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Microsoft is the best
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?wtf is microsoft?johneese"Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) (SEHK: 4338), is an Americanmultinationalcomputer technology corporation." - Wikipedia
If you were just trolling then "wtf is a microsoft" would have been appropriate.
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robbie_basic
:lol: Have you got any proof? other than being a MS Lover? :roll:
[QUOTE="johneese"]?wtf is microsoft?robbie_basic"Microsoft Corporation (NASDAQ:MSFT) (SEHK: 4338), is an Americanmultinationalcomputer technology corporation." - Wikipedia
If you were just trolling then "wtf is a microsoft" would have been appropriate.
Im not trolling.
I was just being as stupid as this thread.
the best at sucking? ... why yes, ye're quite right young lad.
Apple is ten times better thread over.wooooodeTo understand why you would say that you must look at the situation. Currently Apple is a fashionable trend with little reason for liking them besides they aren't totally aweful that it is bad for you to like them.
If the roles were reverse and Apple was the huge market leader and Microsoft was the underdog people would feel differently. Many people fail to step back and look at the two companies overall. Microsoft is successful because they work with other companies, they are very collaborative. Apple on the other hand wants to do everything themselves in an arrogant manner. (Make their own hardware and software only). If Apple were to be on a much larger scale then our world would be aweful. If you think Microsoft is monopolistic imagine Apple as the market leader. That would be horrendous, which is why Apple is not the market leader.
Think of Microsoft as a huge R&D entity that collects our dollars and uses them to develop good, useful technology. Obviously there will be some misshaps but for the most part they have given much more to our society than they have hurt. They have no real option than to be monopolistic. Imagine if there were like 5 different main operating systems, the incompatibility would be horrible.
Microsoft is not the best at anything it does including but not limited to, OS, Office Productivity, Database, Personal Media Player, Videogames, Videogame hardware.
dlp21
They are the best at being a successful mega corporation which they are. Of course they will not be the best at everyone of those niche markets when smaller more innovative companies are more agile. But what Microsoft has the power to do is build up large amount of capital to invest in R&D that can benefit society as a whole. Also being in many market sectors allows them to integrate all their products in a seamless manner (something they need to work on more but are getting better at).
The point is you may not like Microsoft but they exist for a reason and without them life would be much worse. If you can realize that you will start to see why they are very good to have around and you will probably be a happier person.
Many of the other replies kinda show my point that many people simply hate Microsoft for their position with no real thought put into it. Simply listen to Bill Gates talk sometime, he is unreal. He actually feels he should be taxed more, eh? How is that for a modest person.
Microsoft sucks in Hardware! look at the xbox 360!navneet21Microsoft is actually quite good at making hardware. This can be a industry joke about them because they are mostly a software producer. Admittantly they messed up with the 360. They rushed it to get the jump on the competition, which was a smart business decision, but it caused they to misscalculate on the hardware and it had the infamous hardware failure heat issue.
The thing is Microsoft has admitted to this (as much as a company will) and took a huge hit on the warranty they issued. All new systems have since had the issue fixed as far as I know. So even though they did make a misstake, it was for an understandable reason and they did quite a lot to make up for it. Besides that their hardware is very superb (mouses and keyboards etc).
The only think microsoft is the best at is exploiting gamers to make omeny. addons. DLC. failure rates. proprietary HDD.
windows. office.
come on. microsoft is a fairly evil corporation.
To understand why you would say that you must look at the situation. Currently Apple is a fashionable trend with little reason for liking them besides they aren't totally aweful that it is bad for you to like them.[QUOTE="wooooode"]Apple is ten times better thread over.robbie_basic
If the roles were reverse and Apple was the huge market leader and Microsoft was the underdog people would feel differently. Many people fail to step back and look at the two companies overall. Microsoft is successful because they work with other companies, they are very collaborative. Apple on the other hand wants to do everything themselves in an arrogant manner. (Make their own hardware and software only). If Apple were to be on a much larger scale then our world would be aweful. If you think Microsoft is monopolistic imagine Apple as the market leader. That would be horrendous, which is why Apple is not the market leader.
Think of Microsoft as a huge R&D entity that collects our dollars and uses them to develop good, useful technology. Obviously there will be some misshaps but for the most part they have given much more to our society than they have hurt. They have no real option than to be monopolistic. Imagine if there were like 5 different main operating systems, the incompatibility would be horrible.
guess you don't know much about microsoft
Nvidia is betterLonelynightAh, but without Microsoft NVIDIA is nothing really. This is what I mean by Microsoft being awesome for the collaboration. Apple only started to collaborate recently because they realized they have to in order to survive. So I'll accept you loving NVIDIA but you must agree that Microsoft is very good for giving them the opportunity to exist.
This is ignoring the whole dreamy land of Linux. I like Linux but that's just too much of a dream so I still stick with Micrsoft.
btw,i rwinning guys lolz
I like Sony a lot more.
guess you don't know much about microsoftnavalPlease show me how they aren't collaborative? You could have chosen many things I said to call me out on, but that one is the weakest argument you have.
Ok, lets see, they started off by making software for other companies' OS. They then made their own OS to run on other companies' hardware. They support developers intesively to develop on their platforms. They get media companies to sell their content through their platforms. Steve Jobs even said he admires Microsoft for how collaborative they are. Honestly, the two points you cannot deny is Microsoft is very collaborative and they have very nice R&D.
You could call them out on their business strategy of reach out, embrace, consume. Or their bundling of software if you are EU :P. Or their stability in the past but collaboration? No way.
Apple is ten times better thread over.wooooode
Then I'm sure you're eternally grateful that MS saved Apple by purchasing shares. :)
[QUOTE="wooooode"]Apple is ten times better thread over.Vyse_The_Daring
Then I'm sure you're eternally grateful that MS saved Apple by purchasing shares. :)
Did you also know Microsoft is the largest maker of software for Apple systems besides Apple themselves? ;)uuhh no
the future is Playstation
teh cell ownz all! not the atom!
http://www.dailytech.com/Storing+Data+in+a+Photon/article5792.htm
http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2004/060204/Atom-photon_link_demoed_060204.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/01/070119094254.htm
Researchers at the University of Rochester have made an optics breakthrough that allows them to encode an entire image's worth of data into a photon, slow the image down for storage, and then retrieve the image intact.
While the initial test image consists of only a few hundred pixels, a tremendous amount of information can be stored with the new technique.
The image, a "UR" for the University of Rochester, was made using a single pulse of light and the team can fit as many as a hundred of these pulses at once into a tiny, four-inch cell. Squeezing that much information into so small a space and retrieving it intact opens the door to optical buffering-storing information as light.
"It sort of sounds impossible, but instead of storing just ones and zeros, we're storing an entire image," says John Howell, associate professor of physics and leader of the team that created the device, which is revealed in today's online issue of the journal Physical Review Letters. "It's analogous to the difference between snapping a picture with a single pixel and doing it with a camera-this is like a 6-megapixel camera."
"You can have a tremendous amount of information in a pulse of light, but normally if you try to buffer it, you can lose much of that information," says Ryan Camacho, Howell's graduate student and lead author on the article. "We're showing it's possible to pull out an enormous amount of information with an extremely high signal-to-noise ratio even with very low light levels."
Optical buffering is a particularly hot field right now because engineers are trying to speed up computer processing and network speeds using light, but their systems bog down when they have to convert light signals to electronic signals to store information, even for a short while.
Howell's group used a completely new approach that preserves all the properties of the pulse. The buffered pulse is essentially a perfect original; there is almost no distortion, no additional diffraction, and the phase and amplitude of the original signal are all preserved. Howell is even working to demonstrate that quantum entanglement remains unscathed.
To produce the UR image, Howell simply shone a beam of light through a stencil with the U and R etched out. Anyone who has made shadow puppets knows how this works, but Howell turned down the light so much that a single photon was all that passed through the stencil.
Quantum mechanics dictates some strange things at that scale, so that bit of light could be thought of as both a particle and a wave. As a wave, it passed through all parts of the stencil at once, carrying the "shadow" of the UR with it. The pulse of light then entered a four-inch cell of cesium gas at a warm 100 degrees Celsius, where it was slowed and compressed, allowing many pulses to fit inside the small tube at the same time.
"The parallel amount of information John has sent all at once in an image is enormous in comparison to what anyone else has done before," says Alan Willner, professor of electrical engineering at the University of Southern California and president of the IEEE Lasers and Optical Society. "To do that and be able to maintain the integrity of the signal-it's a wonderful achievement."
Howell has so far been able to delay light pulses 100 nanoseconds and compress them to 1 percent of their original length. He is now working toward delaying dozens of pulses for as long as several milliseconds, and as many as 10,000 pulses for up to a nanosecond.
"Now I want to see if we can delay something almost permanently, even at the single photon level," says Howell. "If we can do that, we're looking at storing incredible amounts of information in just a few photons
[QUOTE="naval"]guess you don't know much about microsoftrobbie_basicPlease show me how they aren't collaborative? You could have chosen many things I said to call me out on, but that one is the weakest argument you have.
Ok, lets see, they started off by making software for other companies' OS. They then made their own OS to run on other companies' hardware. They support developers intesively to develop on their platforms. They get media companies to sell their content through their platforms. Steve Jobs even said he admires Microsoft for how collaborative they are. Honestly, the two points you cannot deny is Microsoft is very collaborative and they have very nice R&D.
You could call them out on their business strategy of reach out, embrace, consume. Or their bundling of software if you are EU :P. Or their stability in the past but collaboration? No way.
as i said you don't know much about microsoft. read it up about their business practices before prasing them blindly
You're are a living Ms advertisement, stop praising Ms, this board was meant to discuss the pros and cons of each console.AgentA-Mi6Considering MS makes the Xbox 360 it seems fairly appropriate. Lets see pros and cons? 360 has goodgames PS3 does not. 'nuff said.
That's why I did mention their reach out, embrace, consume strategy. It is debatible whether that is unethical or not but regardless they allow a lot more other companies to work with them than most other companies. If you feel they are evil because they don't "let" anyone else have a big OS then just think about that. The market decides the OS and the market choses Windows because the majority of business applications are developed for it. Why are they developed for it? Because Microsoft is very nice to other developers and are collaborative.as i said you don't know much about microsoft. read it up about their business practices before prasing them blindly
naval
The fact that they buy out a lot of their competition is purely business and doesn't make them an evil company. It makes them successfull and able to develop new technologies that you and I can use.
Microsoft is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry, period.BioShockOwnz
Joke? :?
I do believe Nintendo has done more for the gaming industry than Microsoft, Sony, Sega or even Atari could ever hope to accomplish.
Besides introducing arguably the best unified online system... I can't think of much more good they've done for the industry off the top of my head... They made an OS that a lot of devs developed for? :? They've introduces microtransactions to consoles and... paying for online. Eck.
You're are a living Ms advertisement, stop praising Ms, this board was meant to discuss the pros and cons of each console.AgentA-Mi6
Wow, so when did you stop being a mega super fanboy?
[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Microsoft is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry, period.Not-A-Stalker
Joke? :?
I do believe Nintendo has done more for the gaming industry than Microsoft, Sony, Sega or even Atari could ever hope to accomplish.
Besides introducing arguably the best unified online system... I can't think of much more good they've done for the industry off the top of my head... They made an OS that a lot of devs developed for? :? They've introduces microtransactions to consoles and... paying for online. Eck.
How do you define "doing a lot for the industry"? it seems your definition would simply be 'being in it'. Innovation is what drives and industry and not just out in the open innovation, behind the scenes innovation. I don't deny Nintendo has done the most, they clearly have or we would all be using joysticks right now. But Microsoft has done a lot of the industry like you even said. The whole online thing is fantastic, the integration with their console and the rest of our electronics is amazing.They think beyond the scope of just the gaming industry and think in terms of the whole digital entertainment industry which I personally like, although I'm sure some of you gamers do not. As for microtransactions you must remember nothing is free. Do you really think we would get free downloadable first party content ever? That is a pretty silly idea, patches are still free and sometime content even is. The next step is user generated content which I would expect to be free. But expecting first party content to be free is the mind of the generation that grew up downloading music and movies. I'm sorry the real world doesn't work like that.
My response:
Hahahaha, so far you have the best argument yet. I actually agree with your argument and even mentioned Microsoft having bad stability in the past. That is the key though, it was in the past. Windows XP rarely gets bsod and I have yet to have one on Windows Vista yet.My response:
ThePlothole
You also must remember you are using a program on your computer for many hours a day and it has many other programs that windows did not expect to run on it all talking to each other. The opportunity for an error is obvious. Errors happen everywhere they are just more noticable on computer because they are very disruptive and usually cause you to lose data. Regardless, the issue has been mostly fixed for a while now but the legend still lives on and causes the bias you see in this thread.
No.
I Am The Best!
*stands up with 2 fists in the air*
>.>No.
I Am The Best!
*stands up with 2 fists in the air*
Pangster007
You don't look like Microsoft to me!
[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Microsoft is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry, period.robbie_basic
Joke? :?
I do believe Nintendo has done more for the gaming industry than Microsoft, Sony, Sega or even Atari could ever hope to accomplish.
Besides introducing arguably the best unified online system... I can't think of much more good they've done for the industry off the top of my head... They made an OS that a lot of devs developed for? :? They've introduces microtransactions to consoles and... paying for online. Eck.
How do you define "doing a lot for the industry"? it seems your definition would simply be 'being in it'. Innovation is what drives and industry and not just out in the open innovation, behind the scenes innovation. I don't deny Nintendo has done the most, they clearly have or we would all be using joysticks right now. But Microsoft has done a lot of the industry like you even said. The whole online thing is fantastic, the integration with their console and the rest of our electronics is amazing.They think beyond the scope of just the gaming industry and think in terms of the whole digital entertainment industry which I personally like, although I'm sure some of you gamers do not. As for microtransactions you must remember nothing is free. Do you really think we would get free downloadable first party content ever? That is a pretty silly idea, patches are still free and sometime content even is. The next step is user generated content which I would expect to be free. But expecting first party content to be free is the mind of the generation that grew up downloading music and movies. I'm sorry the real world doesn't work like that.
I'm not really in the mood for an argument, I'd much rather be playing mass Effect, so I'll say this: Ok.
But about microtransactions. I'm talking about aditional content. Not big stuff like whole expansion packs, I'm talking about little things that you have pay for on XBL that should have come with the game anyways. I'm talking about stuff like those Rock Band song packs that released on the same day the game released, and for like... what was it, $5? Stuff like that should not be happening. If developers want to keep their released games still "alive" I can understand releasing downloadable content at a later date, but I do not think we should have to pay more for it, especially when they release it the same day the game comes out! That's just BS, plain and simple.
[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]Microsoft is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry, period.robbie_basic
Joke? :?
I do believe Nintendo has done more for the gaming industry than Microsoft, Sony, Sega or even Atari could ever hope to accomplish.
Besides introducing arguably the best unified online system... I can't think of much more good they've done for the industry off the top of my head... They made an OS that a lot of devs developed for? :? They've introduces microtransactions to consoles and... paying for online. Eck.
How do you define "doing a lot for the industry"? it seems your definition would simply be 'being in it'. Innovation is what drives and industry and not just out in the open innovation, behind the scenes innovation. I don't deny Nintendo has done the most, they clearly have or we would all be using joysticks right now. But Microsoft has done a lot of the industry like you even said. The whole online thing is fantastic, the integration with their console and the rest of our electronics is amazing.They think beyond the scope of just the gaming industry and think in terms of the whole digital entertainment industry which I personally like, although I'm sure some of you gamers do not. As for microtransactions you must remember nothing is free. Do you really think we would get free downloadable first party content ever? That is a pretty silly idea, patches are still free and sometime content even is. The next step is user generated content which I would expect to be free. But expecting first party content to be free is the mind of the generation that grew up downloading music and movies. I'm sorry the real world doesn't work like that.
I think it would be safe to say that without Nintendo there wouldnt be an Xbox or Playstation and we would probably still be using cartridges...what has microsoft done that is on par with that? in terms of innovation nintendo is the most innovative period exploring new controll concepts and new ways to play games as well as new formats and microsoft does not even come close.
my list of innovation (my opinion)
1: Wii (new controlls etc etc)
2: PS3 (introducing blu ray)
3: Xbox 360 (... insert innovation here ...)
I'm not really in the mood for an argument, I'd much rather be playing mass Effect, so I'll say this: Ok.I agree with you for the most part. But you have to keep some things in mind. We have no idea what goes behind the scenes with song packs. You have to remember they are licencing those songs and selling them. That is not a cheap thing to do and there is most likely nothing they can do. Also the reason they come out the day of is because the game disc can only have a certain amount of songs on it due to the licencing cost. Think of these songs as extra content. They aren't on the disc because they didn't have time to get them on like many people think. It's because of the cost of licencing the songs.But about microtransactions. I'm talking about aditional content. Not big stuff like whole expansion packs, I'm talking about little things that you have pay for on XBL that should have come with the game anyways. I'm talking about stuff like those Rock Band song packs that released on the same day the game released, and for like... what was it, $5? Stuff like that should not be happening. If developers want to keep their released games still "alive" I can understand releasing downloadable content at a later date, but I do not think we should have to pay more for it, especially when they release it the same day the game comes out! That's just BS, plain and simple.
Not-A-Stalker
This is kinda like the situation where a company is going out of business and the CEO says to the union "I'm sorry but you need to take a pay cut, don't worry I have already reduced my salary to one dollar to show I am not being selfish." the union negotiators have to keep in mind that it isn't an argument between their old pay and the lesser one. It's an argument between zero pay and their new one.
This is like the songs and DLC you probably wouldn't of seen these songs if it wasn't for DLC. They wouldn't have been included on this disc. But I agree, I should really get back to my finance assignment. :S
Microsoft is the best thing to happen to the gaming industry, period.BioShockOwnz
If you like returning your hardware to get fixed every couple months. :?
[QUOTE="naval"]That's why I did mention their reach out, embrace, consume strategy. It is debatible whether that is unethical or not but regardless they allow a lot more other companies to work with them than most other companies. If you feel they are evil because they don't "let" anyone else have a big OS then just think about that. The market decides the OS and the market choses Windows because the majority of business applications are developed for it. Why are they developed for it? Because Microsoft is very nice to other developers and are collaborative.as i said you don't know much about microsoft. read it up about their business practices before prasing them blindly
robbie_basic
The fact that they buy out a lot of their competition is purely business and doesn't make them an evil company. It makes them successfull and able to develop new technologies that you and I can use.
they always try to prevent the market from deciding. they always were against thing that could threaten windows. people devolop for windows because they have monopoly. while i agree ms revolutionized the pc industry with windows and have given tremendous benefits, they have never given any fair advatage to their competitors. there is nothing great about them, they are just a business comapany, but greedier, powerfull and unethical than the most
I agree that Nintendo is by far the most innovative in this argument. I also agree Sony did get things by bringing CD's to the scene. Blu ray is not innovative but is actually horrible. It is not nessecary in a console and is holding back society by trying to put an uneeded format. The reason is Blu ray requires manufacturers to use a whole new process to make the discs while HD DVD can use existing DVD factories. This is why Paramount went with HD DVD and is a fact that many of the blu ray/hd dvd arguers fail to think of, but is actually the biggest issue.I think it would be safe to say that without Nintendo there wouldnt be an Xbox or Playstation and we would probably still be using cartridges...what has microsoft done that is on par with that? in terms of innovation nintendo is the most innovative period exploring new controll concepts and new ways to play games as well as new formats and microsoft does not even come close.
my list of innovation (my opinion)
1: Wii (new controlls etc etc)
2: PS3 (introducing blu ray)
3: Xbox 360 (... insert innovation here ...)
big_smoke_666
I'm sure some company could invent some disc that holds 100GB but it's useless unless it's mass marketable. So what I'm saying is the PS and even PS2 are innovative yes, Nintendo for sure. PS3 is when Sony started to go downhill and take advantage of customers (I actually think this is because Stringer was made CEO and he isn't Japanese so the company is dieing from within). But the Xbox 360 is very innovative. It has created Live which is simply amazing concept. The integration with other Microsoft products as well has behind the scenes innovation for developers.
You have to remember Microsoft just came into the gaming industry so obviously they aren't going to take any huge risks right away but in the future you better believe there will be some very innovative things coming down the line.
[QUOTE="Not-A-Stalker"]I'm not really in the mood for an argument, I'd much rather be playing mass Effect, so I'll say this: Ok.I agree with you for the most part. But you have to keep some things in mind. We have no idea what goes behind the scenes with song packs. You have to remember they are licencing those songs and selling them. That is not a cheap thing to do and there is most likely nothing they can do. Also the reason they come out the day of is because the game disc can only have a certain amount of songs on it due to the licencing cost. Think of these songs as extra content. They aren't on the disc because they didn't have time to get them on like many people think. It's because of the cost of licencing the songs.But about microtransactions. I'm talking about aditional content. Not big stuff like whole expansion packs, I'm talking about little things that you have pay for on XBL that should have come with the game anyways. I'm talking about stuff like those Rock Band song packs that released on the same day the game released, and for like... what was it, $5? Stuff like that should not be happening. If developers want to keep their released games still "alive" I can understand releasing downloadable content at a later date, but I do not think we should have to pay more for it, especially when they release it the same day the game comes out! That's just BS, plain and simple.
robbie_basic
This is kinda like the situation where a company is going out of business and the CEO says to the union "I'm sorry but you need to take a pay cut, don't worry I have already reduced my salary to one dollar to show I am not being selfish." the union negotiators have to keep in mind that it isn't an argument between their old pay and the lesser one. It's an argument between zero pay and their new one.
This is like the songs and DLC you probably wouldn't of seen these songs if it wasn't for DLC. They wouldn't have been included on this disc. But I agree, I should really get back to my finance assignment. :S
Thats a good point, but that was just one example off the top of my head. I think paying for gamer pics and themes might be a better example to get my point across... I was shocked when I saw they wanted money for a pack of a few pictures...
they always try to prevent the market from deciding. they always were against thing that could threaten windows. people devolop for windows because they have monopoly. while i agree ms revolutionized the pc industry with windows and have given tremendous benefits, they have never given any fair advatage to their competitors. there is nothing great about them, they are just a business comapany, but greedier, powerfull and unethical than the mostnavalYou are almost contradicting yourself in your own post. Of course Microsoft is out to make money and maximise shareholder whealth. That does not make them greedy, they donate plenty of money and reinvest much more into R&D, again you cannot deny how nice their R&D is, even Linux fanatics admit that.
I am not sure what you mean by not letting competitors rise, they make strategic acquisitions for obvious reasons. They want to get the technology before their competitors can. There are plently of competitors to Microsoft, Apple is one, Sony, Google, Adobe, Sun, etc. The only way I think you would accept them not hurting the competition I think would be if there was another OS with higher market share. The issue is that is not possible due to the nature of OS compatibility. I agree it would be wonderful if we could go back in time and have an open source linux ****OS that runs the world and is completely free and open and universal. I'm not sure that is completely realistic though so we have Windows which works great and is much better than having OS X for example which would mean we would all be using crappy over priced computers we can't even upgrade because they are even more monoploistic.
Thats a good point, but that was just one example off the top of my head. I think paying for gamer pics and themes might be a better example to get my point across... I was shocked when I saw they wanted money for a pack of a few pictures...Not-A-StalkerI agree there also, but to combat that I simply do not buy them. There aren't really any I want so it's not a big deal, the only thing I would like would being able to chose your own gamerpic and make themes yourself with pictures streamed to the console.
I do not really understand why they have gamerpics and themes for sale but someone must be buying them so you can't really blame them if it's working.
[QUOTE="big_smoke_666"]I agree that Nintendo is by far the most innovative in this argument. I also agree Sony did get things by bringing CD's to the scene. Blu ray is not innovative but is actually horrible. It is not nessecary in a console and is holding back society by trying to put an uneeded format. The reason is Blu ray requires manufacturers to use a whole new process to make the discs while HD DVD can use existing DVD factories. This is why Paramount went with HD DVD and is a fact that many of the blu ray/hd dvd arguers fail to think of, but is actually the biggest issue.I think it would be safe to say that without Nintendo there wouldnt be an Xbox or Playstation and we would probably still be using cartridges...what has microsoft done that is on par with that? in terms of innovation nintendo is the most innovative period exploring new controll concepts and new ways to play games as well as new formats and microsoft does not even come close.
my list of innovation (my opinion)
1: Wii (new controlls etc etc)
2: PS3 (introducing blu ray)
3: Xbox 360 (... insert innovation here ...)
robbie_basic
I'm sure some company could invent some disc that holds 100GB but it's useless unless it's mass marketable. So what I'm saying is the PS and even PS2 are innovative yes, Nintendo for sure. PS3 is when Sony started to go downhill and take advantage of customers (I actually think this is because Stringer was made CEO and he isn't Japanese so the company is dieing from within). But the Xbox 360 is very innovative. It has created Live which is simply amazing concept. The integration with other Microsoft products as well has behind the scenes innovation for developers.
You have to remember Microsoft just came into the gaming industry so obviously they aren't going to take any huge risks right away but in the future you better believe there will be some very innovative things coming down the line.
ok yes live is an innovation true i'll give you that :P
but your comments on blu ray are flawed. blu ray can be 100 + gig and is mass marketable the whole blu ray concept is an innovation moreso than the HD DVD concept however that is in the context of innovation. In the context of production issues (costs, developing etc) as with every new format there will be problems producing things for said format for a while untill devs are comfortable with it. your argument on paramount going to HD DVD that is invalid as most prominent movie studios are already on Blu ray.
I think microsoft should be ready to take risks with the gaming industry right about now Xnox 360 being there second console they had there 'safe zone' with the Xbox it is time to take risks and show some innovation.
I won't bother getting into a whole format argument because I think they both suck regardless. Digital distribution is where it is at and Microsoft is leading the way there.ok yes live is an innovation true i'll give you that :P
but your comments on blu ray are flawed. blu ray can be 100 + gig and is mass marketable the whole blu ray concept is an innovation moreso than the HD DVD concept however that is in the context of innovation. In the context of production issues (costs, developing etc) as with every new format there will be problems producing things for said format for a while untill devs are comfortable with it. your argument on paramount going to HD DVD that is invalid as most prominent movie studios are already on Blu ray.
I think microsoft should be ready to take risks with the gaming industry right about now Xnox 360 being there second console they had there 'safe zone' with the Xbox it is time to take risks and show some innovation.
big_smoke_666
I would also say that I don't think it is safe for them to innovate yet. Maybe for the Xbox 720 or Xbox 3.14 whatever they call it. But I would consider what they have done with the 360 pretty innovative in terms of it having the guide and unified menus in game. I could imagine it would have been hard to convince all game developers to allow the console to do that to their game. But it has proven successful and even though I don't know much of what went on behind the scenes I think some innovation took place there that posed some risk.
[QUOTE="robbie_basic"][QUOTE="big_smoke_666"]I agree that Nintendo is by far the most innovative in this argument. I also agree Sony did get things by bringing CD's to the scene. Blu ray is not innovative but is actually horrible. It is not nessecary in a console and is holding back society by trying to put an uneeded format. The reason is Blu ray requires manufacturers to use a whole new process to make the discs while HD DVD can use existing DVD factories. This is why Paramount went with HD DVD and is a fact that many of the blu ray/hd dvd arguers fail to think of, but is actually the biggest issue.I think it would be safe to say that without Nintendo there wouldnt be an Xbox or Playstation and we would probably still be using cartridges...what has microsoft done that is on par with that? in terms of innovation nintendo is the most innovative period exploring new controll concepts and new ways to play games as well as new formats and microsoft does not even come close.
my list of innovation (my opinion)
1: Wii (new controlls etc etc)
2: PS3 (introducing blu ray)
3: Xbox 360 (... insert innovation here ...)
big_smoke_666
I'm sure some company could invent some disc that holds 100GB but it's useless unless it's mass marketable. So what I'm saying is the PS and even PS2 are innovative yes, Nintendo for sure. PS3 is when Sony started to go downhill and take advantage of customers (I actually think this is because Stringer was made CEO and he isn't Japanese so the company is dieing from within). But the Xbox 360 is very innovative. It has created Live which is simply amazing concept. The integration with other Microsoft products as well has behind the scenes innovation for developers.
You have to remember Microsoft just came into the gaming industry so obviously they aren't going to take any huge risks right away but in the future you better believe there will be some very innovative things coming down the line.
ok yes live is an innovation true i'll give you that :P
but your comments on blu ray are flawed. blu ray can be 100 + gig and is mass marketable the whole blu ray concept is an innovation moreso than the HD DVD concept however that is in the context of innovation. In the context of production issues (costs, developing etc) as with every new format there will be problems producing things for said format for a while untill devs are comfortable with it. your argument on paramount going to HD DVD that is invalid as most prominent movie studios are already on Blu ray.
I think microsoft should be ready to take risks with the gaming industry right about now Xnox 360 being there second console they had there 'safe zone' with the Xbox it is time to take risks and show some innovation.
But the sony is proving to be very difficult to dev for and are severly paying the price for risking 'blu ray'. I don't see a need for MS to risk something new when they are cleary on a hot run at the moment.Please Log In to post.
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