Microsoft no longer dares to challenge the PS3 in graphics

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, they said games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

lol, fanboyish enough? PS3 and 360 will have basically the same graphics from here on. They just said that 360 will have better graphics because of marketing. PS3 won't have "great" graphics (ie the kind we've been waiting for) until later on this year, when MGS4, Gran Turismo 5, Final Fantasy, and so on come out. The same thing happened with the 360. It wasn't until Halo 3, Mass Effect (though a bit buggy - but that was the developer's fault), Bioshock, Forza 2, etc came out until people actually started thinking the graphics were good. Think about it, the Xbox was more powerful than the PS2, but the games still looked pretty much the same.

You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.f50p90

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared.

Sihanouk

I've heard 360 games have a few more pixels :shock:

Seriously now, you act like there is a big difference in graphics.

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.Lionheart08

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

lolwut? According to the Gears of War 2 fact sheet, "Gears of War set the standard for high-definition visuals and became the game to which all others are compared. Gears of War 2 raises the bar even further with the amazing technological advances of Unreal Engine 3." proof Cmon try a little harder when you pull things out of your rear endmastarifla

Gears 1 set the standards because it came out first, and it had small environment. Unchartered surpassed Gears 1. Read multiple gaming sites, and you will see this is the case.

Gears 2 of course raises the bar, the 2006 bar, set by an Xbox game, not a PS3 game. They didn't say it will raise the bar set by Uncharted, and GT 5 Prologue. I challenge Microsoft to raise the bar not set by a 2006 game, but by the best of the PS3 games. They can't and wont.

Obviously my rear end makes more sense than many people's mouths. Be smart. Don't fight the PS3 on the graphics department. You will lose. The cell processor and Blu-ray disk are too much for the 360 to compete. And Microsoft knows it.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.f50p90

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

I'm not a hardware guy so that completely blew past me, sorry. :P

But yeah, I get the basic idea.

I've heard 360 games have a few more pixels :shock:

Seriously now, you act like there is a big difference in graphics.

II-FBIsniper-II

There already is a small difference, which will only get bigger over time. At the very least, the PS3 can make a legitimate claim that if gamers want the best graphics, they should buy the PS3.

[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.f50p90

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

This statement is exactly true. Problem is the cell spu and sub processors are a difficult platform to program for, and it will take developers years to properly figure it out. On a side note, by time they do the next MS box may be close to release... Wonder how that will tickle Sony's fancy?

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.Phazevariance

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

This statement is exactly true. Problem is the cell spu and sub processors are a difficult platform to program for, and it will take developers years to properly figure it out. On a side note, by time they do the next MS box may be close to release... Wonder how that will tickle Sony's fancy?

Yeah, the GOOD news is the Cell is starting to get a lot more support. The PS3 was the first release of the Cell to the public, so it's brand new tech. But I read Toshiba lost the format war the invested heavily in the Cell, and it's beginning to be mroe widely used in electronics of all types. So support is high and hopefully the power can be tapped before the next generation

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.Phazevariance

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

This statement is exactly true. Problem is the cell spu and sub processors are a difficult platform to program for, and it will take developers years to properly figure it out. On a side note, by time they do the next MS box may be close to release... Wonder how that will tickle Sony's fancy?

It won't be long. 2008 is the year even lemmings will see that the PS3 does have better graphics, not the same, not minor, but significant. Don't just think about the CPU and GPU. Don't forget the larger space in Blu-ray.

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Sihanouk

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Teh cell, teh cell, teh cell.:roll:

[QUOTE="Phazevariance"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]You never get the BEST looking games on a system until the END of it's lifetime. Just relax with all that.Sihanouk

At the rate their going now, what bar can be raised graphically.

The 360 is limited by the CPU, the Ps3 is limited by the GPU, they are both limited by RAM. However the ps3s CPU (Cell) can supposedly perform GPU function so if a dev can learn to use that then we could start getting better looking games. truth is they are both held back by hardware to keep them at an affordable price. If you want better hardware then your only option is to build a rig. Still, history shows us that visuals should only get better as the consoles age

This statement is exactly true. Problem is the cell spu and sub processors are a difficult platform to program for, and it will take developers years to properly figure it out. On a side note, by time they do the next MS box may be close to release... Wonder how that will tickle Sony's fancy?

It won't be long. 2008 is the year even lemmings will see that the PS3 does have better graphics, not the same, not minor, but significant. Don't just think about the CPU and GPU. Don't forget the larger space in Blu-ray.

Disc Space has NOTHING to do with the graphical power of a system.

my god in heaven...i thought i would never see this but...

some gamers have become graphics whore's:|

i think sony has to worry more about making games that making them look pretty

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Kantroce

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

my god in heaven...i thought i would never see this but...

some gamers have become graphics whore's:|

i think sony has to worry more about making games that making them look pretty

mlbslugger86

Well, how about making games play good and look good? The PS3 gives developers the best chance to do that.

[QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Sihanouk

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

TTDog

I like Dude Raider more.

[QUOTE="TTDog"]

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

SSCyborg

I like Dude Raider more.

I can take either, although Dude indicates he's got a personality and is a decent bloke, whereas Tom can imply he sleeps with Hookers... which is believable.

[QUOTE="SSCyborg"][QUOTE="TTDog"]

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

TTDog

I like Dude Raider more.

I can take either, although Dude indicates he's got a personality and is a decent bloke, whereas Tom can imply he sleeps with Hookers... which is believable.

:lol:

Guess I'll have to play the whole game before I can say for sure.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Nagidar

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Sihanouk

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Sihanouk

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

So how come all the Blu-Ray games seen on the PS3 have yet to better GEars of War, a game releasewd almost 18 months ago... by your own reckoning you must still be pretty young.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

Sihanouk

Perhaps as you grow wiser, you will learn grammar. It isn't bluray that makes the graphics better, it's the GPU and RAM that are the main things. If bluray makes the graphics so much better, why are there so many more games that look better on the PC than on the PS3?

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

Nagidar

But the cel is eight times more powerful than a Quadcore+8800 GTX combined!:question:Violet-Eye

:lol: I love that one!

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

TTDog

I am tired of fanboys saying Gears looking better than Uncharted. You wanna make a bet? Not based on fanboys' opinions. But based on objective game industry professionals. More websites go on the records saying Uncharted looks better than Gears. Uncharted is the current king of graphics.

So let's bet: You find legitimate websites claiming Gears is better than Uncharted. I will find websites claiming Uncharted is better. Who will find more websites? Not fanboy websites. How much do you want to bet?

So, other lemmings, if you read this, put your money where your mouth is.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

HuusAsking

Either way, everything is still bottlenecked by RAM and whats the point of having cut scenes when visuals these days have really no need for cut scenes.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

SSCyborg

Perhaps as you grow wiser, you will learn grammar. It isn't bluray that makes the graphics better, it's the GPU and RAM that are the main things. If bluray makes the graphics so much better, why are there so many more games that look better on the PC than on the PS3?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

Nagidar

Either way, everything is still bottlenecked by RAM and whats the point of having cut scenes when visuals these days have really no need for cut scenes.

[QUOTE="TTDog"]

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

Sihanouk

I am tired of fanboys saying Gears looking better than Uncharted. You wanna make a bet? Not based on fanboys' opinions. But based on objective game industry professionals. More websites go on the records saying Uncharted looks better than Gears. Uncharted is the current king of graphics.

So let's bet: You find legitimate websites claiming Gears is better than Uncharted. I will find websites claiming Uncharted is better. Who will find more websites? Not fanboy websites. How much do you want to bet?

So, other lemmings, if you read this, put your money where your mouth is.

Whatever helps you sleep at night mate, that Uncharted rips off a load of gameplay from Gears shows which game they were trying to copy... shame they failed... and as we're on Gamespot we tend to use the scores and ratings of Gamespot... take a few minutes to check which scored higher...

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Sihanouk

PS3 has last gen hardware comparing to 360, jsut get over, the damage control will not make it better

Did you see how GT5 looks now ??? Maybe PS3 will do Fable 2 and Alan Wake huge dynamic worlds, vast detail and real next gen lighting, some day, the day hell freezes over that is !!!

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

Nagidar

Either way, everything is still bottlenecked by RAM and whats the point of having cut scenes when visuals these days have really no need for cut scenes.

There WILL always be a need for cutscenes in the video gaming industry. It's the best way to progress the story in the game in a way that the designers have in mind. All cutscenes whether CGI or not, take up space.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

HuusAsking

Either way, everything is still bottlenecked by RAM and whats the point of having cut scenes when visuals these days have really no need for cut scenes.

True, but that has nothing to do with BluRay making graphics better, that was my point. graphical power is hardware, not disc space / format. (But I'm sure you already know that)

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Nagidar"]

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

Sihanouk

Either way, everything is still bottlenecked by RAM and whats the point of having cut scenes when visuals these days have really no need for cut scenes.

There WILL always be a need for cutscenes in the video gaming industry. It's the best way to progress the story in the game in a way that the designers have in mind. All cutscenes whether CGI or not, take up space.

Wow, you're full of it, you can think that all you want, but the fact remains, you failed, graphical power of a system has NOTHING to do with disc space / format.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

Nagidar

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

Explain to me how I'm wrong, I've alread posted why you're wrong and you've done nothing except spread false information. Does a BluRay Disc have some hidden GPU on it or something?

You can't be more wrong because you said I have no clue about devs or about how Blu-ray helps with graphics. I am not just talking about graphical power. I am talking about BETTER graphics. In game graphics, size and length matters. Blu-ray helps.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="TTDog"]

Why would they challenge something that hasn't even caught up to them yet?

Gears STILL looks better than anything we've seen since... including Tom Raider's Uncharted.

TTDog

I am tired of fanboys saying Gears looking better than Uncharted. You wanna make a bet? Not based on fanboys' opinions. But based on objective game industry professionals. More websites go on the records saying Uncharted looks better than Gears. Uncharted is the current king of graphics.

So let's bet: You find legitimate websites claiming Gears is better than Uncharted. I will find websites claiming Uncharted is better. Who will find more websites? Not fanboy websites. How much do you want to bet?

So, other lemmings, if you read this, put your money where your mouth is.

Whatever helps you sleep at night mate, that Uncharted rips off a load of gameplay from Gears shows which game they were trying to copy... shame they failed... and as we're on Gamespot we tend to use the scores and ratings of Gamespot... take a few minutes to check which scored higher...

lolwut? According to the Gears of War 2 fact sheet, "Gears of War set the standard for high-definition visuals and became the game to which all others are compared. Gears of War 2 raises the bar even further with the amazing technological advances of Unreal Engine 3." proof Cmon try a little harder when you pull things out of your rear endmastarifla

stop talking about Gears 2 till we see it.

You can't be more wrong because you said I have no clue about devs or about how Blu-ray helps with graphics. I am not just talking about graphical power. I am talking about BETTER graphics. In game graphics, size and length matters. Blu-ray helps.

Sihanouk

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="Kantroce"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

In 2006, the folks at Microsoft said that games will always look better on the 360. In 2007, games look the best on the 360, ignoring the likes of Uncharted, Ratchet, and others. In 2008, Microsoft has been quiet, perhaps even scared. In 2009, Microsoft will probably avoid talking about graphics altogether.

I think Microsoft knows that the days of the Xbox 360 having better looking games are over. So, lemmings here, should also. Just give it up. The PS3 is the console with the best graphics in 2008 and beyond.

TTDog

You do know Microsoft is not the one that creates EVERY FREAKING GAME FOR THE 360. It's up to the devs if they want to put the effort into graphics. You know, the devs that have nothing to do with MS except for developing on their console.

Do you even have any idea what it takes to get "better graphics" and no Blu-ray has nothing to do with it. The only thing that's great about Blu-ray is the uncompressed music. Besides who cares, both of them aren't even that graphically powerful and in all actuality they're pretty similar in power.

Speaking of devs, do you realize that fewer and fewer devs now go on records to say that the 360 is as powerful as the PS3? That fewer of them say the 360 will continue to match the PS3 in graphics? In fact, in 2008, I haven't heard any dev, first or 3rd party for the 360, dares to challenge the PS3 either. Because they know it. The PS3 is simply more powerful.

Blu-ray isn't just about sound. The space can be used for amazing cutscenes, more high quality car models, larger and longer game environment (unlike the short, crowded gameplay of Gears), etc.

Italics: Thats your opinion, nothing more, you have no clue what devs are thinking.

Bold: Again, you have no clue what you're talking about, the Disc Space has no impact on the graphical power of a system, thats the hardware and no, BD does not mean larger enviornments, because the amount of data that can be loaded on the screen is bottlenecked by RAM.

You can't be more wrong. Everyone gets wiser as they grow older. So will you. And you will see that Blu-ray does make graphics BETTER. Long good graphics is BETTER than short good graphics. Have many good looking cars is BETTER than having a few good looking cars.

So how come all the Blu-Ray games seen on the PS3 have yet to better GEars of War, a game releasewd almost 18 months ago... by your own reckoning you must still be pretty young.

This is YOUR opinion. I just challenged any lemming to a bet on Gears vs. Uncharted. More websites, not fanboy websites, say which game has the best graphics? Wanna bet?

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

You can't be more wrong because you said I have no clue about devs or about how Blu-ray helps with graphics. I am not just talking about graphical power. I am talking about BETTER graphics. In game graphics, size and length matters. Blu-ray helps.

HuusAsking

Exactly. He really does have no clue what he's talking about. The ONLY thing BluRay will help with is content, not graphical power.