Microsoft only ships 500k 360's in 3 months - Loses 315M in the EDD

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Electronics and Devices loses $315M this quarter vs $402M last year. For the year, they've lost $693M vs $861M last year (3 quaters)



Entertainment and Devices Division ("EDD") products include the Microsoft Xbox video game console system, PC games, consumer software and hardware products, the Zune digital music and entertainment device, TV platform products for the interactive television industry, and Mobile and Embedded devices (principally Windows Mobile software platform and Windows Embedded device operating system). The success of video game consoles is determined by console innovation, the portfolio of video game content for the console, online offerings, and the market share of the console. We believe that the functionality of the Xbox 360 console, games portfolio, and online offerings are well-positioned relative to competitive consoles launched during 2006.

EDD revenue decreased during the three months ended March 31, 2007 primarily because of decreased Xbox 360 console sales. During the quarter, we shipped 0.5 million Xbox 360 consoles as compared to 1.7 million consoles in the third quarter of fiscal year 2006, which was the first full quarter of Xbox 360 console sales. Xbox and PC game revenue decreased $393 million or 44% during the three months ended March 31, 2007 due to the decrease in console sales. Revenue from Zune, consumer hardware and software, and TV platforms increased $103 million or 61% during the three months ended March 31, 2007, primarily reflecting the recent release of Zune and new consumer hardware products. Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue increased $38 million or 30% during the three months ended March 31, 2007 driven by sales growth in Windows Mobile software and Windows Embedded operating systems.

EDD revenue increased during the nine months ended March 31, 2007 primarily due to increased Xbox 360 console sales, sales of Zune, and increased Xbox accessories and video game sales. We shipped approximately 5.9 million Xbox 360 consoles during the first nine months of fiscal year 2007. Since the Xbox 360 console was launched in November 2005, we have shipped approximately 11 million units. Xbox and PC game revenue increased $914 million or 37% during the nine months ended March 31, 2007 as a result of the increased number of consoles sold and related accessories and video game sales. Revenue from Zune, consumer hardware and software, and TV platforms increased $426 million or 68% during the nine months ended March 31, 2007, primarily reflecting the release of Zune and new consumer hardware products. Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue increased $109 million or 31% during the nine months ended March 31, 2007, driven by sales growth in Windows Mobile software and Windows Embedded operating systems.

EDD operating loss decreased during the three months ended March 31, 2007 primarily due to decreased products costs from lower sales of Xbox 360 consoles and increased Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue, partially offset by expenses related to the launch of Zune and increased Xbox 360 console warranty expenses. EDD operating loss decreased during the nine months ended March 31, 2007 primarily due to increased Xbox 360 platform sales and improved Xbox 360 console margins, partially offset by expenses related to the launch of Zune and increased Xbox 360 console warranty expenses. Headcount-related costs increased 10% and 13% during the three and nine months ended March 31, 2007, reflecting an increase in salaries and benefits for existing headcount and a 13% increase in headcount, partially offset by decreased stock-based compensation expense.

For fiscal year 2007, we expect revenue to increase due to the increased availability of Xbox 360 during the entire fiscal year and sales of Zune after its November 2006 launch. Revenue from mobility and embedded devices is expected to increase due to unit volume increases of Windows Mobile software driven by increased market demand for phone-enabled devices and Windows Embedded operating systems.

they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)Dreams-Visions

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360.  The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been.  The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)MasterChumly

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking).  the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming. 

Microsoft is selling well, I don't expect it to keep up with the Wii's steam at this pointDouglasBuffone

the Wii steam will only be met with the DS' steam :) 

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

eastside49er

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means.  IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes). 

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous". 

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)Dreams-Visions

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking).  the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming. 

Basically microsoft has this year to start turning profits on the 360 or its going to cause an investor riot.  I am confident though they are going to earn a fair share of money over the course of the next year with the 360.  Hopefully it will be the turning point so MS can start earning back its lost money. 

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)MasterChumly

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking). the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming.

Basically microsoft has this year to start turning profits on the 360 or its going to cause an investor riot. I am confident though they are going to earn a fair share of money over the course of the next year with the 360. Hopefully it will be the turning point so MS can start earning back its lost money.

we'll see.  the investors should sit back and enjoy the 5 billion NET EARNINGS and let Microsoft make the games division do what they're trying to do.  Progress is clear, even if it doens't reflect greatly financially. 

Another Sony fanboy! Count the NPD from Jan - Mar and you will see that MS sold more than 500K units in NA let alone the rest of the world.

You = PWNT!

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means.  IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes). 

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous". 

And in other news, the 360 has yet another 1 million seller in GRAW2. The 360 = money machine for devs/pubs.eastside49er

the 360 has 14 or 15 of them now.  craziness. 

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade?  Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft.  Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times.  Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual. 

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]And in other news, the 360 has yet another 1 million seller in GRAW2. The 360 = money machine for devs/pubs.Dreams-Visions

the 360 has 14 or 15 of them now.  craziness. 

By the end of the year, it will have around 30+.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

taco1881

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade?  Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft.  Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times.  Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual. 

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

taco1881

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

taco1881

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade?  Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft.  Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times.  Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual. 

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

you can't be serious. 

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

you can't be serious.

Another Sony fanboy! Count the NPD from Jan - Mar and you will see that MS sold more than 500K units in NA let alone the rest of the world.

You = PWNT!

 

PS3_3DO

thats not saying much considering 360 is dead in japan and sells less then half of what it sales in the usa in the rest of the world on a month by month basis.

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

I didn't know exxon had anything to do with the gaming industry, software, hardware and I could go on.

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

eastside49er

The tricky part is the fine print:

"EDD operating loss decreased during the three months ended March 31, 2007 primarily due to decreased products costs from lower sales of Xbox 360 consoles"

So basically, the only reason they lost less money is by selling less consoles...   ...how on earth do they expect to turn a profit this year with that kind of offset???? Is their goal to ship as few consoles as possible and just sell software to the 10-12 million users they'll have??? I guess, if that's their plan, then they'll be successful in the 'profit' area...    ...but then again, if they don't continue to grow that userbase and get surpassed by both the Wii and PS3, they'll start losing all of those games they're counting on for money.

[QUOTE="remington38"][QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

eastside49er

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

I didn't know exxon had anything to do with the gaming industry, software, hardware and I could go on.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)MasterChumly

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking).  the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming. 

Basically microsoft has this year to start turning profits on the 360 or its going to cause an investor riot.  I am confident though they are going to earn a fair share of money over the course of the next year with the 360.  Hopefully it will be the turning point so MS can start earning back its lost money. 

 As long as MS keeps putting out such high net income numbers, like the $5 billion in a quarter, I don't think investors will protest. The company is doing great overall and those are the primary numbers investors look at. Besides, it'd cost more money to MS to give up their gaming division than to keep it going.

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Another Sony fanboy! Count the NPD from Jan - Mar and you will see that MS sold more than 500K units in NA let alone the rest of the world.

You = PWNT!

 

InfamousC

thats not saying much considering 360 is dead in japan and sells less then half of what it sales in the usa in the rest of the world on a month by month basis.

 So, PS3 isn't selling well in Japan either so MS doesn't to worry as much. Also the guy above who said the 360 sold more than 500k, that is entirely possible with shipments that were already out before that date, so even if MS only shipped half a million for those 3 months it was still possible to sell more than that amount with units that were already in retailers before that time.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

NotThat_basic

The tricky part is the fine print:

"EDD operating loss decreased during the three months ended March 31, 2007 primarily due to decreased products costs from lower sales of Xbox 360 consoles"

So basically, the only reason they lost less money is by selling less consoles...   ...how on earth do they expect to turn a profit this year with that kind of offset???? Is their goal to ship as few consoles as possible and just sell software to the 10-12 million users they'll have??? I guess, if that's their plan, then they'll be successful in the 'profit' area...    ...but then again, if they don't continue to grow that userbase and get surpassed by both the Wii and PS3, they'll start losing all of those games they're counting on for money.

Well considering they shipped 4.4 million the last quarter and lost the same amount of money, I feel like that statement is false. It could also mean that losing 1 out of 3 production companies hurt or that millions went into the Elite production.

Of course we will probably see a few more lost quarters mainly because they are still paying for the investment, not only for the 360, but for the Zune, making games, making hardware, etc.

[QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)themyth01

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking).  the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming. 

Basically microsoft has this year to start turning profits on the 360 or its going to cause an investor riot.  I am confident though they are going to earn a fair share of money over the course of the next year with the 360.  Hopefully it will be the turning point so MS can start earning back its lost money. 

 As long as MS keeps putting out such high net income numbers, like the $5 billion in a quarter, I don't think investors will protest. The company is doing great overall and those are the primary numbers investors look at. Besides, it'd cost more money to MS to give up their gaming division than to keep it going.

what the hell?! they do nothing but loose money from the xbox devision it would do them some justice just to stop with it while they are only so far behind.

Well considering they shipped 4.4 million the last quarter and lost the same amount of money, I feel like that statement is false. It could also mean that losing 1 out of 3 production companies hurt or that millions went into the Elite production.

Of course we will probably see a few more lost quarters mainly because they are still paying for the investment, not only for the 360, but for the Zune, making games, making hardware, etc.

eastside49er

Yeah, but I wasn't making assumptions - I was quoting what the article said. And they attributed less losses to the fact of selling less consoles. Period. Nothing was stated about production companies, or the Elite, or anything else...

...I think MS is still, to this day, losing money on every 360 sold. Unless I'm misreading something, that pretty much sums up what was said. And if they lose even more money on each Elite sold, then God help them - but maybe that's not the case, maybe they actually make $10-$20 on the new console hence, the ramp-up.

Eh, who cares - MS is filthy freakin' rich... 

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

eastside49er

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade?  Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft.  Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times.  Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual. 

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

LMAO! Your joking! Tell me your joking.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Pro_wrestler

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

LMAO! Your joking! Tell me your joking.

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="MasterChumly"]

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]they also made 5 billion in net income. ;)InfamousC

Although I dont think they are in trouble with the 360 the 5 billion in net income has no relevence for the 360. The fact is people are NOT happy with the financial disaster that the XBOX-XBOX360 has been. The bright side though is they are looking to earn some money over the next year espcially with sony floundering.

point was Microsoft is just fine with these small losses (relatively speaking).  the 360 is about more than just gaming, just as the PS3 is more than just about gaming. 

Basically microsoft has this year to start turning profits on the 360 or its going to cause an investor riot.  I am confident though they are going to earn a fair share of money over the course of the next year with the 360.  Hopefully it will be the turning point so MS can start earning back its lost money. 

 As long as MS keeps putting out such high net income numbers, like the $5 billion in a quarter, I don't think investors will protest. The company is doing great overall and those are the primary numbers investors look at. Besides, it'd cost more money to MS to give up their gaming division than to keep it going.

what the hell?! they do nothing but loose money from the xbox devision it would do them some justice just to stop with it while they are only so far behind.

There is money to be made in the gaming industry and if they can capture it then they will profit. You have to spend money to make money any business sence will know that. Using your logic "Xbox is'nt doing so well, so they should give up" then Sony should give up and the Gamecube should have given up, now look at Nintendo. You always loose before you gain, even with the most successful companies, Manufaturing, Developement, Research & Marketing which are all things that you have to invest in to see a profit. Sometimes you see money right away(Wii), sometimes it takes years to go green.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"][QUOTE="eastside49er"][QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

You do realize that the 360 isn't the only part of the EDD?

By the way, the 360 is already in the black (red = losing, black = even, green = making). The money they are losing steams from money invested (games, 360, Zune, etc), which is why if you read, it says they expect to make a profit this year, which is actually a year earlier than their original mid to late 2008 predictions.

[QUOTE="taco1881"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

remington38

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

So the key to a succesful business is having a division that has been a failure for almost a decade? Microsofts profit has absolutly nothing to do with the fact that the XBOX has and will always be a financial mistake for Microsoft. Your a child so I don't expect you to actually understand anything, your idea of an argument is typing a number several times. Maybe the people that actually invest in Microsoft are cheering that the Xbox lost the company another $300 million as usual.

[QUOTE="eastside49er"]

5 billion in profit over shadows everything IMO.

Dreams-Visions

pretty much.

people really need to step back and understand what that means. IN ONE QUARTER (3 months time), Microsoft made 5 billion dollars NET (that's AFTER taxes).

5,000,000,000.00

that's what I call "re-damn-diculous".

LMAO! Your joking! Tell me your joking.

Oh, I can totally see this. You burn gas going to Gamestop/ebgames to get games, so that must mean that Exxon makes money from gaming as a whole cause you burn their gas going to get Games, It makes so much sence now /sarcasm

 MS is a company with ventures in different areas (Gaming, Small Electronics, Software etcetera..) They lose money to one of their ventures(EDD;$800,000,000) But they still made money as a whole company ($5,000,000,000). As a whole they are in green ($5,000,000,000 - $800,000,000 = $4,200,000,000) Everything that MS does is relative and has some sort of effect on other divisions throughout their company.