limited apeal. If a game deserves a 10, it's because it excels in it's genre, not because it has "mass apeal".

Most of the hype came from hardcore MGS fans, who wanted to see the next part in the "epic" MGS story.

As far as gaming goes, it's just MGS with a new coat of paint.

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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I loved the gameplay, epic story, amazing graphics and good online. Overall a great package and well worht the 10 imo.Thessassin

I don't know. It seems like the game is solely for fans of the Metal Gear Solid series and fans of stealth games. A rating as huge as a 10 and from what a lot of people have told me made it out to be a game that everyone could get something from. It's just not like that though. If you're a fan of MGS and stealth type games, I'd imagine this would be amazing. But for everyone else, it's not a 10. To be completely honest with you, the rating seems a little biased.

That's because it is.

Just because a game scores a 10 dosn't mean it needs to apeal to everyone. All the truly fantastic games have limited apeal. If a game deserves a 10, it's because it excels in it's genre, not because it has "mass apeal".

According to GS laws that's EXACTLY what it means. Mass appeal.

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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I loved the gameplay, epic story, amazing graphics and good online. Overall a great package and well worht the 10 imo.ukillwegrill

I don't know. It seems like the game is solely for fans of the Metal Gear Solid series and fans of stealth games. A rating as huge as a 10 and from what a lot of people have told me made it out to be a game that everyone could get something from. It's just not like that though. If you're a fan of MGS and stealth type games, I'd imagine this would be amazing. But for everyone else, it's not a 10. To be completely honest with you, the rating seems a little biased.

That's because it is.

Just because a game scores a 10 dosn't mean it needs to apeal to everyone. All the truly fantastic games have limited apeal. If a game deserves a 10, it's because it excels in it's genre, not because it has "mass apeal".

According to GS laws that's EXACTLY what it means. Mass appeal.

So when MGS4 was released and PS3 sales went up.. that was a coincidence? the game does have mass appeal, not everybody will love a game, theres always going to be haters. GTA4 got a 10 and ppl complain about that.. same story here.

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[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]I loved the gameplay, epic story, amazing graphics and good online. Overall a great package and well worht the 10 imo.Thessassin

I don't know. It seems like the game is solely for fans of the Metal Gear Solid series and fans of stealth games. A rating as huge as a 10 and from what a lot of people have told me made it out to be a game that everyone could get something from. It's just not like that though. If you're a fan of MGS and stealth type games, I'd imagine this would be amazing. But for everyone else, it's not a 10. To be completely honest with you, the rating seems a little biased.

That's because it is.

Just because a game scores a 10 dosn't mean it needs to apeal to everyone. All the truly fantastic games have limited apeal. If a game deserves a 10, it's because it excels in it's genre, not because it has "mass apeal".

According to GS laws that's EXACTLY what it means. Mass appeal.

So when MGS4 was released and PS3 sales went up.. that was a coincidence? the game does have mass appeal, not everybody will love a game, theres always going to be haters. GTA4 got a 10 and ppl complain about that.. same story here.

Hey buddie, i never said it didnt have Mass appeal, you hinted towards it.

BUT, it does not have Mass appeal, it's a sequel to a very story orientated game ... only fans of the series and those drawn into the hype would buy it, Hence why sales of it dropped so fast.

BUT, it does not have Mass appeal, it's a sequel to a very story orientated game ... only fans of the series and those drawn into the hype would buy it, Hence why sales of it dropped so fast."

Why am I confused? I said it didn't have mass appeal (Is it two 'p's or one?) for that very reason, but I don't think Gamespot have to be limited to giving out tens to games that apeal (Means I atleast get one right) to everyone.

I played it with a combination of all out action and stealth (you don't have to play it stealthy if you don't enjoy stealth gameplay) with those smartly designed gameplay setups ............................... then throw in the fun boss battles , entertaining action/chase scenes , awesome array of weapons and gadgets to play with and Drebin's shop , kick arse cutscenes , amazing graphics and sound for immersion , and a breath of fresh air multiplayer among the all of the standard cookie-cutter shooters , and there you go - Game of the forever. 10 well deserved Kojima Productions. Hopefully my check is in the mail.

You must have a lot of cash to burn to be able to pick up a PS3 and almost $300 worth of games.

Yeah, I don't get MGS4, either.

"Hey buddie, i never said it didnt have Mass appeal, you hinted towards it.

BUT, it does not have Mass appeal, it's a sequel to a very story orientated game ... only fans of the series and those drawn into the hype would buy it, Hence why sales of it dropped so fast."

Why am I confused? I said it didn't have mass appeal (Is it two 'p's or one?) for that very reason, but I don't think Gamespot have to be limited to giving out tens to games that apeal (Means I atleast get one right) to everyone.

WasntAvailable

I agree. Games should be judged on there own merits, not hindered by appeal, or the fact its a sequel.

But GS do as they like. (Although, they dont follow there own rules)

It got a 10 because its at the peak of the stealth action genre. This is the type of game that you have to complete to truly appreciate its glory. I guess I can understand why you would like it, although I thought people would hate the cutscenes before they hated the sneaking. You can not be a fan of the series and love it. MGS4 was my first MGS game and its now one of my favorite games of all time. Thats why I dont believe it when people say only fans of the series will like it, because to enjoy you only need to be a gamer with an open mind. ;)TheGrat1

Peak? It's not. At all.

MGS2 was the peak.

splinter cell is a better stealth title, thats right, i said it XDjeezers

splinter cell is a better stealth title, thats right, i said it XDjeezers

As much as i thought MGS4 was one the best games i have played in years. Thats a fair argument. Splinter Cell Chaos Theory was, and still is the best stealth gameplay you can find. Metal Gear Solid trys to be a jack of all trades, and be a shooter as well. You cant beat Chaos Theory in stealth.

It was all good until I got to the mission in London, Act 3 I think, where I have to follow one of the revolutionary guys to find his hideout. The AI is so stupid, they can see me lying in a dark corner with 90% Octocamo yet they can't spot a guy standing right behind them. Not only that, but whenever the revolutionary guy get's spotted by the guards he runs all the way back to the beginning part of the map to hide, so I have to backtrack like a million times because the damn helicopter keeps spotting either him or me. Anyways I end up losing the guy so now I have to go back and find another guy using that stupid radio that doesn't help. After taking out half the guards and RPG'n the hell out of those hummers I got bored and turned the damn game off. Oh and another thing why when I through a flash grenade at 3 PMC's or guards only one of them get's knock out and I, who is standing 50 feet away, get's caught in the bang and is partially blind yet the other two guards aren't?

Seriously how did this game get a 10? I'm starting to regret my PS3 purchase cause I'm seriously hanging on to a limb.

• I'm not interested in LBP
• Although Resistance was somewhat fun it's still pretty meh compared to other shooters I've played. I hope R2 will be a much better experience for me than the first. IGN's 9.5 says yes, but I don't know
• 50/50 chance that Killzone 2 will be good coming from impressions about the first one. Though the recent videos make the game look epic
• Who knows when GOW3 is coming out
• Tekken 6 losing it's exclusitivity
• Multiplats still better on 360
• Me realizing that I just fell for the blu ray hype. I can't believe I spent $25 for a hi-def dvd when I could have just bought the dvd for $5 new and watch it in upconverted HD which I'm pretty contempt about doing. Hell I don't even buy movies, I just watch them once unless there good then I watch them every blue moon.

You either like Metal Gear Solid or you don't.

I didn't like Halo 1 or Halo 2, so why would I like Halo 3?

Well, today I picked up a PS3 with a few games. I grabbed Uncharted, Saints Row 2, GTA IV, Resistance, and MGS4, mainly because of the high reviews it got. I loved the other games, but as for MGS4... I just don't really understand. The game itself is easy enough, I'm not having any trouble with it, it's just the gameplay that's getting to me. I appreciate the whole stealth aspect to it, but it feels kind of... meh. I never really liked previous Metal Gear Solid games, so that might be why, but I still don't understand how this could have gotten a 10 rating?

Unlike what a lot of people have said, I really enjoyed the cutscenes. They kept me interested in the game even though I never really got into the basic storyline or characters of the series. It was also a nice break from the gameplay which was my main problem with the game. Am I missing something here? The gameplay just seems very plain. Stealth around, camo into the wall or ground, shoot stuff, sneak through to the next level. While I'm still working on finishing the whole game, I can't say I'm too impressed with what I've seen so far. At least not 10 points worth of impressed.:|

LittleHands134

you played the easy mode, did you?:?

I don't get the hype either. Besides the awesome visuals, I don't see what makes MGS4 anything but a generic stealth action game with some craziness tossed in for good measure. A rental, if anything.efrucht

how is it generic, sir?

MGS4 is not "easy" if u play on normal and up, as for the game story to sum1 who didnt play ne of the other metal gears it would be like reading lord of the rings return of the king and not reading the 1st 2 novelszomgwtfbbqlol1

yeah it is, all you gotta do is use drebin points and buy anti tank rockets and use them over and over on every boss in the game.

oh and i too couldnt understand the 10 it got, i just beat raging raven, and man this games having trouble keeping my interest. (and i liked the other metal gears) i think the cut scenes are really whats getting annoying to me, play 30 minutes then watch a cut scene for 45, kinda sucks. yes the graphics are pretty, but i dont really like the gameplay that much. (which is weird, since i liked the other MGS games gameplay)

Well, today I picked up a PS3 with a few games. I grabbed Uncharted, Saints Row 2, GTA IV, Resistance, and MGS4, mainly because of the high reviews it got. I loved the other games, but as for MGS4... I just don't really understand. The game itself is easy enough, I'm not having any trouble with it, it's just the gameplay that's getting to me. I appreciate the whole stealth aspect to it, but it feels kind of... meh. I never really liked previous Metal Gear Solid games, so that might be why, but I still don't understand how this could have gotten a 10 rating?

Unlike what a lot of people have said, I really enjoyed the cutscenes. They kept me interested in the game even though I never really got into the basic storyline or characters of the series. It was also a nice break from the gameplay which was my main problem with the game. Am I missing something here? The gameplay just seems very plain. Stealth around, camo into the wall or ground, shoot stuff, sneak through to the next level. While I'm still working on finishing the whole game, I can't say I'm too impressed with what I've seen so far. At least not 10 points worth of impressed.:|

LittleHands134

i must say i agree with you. but your opinion will be considered blasphemy to many of the metal gear nuts around here. i think it was a good game, but not a ten. a 9-9.5, but not a 10. just like gta didn't deserve a 10.

your right, the gameplay is pretty lacklustre to most people.. and the online is terrible. I really don't know how it got a 10. People must really love awkward and confusing stories.diped

i loled at that. prepare to be flamed by the cult following of metal gear.:roll:

i have to agree with you, though.

[QUOTE="diped"]your right, the gameplay is pretty lacklustre to most people.. and the online is terrible. I really don't know how it got a 10. People must really love awkward and confusing stories.thesmiter

i loled at that. prepare to be flamed by the cult following of metal gear.:roll:

i have to agree with you, though.

you have to look at it from another perspective, compared to many games, MGS4 is a league of its own, story-wise, character-wise, etc.

No other game matches its level of story telling, atleast IMO and many others, its like a actual MOVIE, its deep and thrilling, expecially if your a fan. Add that with awesome boss battles, some of the best character detail/graphics, stealth gameplay and an online system, while NOT perfect, but WORKS. its the whole package.

everyones opinion differs, but the reviews back it up. GS gave it a 10, but it wasn't the only place, IGN was willing to give it a 11. You just have to be a fan to really appreciate it. IMO.

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[QUOTE="diped"]your right, the gameplay is pretty lacklustre to most people.. and the online is terrible. I really don't know how it got a 10. People must really love awkward and confusing stories.Eyezonmii

i loled at that. prepare to be flamed by the cult following of metal gear.:roll:

i have to agree with you, though.

you have to look at it from another perspective, compared to many games, MGS4 is a league of its own, story-wise, character-wise, etc.

No other game matches its level of story telling, atleast IMO and many others, its like a actual MOVIE, its deep and thrilling, expecially if your a fan. Add that with awesome boss battles, some of the best character detail/graphics, stealth gameplay and an online system, while NOT perfect, but WORKS. its the whole package.

everyones opinion differs, but the reviews back it up. GS gave it a 10, but it wasn't the only place, IGN was willing to give it a 11. You just have to be a fan to really appreciate it. IMO.

true, indeed. but i've been called something along the lines of 'a mindless fps player who isn't intelligent enough to appreciate the uniqueness of metal gear.'

i understand its uniqueness. i just can't get into it. but yes, it is a very unique game. i just don't think it deserved a 10. it was in no way perfect in all aspects, multiplayer being one aspect that was a little lacking. but it was a unique and interesting game, none-the-less.

your right, the gameplay is pretty lacklustre to most people.. and the online is terrible. I really don't know how it got a 10. People must really love awkward and confusing stories.diped

Confusing story? I perfectly understand the story and let me tell you, NO game has come close to matching the story of the MGS games. It keeps you at the edge of your seat, you and lots of people just bought it for the hype and not because you actually play the series. IF MGS4 doesn't get GOTY then I lost hope in gaming, because every other game I have played felt empty ever since I beat MGS4. Im serious. This is not a lie, I have GeOW2, Please don't ask me how I got it (It's a long story). GeOW2 didn't achieve the standard set for storytelling in MGS4, no game has....yet...until MGS5 perhaps?

[QUOTE="diped"]your right, the gameplay is pretty lacklustre to most people.. and the online is terrible. I really don't know how it got a 10. People must really love awkward and confusing stories.Blazerdt47

Confusing story? I perfectly understand the story and let me tell you, NO game has come close to matching the story of the MGS games. It keeps you at the edge of your seat, you and lots of people just bought it for the hype and not because you actually play the series. IF MGS4 doesn't get GOTY then I lost hope in gaming, because every other game I have played felt empty ever since I beat MGS4. Im serious. This is not a lie, I have GeOW2, Please don't ask me how I got it (It's a long story). GeOW2 didn't achieve the standard set for storytelling in MGS4, no game has....yet...until MGS5 perhaps?

told you, diped.:lol:

he probably didn't play the other metal gears, blazerdt47. i had to look up who the characters were and of what significance they were to the current story.

it took me a while to peice everything together. now imagine if someone were to play the game without knowing the history of snake, big boss, liquid snake, or liquid ocelot. i had no idea how liquid snake became liquid ocelot, until i looked it up.

its easy to see how the story can be confusing, unless you're a die-hard fan of metal gear.