Microsoft holding devs back from pushing 360??

Hey guys, just sharing info as always. Apparently, MS doesnt allow devs to take full control of the CPU, and GPU in the console, and instead only allowed it to be used in certain ways. I guess this is why games dont seem to push boundaries on the platform. While this has changed now, (X-Engine) do you think this is the reason games dont really stand out on 360?? Discuss

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Suspicions were first aroused by a tweet by EA Vancouver's Jim Hejl who revealed that addressing the Xenos GPU on 360 involves using the DirectX APIs, which in turn incurs a cost on CPU resources. Hejl later wrote in a further message that he'd written his own API for manual control of the GPU ring, incurring little or no hit to the main CPU.

"Cert(ification) would hate it tho," he added mysteriously.

According to other dev sources, what that actually means in real terms is that circumventing the use of the standard APIs would result in a submitted game not ever making it past Microsoft's strict certification guidelines which state that all GPU calls need to be routed through DirectX. Compare and contrast with PS3 development, where writing your own command buffers and addressing the RSX chip directly through its LibGCM interface is pretty much the standard way of talking to the hardware."

Stinky Linky

Have any of them tried re-routing the flux capacitor to the guineapigatron? That should do the trick :P

Anyway, there's already another article about this...

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

ItsBriskBaby

He said the same thing when he first made Geow1.

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

ItsBriskBaby

All devs say that to make people think the game is better than it is.

If they can find a way to make better looking games I'm all for it!...

As long as overheating issues like RROD don't become a bigger issue as a result.

Yes, because Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, Gears of War 2, etc. would had looked better using their own engines, not updated ones. I really want to see better looking 360 games than Gears of War 2 though.

it's because most games on the 360 were used with UE3 as middleware, a multi-platform engine that wasn't spefically designed to take adavantage of the 360. There is a reason why ME2, Alan Wake, Forza 3 all look better then Gears 2. I am REALLY excited for Halo: Reach, I wanna see if they are going to do what they say they are going to do.

is it possible the reason they dont push the system is due to the overheating problem ?

we are talking about one of the worse built systems ms cut so many corners to push out the 360 asap

so maybe pushing the graphics will cause even more RROD that they already get

Yes, because Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, Gears of War 2, etc. would had looked better using their own engines, not updated ones. I really want to see better looking 360 games than Gears of War 2 though.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Yes, because Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, Gears of War 2, etc. would had looked better using their own engines, not updated ones. I really want to see better looking 360 games than Gears of War 2 though.

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

Yes, because Perfect Dark Zero, Halo 3, Gears of War 2, etc. would had looked better using their own engines, not updated ones. I really want to see better looking 360 games than Gears of War 2 though.

mitu123

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] looks like alan wake will be the best looking 360 game when it releases.fedor19820

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] looks like alan wake will be the best looking 360 game when it releases.fedor19820

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

The article basically said that this was a GODD thing;

"It's worth noting that there is a ton of excellent reasons for standing by this requirement. It means that the platform holder can update the system software and hardware specification and ensure that all games past, present and future will work on all iterations of the console.

More than that, in the here and now, it can easily be argued that the implementation of DirectX is a key reason that the Xbox 360's tools and development environment are considered to be generally excellent. Not only that, but game makers are familiar with the standard, and code is easily portable to and from PC. A firm adherence to DirectX is also good news for gamers too: it makes the chances of full backwards compatibility on Xbox Next a far more realistic prospect..."

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"] looks like alan wake will be the best looking 360 game when it releases.fedor19820

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

EPIC irony. :P

1. The 360 intinally had the best looking games

2. Graphics king is on-going, MS have had plenty.

3. Both KZ2 ans espeically GT5 have both had 4 years + Devleopment cycles.

I wouldnt doubt if it was to stop the devs from making system intensive games that would cause the 360 to overheat and rrod.

[QUOTE="fedor19820"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] That's pretty sad though.brothirhudsteel

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

[QUOTE="fedor19820"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] That's pretty sad though.BoloTheGreat

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

EPIC irony. :P

1. The 360 intinally had the best looking games

2. Graphics king is on-going, MS have had plenty.

3. Both KZ2 ans espeically GT5 have both had 4 years + Devleopment cycles.

lol i was just trying to mess with u guys i know killzone 2 was in dev before the ps3 even came out

and graphics kings will change numours times as we devs get better at making games for both systems

gears of war 2 graphics are overatedimo resident evil (xbox360 version) looks better than gears of war 2

[QUOTE="brothirhudsteel"][QUOTE="fedor19820"]

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

chicagodon

I wouldnt doubt if it was to stop the devs from making system intensive games that would cause the 360 to overheat and rrod.

Sully28

So this means the Xbox 360 has hidden powers just like the Cell? :o

That's pretty sad though.mitu123

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

SpinoRaptor24

He said the same thing when he first made Geow1.

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"]

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

therealnerdd

He said the same thing when he first made Geow1.

"'We pushed the 360 to the limits,' Gears of War QA manager Preston Thorne told Siliconera"

Joystiq

Remember folks. A closed mouth gathers no foot...

So this means the Xbox 360 has hidden powers just like the Cell? :o

The_Game21x

[QUOTE="therealnerdd"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

He said the same thing when he first made Geow1.

"'We pushed the 360 to the limits,' Gears of War QA manager Preston Thorne told Siliconera"

Joystiq

Remember folks. A closed mouth gathers no foot...

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

ItsBriskBaby

If they can find a way to make better looking games I'm all for it!...

As long as overheating issues like RROD don't become a bigger issue as a result.

SolidTy

[QUOTE="fedor19820"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] That's pretty sad though.BoloTheGreat

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

EPIC irony. :P

1. The 360 intinally had the best looking games

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2. Graphics king is on-going, MS have had plenty.

3. Both KZ2 ans espeically GT5 have both had 4 years + Devleopment cycles.

That must be some great stuff your smoking!!! PS3 Develop kits did not come out untill not to long before the console was launched GOOGLE IT!!! The fact that Xbox Development kit was out since when??? http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/809/xbox-360-developent-kit-spotted/ it was first realsed in April of 2005 and continued to get updates till the final was realsed by september 4th. http:news.teamxbox.com/xbox/9158/xbox-360-final-xbox-360-xenon-development-kits-arrive/

Compare this to when PS3 kits were ready and final dev were ready. NOT TO MENTION that PS3 is more difficult than Xbox both in FORM and Software.!!!

Xbox 360 sligh better resolution will have come and will go later as PS3 programing continues to improve by leaps and bounds. Xbox 360 increase is slow and gradual. There is just not much there, in came in strong but is slowing down while PS3 came in weak but has been gaining since it launched and with every generation of games.

I thought the 360 was pushed to the limits acornding to cliffy b. when he made gow2.

ItsBriskBaby

That's pretty sad though.mitu123

lol so it took MS 5 years + to release a graphics king lol

while sony has uncharted 1, MGS & and killzone 2 all within the last 2 years and we are still waiting on uncharted 2 & god of war 3

lol sony: "we are constantly creating graphic kings and strive to make it even better". microsoft: "it is against our policy to create good graphics". lol what a joke microsoft, what a joke, just admit your hardware cant, just freakin admit it.Killzowner

[QUOTE="Killzowner"]lol sony: "we are constantly creating graphic kings and strive to make it even better". microsoft: "it is against our policy to create good graphics". lol what a joke microsoft, what a joke, just admit your hardware cant, just freakin admit it.GreyFoXX4