Microsoft execs are so unbelievably arrogant

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#1 Firelore29
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Look at some of these excets from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

 

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Look at some of these excerts from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

 

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Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.
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Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.Lazy_Boy88

No.

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Well, a lot of people said Xbox would flop coming off the disaster that was Xbox 1

 

It went kinda like this

Xbox: 32 Million Sold

PS2: 130 + Million Sold (+ cuz its still selling like candy)

 

So in light of that many people at MS have a right to be a LITTLE proud and talk their smack. They are controlling the market lead right now....but the Wii is dominating it. MS will regret that year two BIG time (their vocal support)

 

EDIT: Sony IS dominating the market...They have a Portable and two consoles meaning they are bring in money from all 3.

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What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.
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Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.Lazy_Boy88

Well then the 360 without the HD graphics is also a horribly overpriced console. It's easy to insult a console when you can pluck features out of the console at will. 

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Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.Lazy_Boy88

Well then the 360/PS3 without the HD graphics are also a horribly overpriced consoles. It's easy to insult a console when you can pluck features out of the console at will.

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What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.swaginator

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well 

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[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.iunderstand

Well then the 360/PS3 without the HD graphics are also a horribly overpriced consoles. It's easy to insult a console when you can pluck features out of the console at will.

 

The components that make those HD graphics are what costs the most. Without them, the consoles wouldn't cost as much, and therefore wouldn't be overpriced...

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For arrogance, try "Next gen doesn't start until we say so."  Or, "PS3 will inspire discipline."  Or, "People would buy a PS3 even if we didn't release any games.  Or, "People will want to work extra hours to buy one."

Pick your poison. 

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[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.Sicknic

Well then the 360/PS3 without the HD graphics are also a horribly overpriced consoles. It's easy to insult a console when you can pluck features out of the console at will.

 

The components that make those HD graphics are what costs the most. Without them, the consoles wouldn't cost as much, and therefore wouldn't be overpriced...

 

Without the R & D and hardware into the Wii motion sensing the Wii wouldn't cost as much either 

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[QUOTE="iunderstand"]

[QUOTE="Lazy_Boy88"]Well he is prettymuch right..... the Wii without the Wiimote is a horribly overpriced awful console. They discredit PS3 a little too early in the game too. 360 is really stalling now and barely outselling PS3 when it has a huge advantage in games....... yet PS3 will be at least equal to 360 across the board by the end of this holiday season.Sicknic

Well then the 360/PS3 without the HD graphics are also a horribly overpriced consoles. It's easy to insult a console when you can pluck features out of the console at will.

 

The components that make those HD graphics are what costs the most. Without them, the consoles wouldn't cost as much, and therefore wouldn't be overpriced...

Games cost $60 dollars, the DVD that they are put on cost next to nothing. You are paying for more than just the cost on the components in the machine. The Wii offers something that no other machine offers, and that justifies its cost.

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[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even) 

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[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

blu ray, hdmi, harddrive i don't think so(ps3 is unpriced). even the horrible 360 is underpriced. gears look better than anything on PC right now, and it would cost a fortune to play it high end on a PC.

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[QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.MikeE21286

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even) 

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's 

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[QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.PowerCharged

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

blu ray, hdmi, harddrive i don't think so(ps3 is unpriced). even the horrible 360 is underpriced. gears look better than anything on PC right now, and it would cost a fortune to play it high end on a PC.

Hard drives are amazingly cheap, Blu-ray is irrelevant to most people, and without their graphics cards the games would look like garbage
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however.......... 

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[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.MikeE21286

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however.......... 

 

But part of a price being worthwhile is its value to the consumer, Blu-ray has little for most consumers 

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EDIT: Sony IS dominating the market...They have a Portable and two consoles meaning they are bring in money from all 3.

iunderstand

Well, actually in this case, Nintendo is dominating the market with 3 consoles: 1 "fixed" and 2 portables.... if it's number what you look for, go check how many units the GBA has sold (and is still selling)

cheers!

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[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.MikeE21286

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

 

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however..........

 

But part of a price being worthwhile is its value to the consumer, Blu-ray has little for most consumers

Most but not all, just face it.....PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player no matter how you spin it.....

Blu-Ray players sell for about $700-$1000 and PS3 is $600.............hence it would be a $600 Blu-Ray player.  Cheaper than any of the others.  It still would have value.

 

 

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche 

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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

 

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however..........

 

But part of a price being worthwhile is its value to the consumer, Blu-ray has little for most consumers

Most but not all, just face it.....PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player no matter how you spin it.....

Blu-Ray players sell for about $700-$1000 and PS3 is $600.............hence it would be a $600 Blu-Ray player. Cheaper than any of the others. It still would have value.

 

 

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche

The size of the market has no bearing here,  it's a market nonetheless 

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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

 

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however..........

 

But part of a price being worthwhile is its value to the consumer, Blu-ray has little for most consumers

Most but not all, just face it.....PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player no matter how you spin it.....

Blu-Ray players sell for about $700-$1000 and PS3 is $600.............hence it would be a $600 Blu-Ray player. Cheaper than any of the others. It still would have value.

 

 

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche

The size of the market has no bearing here, it's a market nonetheless.... therefore it would have value.

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[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.MikeE21286

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

Actually the PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player.............not that overpriced (hell underpriced even)

 

Most people don't have HDTV's or don't care about HD quality DVD's

 

Well that doesn't take away from the fact that it would still be a Blu-Ray player however..........

 

But part of a price being worthwhile is its value to the consumer, Blu-ray has little for most consumers

Most but not all, just face it.....PS3 would still be a Blu-Ray player no matter how you spin it.....

Blu-Ray players sell for about $700-$1000 and PS3 is $600.............hence it would be a $600 Blu-Ray player. Cheaper than any of the others. It still would have value.

 

 

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche

The size of the market has no bearing here, it's a market nonetheless.... therefore it would have value.

No, value is based on demand. Not your impression of what's valuable.

There is not a high demand for HD format players, hence there is not high value for them.

Maybe there will be in the future (I personally don't believe so) but there isn't now. 

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Whatever, I'm done wasting my time arguing to you guys...............seriously it's taxing and I don't care that much to prove a very obvious point to people who want to look the other way.  It's insane in here sometimes I tell you.

 

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[QUOTE="axt113"]

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche

MikeE21286

The size of the market has no bearing here, it's a market nonetheless.... therefore it would have value.

This argument has turned into a confusing game of symantics. The fact is, these consoles come with these features standard and you cannot just take them out at will to prove a point.

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#27 Danm_999
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[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="axt113"]

Ony for those in the market for a blu-ray player, which we've seen is still very niche

iunderstand

The size of the market has no bearing here, it's a market nonetheless.... therefore it would have value.

This argument has turned into a confusing game of symantics. The fact is, these consoles come with these features standard and you cannot just take them out at will to prove a point.

Nobodies taking them out, people are just saying the demand for them is very low (due to the fact that they aren't very accessible), so they detract from the value of the PS3, they don't add to it.

They might in the future though. 

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yeah didnt on MS exec say they were gonna sell a billion consoles ? and they said ipod would be a failure, balmer is saying iphone is gonna flop i saw in an interview like yesterday, man they never shut up.
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[QUOTE="pundog"]If you think that's arrogant I don't want to know what you think of the Sony and Nintendo execs. Ultimas_Blade
Not so much Nintendo's execs, but Sony execs are a terrible.

I dunno, that Reggie guy pisses me off.
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Sony Execs are just as bad.  They think that all our base are belong to them.  Aqualung my friend, don't you start away uneasy, you poor old sod, can't you see it's only me.
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I agree, MS Execs are real arrogant.  Although I hope that the 360 is a success, I hope it doesnt become the number 1 console this gen.  MS monopolizing the gaming industry = milking the customers.  I want their console to do well, however, so that we as gamers can get unique exclusvies with every console.  A console with nothing but ports suck.
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[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well



:roll:  If the systems didn't have their graphics cards they would be unable to render images (the system wouldn't play games).  Do you even think before you post?
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Sony Execs are just as bad. They think that all our base are belong to them. Aqualung my friend, don't you start away uneasy, you poor old sod, can't you see it's only me.joe_g_patton


They really have shut their mouths lately...  MS execs are the new Sony execs.
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Look at some of these excerts from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

 

Firelore29

Well it is true without the Wiimote the Wii wouldnt have much appeal, not because the Wiimote is a gimmick and everyone is getting it cause its popular but because its something new that we havnt experienced thats fun.  He is right that the Wii is lacking in many features that most consoles have but it has the main feature it needs and thats gaming, though the online could be a bit better.  

As for the PS3 comments I think is right in the sense of cost and content but the online seems likes its doing better, the content will begin to build up over the year and be worth getting but the cost is still pretty high. 

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[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="pundog"]If you think that's arrogant I don't want to know what you think of the Sony and Nintendo execs. pundog
Not so much Nintendo's execs, but Sony execs are a terrible.

I dunno, that Reggie guy pisses me off.

Pisses you off? Man, he's one of the best thing to happen to Nintendo.
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[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="pundog"]If you think that's arrogant I don't want to know what you think of the Sony and Nintendo execs. pundog
Not so much Nintendo's execs, but Sony execs are a terrible.

I dunno, that Reggie guy pisses me off.

He's just acting tough to bolster Nintendo from their kiddy image.

On the other hand, Sony is just chock-a-block full of PR and marketing stupidity.

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[QUOTE="joe_g_patton"]Sony Execs are just as bad. They think that all our base are belong to them. Aqualung my friend, don't you start away uneasy, you poor old sod, can't you see it's only me.SergeantSnitch


They really have shut their mouths lately...  MS execs are the new Sony execs.

Thats because after Kutagari "retired" I think everyone there has started to think before they speak. MS execs (except for that a** ballmer) aren't arrogant or anything like the Sony execs, the worst I've heard from them is about the PS3's difficulties which I think most people would agree are pretty accurate observations. They aren't going around saying people are going to work extra hours to buy a 360 or that people who already bought the 360 will buy an elite to get a true HD experience.
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Look at some of these excerts from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

 

Firelore29

Why do they all seem to ignore that the 360 has abruptly stopped selling, according to all charts, sources, and estimates? The Wii is completely kicking their collective ass. Eventually it will be Wii for the casuals, PS3 for the hardcores, and 360 will have the same niche market of armchair soldiers they've always had who wish they had gotten to go to Nam cuz they would totally have won that ****, dude.  

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"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up." All execs are going to be arrogant and run their mouths. It just PR. That comment right there made me giggle though.
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He's basically saying that the PS3 and 360 have the same aims and therefore people are less likely to own both, which puts them in direct competition with each other. The Wii, however, has a different aim in mind and this makes it more compatible with the 360, meaning they can happily coexist. He only sees the PS3 as competition not because he thinks the Wii is rubbish, but because the PS3 is targeting the same demographic as the 360 while the Wii isn't.

And of course he's going to dismiss the PS3's chances of outdoing the 360, he works for MS. Would you expect a Sony rep to praise the 360 and predict it to win?

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[QUOTE="Firelore29"]

Look at some of these excerts from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

 

XL83

Why do they all seem to ignore that the 360 has abruptly stopped selling, according to all charts, sources, and estimates? The Wii is completely kicking their collective ass. Eventually it will be Wii for the casuals, PS3 for the hardcores, and 360 will have the same niche market of armchair soldiers they've always had who wish they had gotten to go to Nam cuz they would totally have won that ****, dude.

1) Because it's quarter 1?

2) Because unlike the Wii, they've been out for over a year (and through 2 Xmas') so are obviously subject to lower demand?

3) Because none of their big hitters are out this quarter?

4) Because those are charts, sources and estimates?

But I can't stay made at you, your Nam joke made me lol. 

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For arrogance, try "Next gen doesn't start until we say so." Or, "PS3 will inspire discipline." Or, "People would buy a PS3 even if we didn't release any games. Or, "People will want to work extra hours to buy one."

Pick your poison.

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I worked extra hours to buy mine :shock: Im only 16 lol. And yes, people are buying PS3 without any good games, just slowly. :P 

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[QUOTE="PowerCharged"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well

blu ray, hdmi, harddrive i don't think so(ps3 is unpriced). even the horrible 360 is underpriced. gears look better than anything on PC right now, and it would cost a fortune to play it high end on a PC.

Hard drives are amazingly cheap, Blu-ray is irrelevant to most people, and without their graphics cards the games would look like garbage

 So then Wii's games look like garbage I suppose seeing as it's graphics card might as well be non existant. 

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[QUOTE="swaginator"]What he speaks of is the truth. If the Wii didn't have the controller it wouldn't be doing so well. It's horibbly overpriced for what you actually get with the system.axt113

If PS3 and 360 didn't have their graphics cards they'd be horribly overpriced for what you get as well




but x360 ps3 sell their consoles at loss anyway.
well not x360 any more
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Why is that arrogant?  He speaks the truth.  It's not like they said 'we will teach the conumer discipline' like crazy Kutaragi... now that was arrogant.
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What part of that offended you?
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Not arragont but, that guy is an a-hole... and if u took the wiimote away from the wii it wouldnt be the wii so takin away the main feature of something can be applied to anything the power of the 360 or the cell/blue-ray of the PS3....
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Look at some of these excerts from a recent interview with the President of Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices Division, Robbie Bach:

Asked if Nintendo was causing disruption for Microsoft, Bach said that while the product has "gotten more broad-base acclaim" than he would've expected, it has only one specific appeal - the controller - "And the rest of the product is actually not a great product-no disrespect, but ... the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting."

Asked whether he feels Nintendo is a fiercer competitor than Sony, Bach continued, "I think Nintendo and Microsoft are clearly in the driver's seat on what's happening in this generation. And they're different driver's seats. In a way, ... our circle and Sony's circle overlap I would say 90 percent. Nintendo's circle and Microsoft's overlap say 20, 25, 30 percent, something like that. We had people laughing and call it the Wii 360 because you already see a lot of dual-household ownership.

"But Sony I think has some real challenges," he said. "They've got a pricing problem, they have a cost problem, they have a content problem, and they don't have an online service. But I'm just talking about the psychology of me doing an interview with you as a reporter coming in and not uttering the word Sony without me bringing it up."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2125544,00.asp?kc=EWRSS03119TX1K0000594

Firelore29

How is anything he said "arrogant"?  This doesn't even hold a candle to comments like "next-gen starts when we say it does".

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#49 samven582
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Well, a lot of people said Xbox would flop coming off the disaster that was Xbox 1

 

It went kinda like this

Xbox: 32 Million Sold

PS2: 130 + Million Sold (+ cuz its still selling like candy)

 

So in light of that many people at MS have a right to be a LITTLE proud and talk their smack. They are controlling the market lead right now....but the Wii is dominating it. MS will regret that year two BIG time (their vocal support)

 

EDIT: Sony IS dominating the market...They have a Portable and two consoles meaning they are bring in money from all 3.

NextGenNow

32 million? more like 22 million sold world wide