Microsoft abandoned the casual gamer in 2012

The problem with MS is that they have completly abandoned the casual gamer

All their 2012 games like Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3, Ryse, Fable JOurney, Alan Wake 2, Haunt, Star Wars, Dust, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, Ghost Recon, Halo 4, Battleblock Theater, Bloodforge, Clas3 MMO, FEZ, Hybid, Minecraft, Skyrim exlusive expansions etc are only for core gamers

It is sad, but they have totally abandoned the casual gamers for 2012, not a single casual game planned is very dissapointing imo, they should try more

What do you think, will MS ever come back to supporing the casual market at all ?

I didn't know CD Projekt was owned by Microsoft :roll: and Mass Effect 3 isn't even an exclusive

I didn't know CD Projekt was owned by Microsoft :roll: and Mass Effect 3 isn't even an exclusive

NoodleFighter

Well, only xbox 360 gets Witcher 2 on consoles and Mass EFfect 3 gets exlusive Kinect support only on 360 as well

You label Star Wars and Fable Journey being for core gamers. Star Wars is about as far away from that as possible, and Fable Journey needs much more media exposure before we can ascertain that.

Regardless, how many of these games are MS directly developing and/or publishing?

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I didn't know CD Projekt was owned by Microsoft :roll: and Mass Effect 3 isn't even an exclusive

loosingENDS

Well, only xbox 360 gets Witcher 2 on consoles and Mass EFfect 3 gets exlusive Kinect support only on 360 as well

Yes, those amazing Kinect controls.

You label Star Wars and Fable Journey being for core gamers. Star Wars is about as far away from that as possible, and Fable Journey needs much more media exposure before we can ascertain that.

Regardless, how many of these games are MS directly developing and/or publishing?

lundy86_4

Most of them, but i mean that generally all games 360 gets in 2012 are core games

And MS is not making a single casual game for it, like they did in 2011 with Disney, Sessamee, Sports etc

Star Wars is core too, it is not a linear shooter, or a party game, so it is not casual, it has huge gameplay variety too, so it may be simplistic and a bit mediocre, but it is still a core game 1000%

Without even looking i saw 3 multiplatform games that he listed as xbox exclusives.

Without even looking i saw 3 multiplatform games that he listed as xbox exclusives.

crimsonman1245

I did not label any of those games exluisves or not really, those are just the biggest 360 titles for 2012 that other consoles dont get

How many times am I going to have to post this damn thing?

That is your future lems, starting this year. Get used to it.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

I didn't know CD Projekt was owned by Microsoft :roll: and Mass Effect 3 isn't even an exclusive

sneslover

Well, only xbox 360 gets Witcher 2 on consoles and Mass EFfect 3 gets exlusive Kinect support only on 360 as well

Yes, those amazing Kinect controls.

I stay away from these exclusives squables,but why in almost every one of these threads is Mass Effect 3 included as an 360 exclusive?

Get it right,its NOT exclusive.PC and PS3 are getting it too,and some Kinect gimmick DOESN'T make the game 360 exclusive,and probably doesn't even make it the superior version!

Another thing,Alan Wake American Nightmare is NOT Alan Wake 2,its just a downloadable spin-off!

And Skyrim DLC is not 360 exclusive,just because you're getting it a week before PS3 and PC doesn't make it exclusive,not even timed exclusive!

I stay away from these exclusives squables,but why in almost every one of these threads is Mass Effect 3 included as an 360 exclusive?

Get it right,its NOT exclusive.PC and PS3 are getting it too,and some Kinect gimmick DOESN'T make the game 360 exclusive,and probably doesn't even make it the superior version!

Rocker6

When did i say ME3 is exlusive ?

But the Kinect controls are only on 360 indeed, so i would never buy another version, so still an enchanced on 360 game and a core one

Plus unlike PS3, it supports Mass Effect 1 saves

No. Microsoft is betting hard on the casual games with Kinect. Good thing is that in a couple of years nobody will remember Kinect anymore.

Just noticed Haunt is a kinect game....how is that not casual?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You label Star Wars and Fable Journey being for core gamers. Star Wars is about as far away from that as possible, and Fable Journey needs much more media exposure before we can ascertain that.

Regardless, how many of these games are MS directly developing and/or publishing?

loosingENDS

Most of them, but i mean that generally all games 360 gets in 2012 are core games

And MS is not making a single casual game for it, like they did in 2011 with Disney, Sessamee, Sports etc

Star Wars is core too, it is not a linear shooter, or a party game, so it is not casual, it has huge gameplay variety too, so it may be simplistic and a bit mediocre, but it is still a core game 1000%

Please list which ones are directly developed or published by MS.

Casual isn't defined by being linear or being a party game. If the game does turn out to be a "core" game, it still has to battle awful controls (as has been seen via gameplay vids). It's not something to brag about at this point. I feel that the labels of "core" and "casual" have blurred together quite a lot. Distinctions are not as easy anymore.

No. Microsoft is betting hard on the casual games with Kinect. Good thing is that in a couple of years nobody will remember Kinect anymore.

tjricardo089

Then why did they completly stop making casual Kinect titles and all their 2012 games are core ones ?

They have zero support for casual games in 2012, not a single title i know of

The problem with MS is that they have completly abandoned the casual gamer

All their 2012 games like Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3, Ryse, Fable JOurney, Alan Wake AN, Haunt, Star Wars, Dust, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, Ghost Recon, Halo 4, Battleblock Theater, Bloodforge, Clas3 MMO, FEZ, Hybid, Minecraft, Skyrim exlusive expansions etc are only for core gamers

It is sad, but they have totally abandoned the casual gamers for 2012, not a single casual game planned is very dissapointing imo, they should try more

What do you think, will MS ever come back to supporing the casual market at all ?

loosingENDS

The ones in red have something in common.

How many times am I going to have to post this damn thing?

That is your future lems, starting this year. Get used to it.

ChubbyGuy40

For the last time this is interactive television. Also it's meant for kids. :|

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I stay away from these exclusives squables,but why in almost every one of these threads is Mass Effect 3 included as an 360 exclusive?

Get it right,its NOT exclusive.PC and PS3 are getting it too,and some Kinect gimmick DOESN'T make the game 360 exclusive,and probably doesn't even make it the superior version!

loosingENDS

When did i say ME3 is exlusive ?

But the Kinect controls are only on 360 indeed, so i would never buy another version, so still an enchanced on 360 game and a core one

Plus unlike PS3, it supports Mass Effect 1 saves

Was just hasty,by saying "All their 2012 games...",I thought you were calling them all 360 exclusive.My mistake...

Just noticed Haunt is a kinect game....how is that not casual?

crimsonman1245

Please list which ones are directly developed or published by MS.

Casual isn't defined by being linear or being a party game. If the game does turn out to be a "core" game, it still has to battle awful controls (as has been seen via gameplay vids). It's not something to brag about at this point. I feel that the labels of "core" and "casual" have blurred together quite a lot. Distinctions are not as easy anymore.

lundy86_4

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

Was just hasty,by saying "All their 2012 games...",I thought you were calling them all 360 exclusive.My mistake...

Rocker6

I meant the big games they get on 360 of course, not that they are all exclusives

That also includes all MS developerd or published games too

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Please list which ones are directly developed or published by MS.

Casual isn't defined by being linear or being a party game. If the game does turn out to be a "core" game, it still has to battle awful controls (as has been seen via gameplay vids). It's not something to brag about at this point. I feel that the labels of "core" and "casual" have blurred together quite a lot. Distinctions are not as easy anymore.

loosingENDS

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

Can I play the Witcher 2 on my PS3 this year? Nope only on the 360! :cool:

Also Star Wars is going to be cool I bet.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Please list which ones are directly developed or published by MS.

Casual isn't defined by being linear or being a party game. If the game does turn out to be a "core" game, it still has to battle awful controls (as has been seen via gameplay vids). It's not something to brag about at this point. I feel that the labels of "core" and "casual" have blurred together quite a lot. Distinctions are not as easy anymore.

lundy86_4

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

I dont see what communism has in common with a dictatorship, considering in communism the men in power are directly elected from the people (like Soviets in USSR), while in a dictatorship there is nothing like that of course

.

But anyway, here is a analysis

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Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

Mass Effect 3 (exlusive Kinect support)

Ryse (3rd party exclusive by Crytek, MS published)

Fable Journey (1st party exclusive by Lionhead, MS published)

Alan Wake American Nightmare (3rd party exclusive by Remedy, MS published)

Haunt (3rd party exclusive by Sega, MS published)

Star Wars (3rd party exclusive by Lucasarts, MS published)

Dust Elysian Tale (1st party exclusive by Humble Hearts, MS published)

Project Draco (3rd party exclusive by Grounding, Panzer Dragoon developer, MS published)

Steel Batallion (3rd party exclusive by From Software, Dark Souls developer, MS published)

Ghost Recon - exlusive Kinect support

Halo 4 (3rd party exclusive by 343, MS published)

Battleblock Theater (3rd party exclusive by Behemoth, Castle Crashers developer, MS published)

Bloodforge (3rd party exclusive by Climax, Sudeki developer, MS published)

Clas3 MMO (3rd party exclusive, MS published)

FEZ

Hybid (3rd party exclusive by 5th Cell, MS published)

Minecraft

Skyrim Expansions 30 day exclusive on 360

Didnt they announce Alan Wake for PC?

Didnt they announce Alan Wake for PC?

crimsonman1245

Yes, but the old one

The new one is announced as XBLA exlusive and is not annoucned for PC at all

Can I play the Witcher 2 on my PS3 this year? Nope only on the 360! :cool:

Also Star Wars is going to be cool I bet.

xhawk27

Frankly, even though the gameplay seems a bit simplistic, if it has enough variety i will definatly buy it as a huge Star Wars fan, just for the setting alone

Also from what i see it has some very nice variety in gameplay, like racing sections, controlling a beast, light saber fights etc, so it could be fun too

Didnt they announce Alan Wake for PC?

crimsonman1245

They did but the new XBLA Alan Wake is only on the 360. :)

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

loosingENDS

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

I dont see what communism has in common with a dictatorship, considering in communism the men in power are directly elected from the people (like Soviets in USSR), while in a dictatorship there is nothing like that of course

.

But anyway, here is a analysis

.

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

Mass Effect 3 (exlusive Kinect support)

Ryse (3rd party exclusive by Crytek, MS published)

Fable Journey (1st party exclusive by Lionhead, MS published)

Alan Wake American Nightmare (3rd party exclusive by Remedy, MS published)

Haunt (3rd party exclusive by Sega, MS published)

Star Wars (3rd party exclusive by Lucasarts, MS published)

Dust Elysian Tale (1st party exclusive by Humble Hearts, MS published)

Project Draco (3rd party exclusive by Grounding, Panzer Dragoon developer, MS published)

Steel Batallion (3rd party exclusive by From Software, Dark Souls developer, MS published)

Ghost Recon - exlusive Kinect support

Halo 4 (3rd party exclusive by 343, MS published)

Battleblock Theater (3rd party exclusive by Behemoth, Castle Crashers developer, MS published)

Bloodforge (3rd party exclusive by Climax, Sudeki developer, MS published)

Clas3 MMO (3rd party exclusive, MS published)

FEZ

Hybid (3rd party exclusive by 5th Cell, MS published)

Minecraft

Skyrim Expansions 30 day exclusive on 360

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

loosingENDS

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

Halo 4 is first party, and the fact you listed Skyrim DLC is **** hilarious.

I dont see what communism has in common with a dictatorship, considering in communism the men in power are directly elected from the people (like Soviets in USSR), while in a dictatorship there is nothing like that of course

.

But anyway, here is a analysis

.

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

Mass Effect 3 (exlusive Kinect support)

Ryse (3rd party exclusive by Crytek, MS published)

Fable Journey (1st party exclusive by Lionhead, MS published)

Alan Wake American Nightmare (3rd party exclusive by Remedy, MS published)

Haunt (3rd party exclusive by Sega, MS published)

Star Wars (3rd party exclusive by Lucasarts, MS published)

Dust Elysian Tale (1st party exclusive by Humble Hearts, MS published)

Project Draco (3rd party exclusive by Grounding, Panzer Dragoon developer, MS published)

Steel Batallion (3rd party exclusive by From Software, Dark Souls developer, MS published)

Ghost Recon - exlusive Kinect support

Halo 4 (3rd party exclusive by 343, MS published)

Battleblock Theater (3rd party exclusive by Behemoth, Castle Crashers developer, MS published)

Bloodforge (3rd party exclusive by Climax, Sudeki developer, MS published)

Clas3 MMO (3rd party exclusive, MS published)

FEZ

Hybid (3rd party exclusive by 5th Cell, MS published)

Minecraft

Skyrim Expansions 30 day exclusive on 360

Halo 4 is first party, and LOL at Akyrim dlc.

[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

No. Microsoft is betting hard on the casual games with Kinect. Good thing is that in a couple of years nobody will remember Kinect anymore.

loosingENDS

Then why did they completly stop making casual Kinect titles and all their 2012 games are core ones ?

They have zero support for casual games in 2012, not a single title i know of

Alan Wake AN is self published and is also on the PC. SAGE_OF_FIRE

Link ?

Gamespot says MS is publisher and is xbox 360 exlcusive

So does IGN

http://www.gamespot.com/alan-wakes-american-nightmare/

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/objects/107/107924.html

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Actually when a game is over simplistic, like a party, sports, dance, it is for casual market, for the masses of gamers

The more involving experinces, like RPGs, adventures or tactical shooters are core imo

loosingENDS

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

I dont see what communism has in common with a dictatorship, considering in communism the men in power are directly elected from the people (like Soviets in USSR), while in a dictatorship there is nothing like that of course

.

But anyway, here is a analysis

.

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

Mass Effect 3 (exlusive Kinect support)

Ryse (3rd party exclusive by Crytek, MS published)

Fable Journey (1st party exclusive by Lionhead, MS published)

Alan Wake American Nightmare (3rd party exclusive by Remedy, MS published)

Haunt (3rd party exclusive by Sega, MS published)

Star Wars (3rd party exclusive by Lucasarts, MS published)

Dust Elysian Tale (1st party exclusive by Humble Hearts, MS published)

Project Draco (3rd party exclusive by Grounding, Panzer Dragoon developer, MS published)

Steel Batallion (3rd party exclusive by From Software, Dark Souls developer, MS published)

Ghost Recon - exlusive Kinect support

Halo 4 (3rd party exclusive by 343, MS published)

Battleblock Theater (3rd party exclusive by Behemoth, Castle Crashers developer, MS published)

Bloodforge (3rd party exclusive by Climax, Sudeki developer, MS published)

Clas3 MMO (3rd party exclusive, MS published)

FEZ

Hybid (3rd party exclusive by 5th Cell, MS published)

Minecraft

Skyrim Expansions 30 day exclusive on 360

I didn't say either had much in common. Both allow for those in power to rule over the masses without much accountability (in some cases).

The Witcher 2 is not published/developed by Microsoft.

Ghost Recon is not developed/published by Microsoft.

Skyrim expansions are not developed/published by Microsoft.

As for the rest, thanks for the list.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Again, linearity and party games do not dictate whether a game is casual. Distinctions used to be realtively easy last gen and the ones before. Companies have adapted to attracting both "core" and "casual" gamers.

Singular opinions do not dictate much i'm afraid. Unless it's some form of dictatorship/extreme communism, even those in power are held accountable by the people.

Now, can you please list the games that are directly developed and/or published by Microsoft.

lundy86_4

I dont see what communism has in common with a dictatorship, considering in communism the men in power are directly elected from the people (like Soviets in USSR), while in a dictatorship there is nothing like that of course

.

But anyway, here is a analysis

.

Witcher 2 (PC/360 only)

Mass Effect 3 (exlusive Kinect support)

Ryse (3rd party exclusive by Crytek, MS published)

Fable Journey (1st party exclusive by Lionhead, MS published)

Alan Wake American Nightmare (3rd party exclusive by Remedy, MS published)

Haunt (3rd party exclusive by Sega, MS published)

Star Wars (3rd party exclusive by Lucasarts, MS published)

Dust Elysian Tale (1st party exclusive by Humble Hearts, MS published)

Project Draco (3rd party exclusive by Grounding, Panzer Dragoon developer, MS published)

Steel Batallion (3rd party exclusive by From Software, Dark Souls developer, MS published)

Ghost Recon - exlusive Kinect support

Halo 4 (3rd party exclusive by 343, MS published)

Battleblock Theater (3rd party exclusive by Behemoth, Castle Crashers developer, MS published)

Bloodforge (3rd party exclusive by Climax, Sudeki developer, MS published)

Clas3 MMO (3rd party exclusive, MS published)

FEZ

Hybid (3rd party exclusive by 5th Cell, MS published)

Minecraft

Skyrim Expansions 30 day exclusive on 360

I didn't say either had much in common. Both allow for those in power to rule over the masses without much accountability (in some cases).

The Witcher 2 is not published/developed by Microsoft.

Ghost Recon is not developed/published by Microsoft.

Skyrim expansions are not developed/published by Microsoft.

As for the rest, thanks for the list.

Well, i live in democracy and the masses have about zero control over the goverment, onlhy in elections time, where they have to vote between two similar parties that have 1% difference and both blackmail their election with favours

Generally, the masses are rarely allowed to control things, that is a given

Never said W2 is published/developed by Microsoft, that is why it is not written beside it or bolded

Same for GR and Skyrim DLC, i just mentioned the whole list, noting which are published and leaving the others blank

loosingENDS is butthurt that Microsoft is focusing on the casual gamers, that is why he make this thread to try to forget. LOL

loosingENDS is butthurt that Microsoft is focusing on the casual gamers, that is why he make this thread to try to forget. LOL

MK-Professor

Sure, they are focusing on casuals by having zero casual games for 2012

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

loosingENDS is butthurt that Microsoft is focusing on the casual gamers, that is why he make this thread to try to forget. LOL

loosingENDS

Sure, they are focusing on casuals by having zero casual games for 2012

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Well, i live in democracy and the masses have about zero control over the goverment, onlhy in elections time, where they have to vote between two similar parties that have 1% difference and both blackmail their election with favours

Generally, the masses are rarely allowed to control things, that is a given

Never said W2 is published/developed by Microsoft, that is why it is not written beside it or bolded

Same for GR and Skyrim DLC, i just mentioned the whole list, noting which are published and leaving the others blank

loosingENDS

I won't get into a political debate (though I attend university for Political Science). The people can call for early elections as an example (as can opposing parties in parliamentary systems). Let's not resort to assumptions.

Depends on the term "rarely".

If not, then why include The Witcher 2? I asked for games developed/published by Microsoft. If I wanted those, I would have taken the initial list.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Well, i live in democracy and the masses have about zero control over the goverment, onlhy in elections time, where they have to vote between two similar parties that have 1% difference and both blackmail their election with favours

Generally, the masses are rarely allowed to control things, that is a given

Never said W2 is published/developed by Microsoft, that is why it is not written beside it or bolded

Same for GR and Skyrim DLC, i just mentioned the whole list, noting which are published and leaving the others blank

lundy86_4

I won't get into a political debate (though I attend university for Political Science). The people can call for early elections as an example (as can opposing parties in parliamentary systems). Let's not resort to assumptions.

Depends on the term "rarely".

If not, then why include The Witcher 2? I asked for games developed/published by Microsoft. If I wanted those, I would have taken the initial list.

Well, this is a gaming forum, so i agree :)

I just copied the list and mentioned which were exlusives, there is nothing more to it, maybe i should have removed them, but games like Withcer 2 need some extra explaination, because are PC/360 only, so in a sense they are exlusive to PC/360 group (by the exlusive definition to a group)

That does not make them 360 exlusives of course, but they are not the usual PS3/360/PC multipltforms either

The problem with MS is that they have completly abandoned the casual gamer

All their 2012 games like Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3, Ryse, Fable JOurney, Alan Wake 2, Haunt, Star Wars, Dust, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, Ghost Recon, Halo 4, Battleblock Theater, Bloodforge, Clas3 MMO, FEZ, Hybid, Minecraft, Skyrim exlusive expansions etc are only for core gamers

It is sad, but they have totally abandoned the casual gamers for 2012, not a single casual game planned is very dissapointing imo, they should try more

What do you think, will MS ever come back to supporing the casual market at all ?

loosingENDS

I just copied the list and mentioned which were exlusives, there is nothing more to it, maybe i should have removed them, but games like Withcer 2 need some extra explaination, because are PC/360 only, so in a sense they are exlusive to PC/360 group (by the exlusive definition to a group)

That does not make them 360 exlusives of course, but they are not the usual PS3/360/PC multipltforms either

loosingENDS

That is certainly fair enough.

No console maker is ever going to "abandon" the casual gamer, unless they're completely inept.

Abandoned? They're just getting started to appeal to more of them.

No console maker is ever going to "abandon" the casual gamer, unless they're completely inept.

hakanakumono

Yep. The industry constantly needs new gamers. New gamers aren't gonna go for the super hardcore games :P

all signs point to MS catering even more to the casual gamer in 2012.

Plus unlike PS3, it supports Mass Effect 1 savesloosingENDS

The problem with MS is that they have completly abandoned the casual gamer

All their 2012 games like Witcher 2, Mass Effect 3, Ryse, Fable JOurney, Alan Wake 2, Haunt, Star Wars, Dust, Project Draco, Steel Batallion, Ghost Recon, Halo 4, Battleblock Theater, Bloodforge, Clas3 MMO, FEZ, Hybid, Minecraft, Skyrim exlusive expansions etc are only for core gamers

It is sad, but they have totally abandoned the casual gamers for 2012, not a single casual game planned is very dissapointing imo, they should try more

What do you think, will MS ever come back to supporing the casual market at all ?

loosingENDS

damn sure looks like they didnt halo 4 and alan wake 1.5 being only real decent exclusives.