Microsoft: PS3 Consumers Paying For Technology They Don't Need!

And the pot called the kettle black.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/advertorialist/microsoft-ps3-consumers-paying-for-technology-they-dont-need-299231.php

"Cornelius' best quote from the piece is his stance on the Blu-ray and wi-fi enabled PLAYSTATION 3. He reiterates that Microsoft's philosophy "is about giving people the same experience as our other consoles, but letting them upgrade when they feel comfortable doing so - and not to foot a huge bill for technology they don't need."

"One can easily argue that no one needs a Blu-ray player. One could also argue that some gamers do need wi-fi built in if they want to get online with their consoles. Paying $99 (or £59.99, if that's your thing) for an Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter is also kind of a huge bill to foot for some."

Discuss.

*coughmicrotransactionscough*Dilrod

Congratulations, first post and you've already gone offtopic, made no sense, and self-defeated yourself.

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]*coughmicrotransactionscough*Grive

Congratulations, first post and you've already gone offtopic, made no sense, and self-defeated yourself.

I was referencing how its funny M$ talks about making people pay for things. I work for Dell too, and lets talk about making people choose technology they don't want. (Vista anyone?). Only for them to abandon it (new OS coming 2009) shortly after.

That might be true to an extent , but Microsoft is charging us waaaaaaaay too much for technolgy that we really want.

If you want to play quality games, you dont need any next gen consoles. A PS2, an Xbox, a gamecube or a dreamcast will suffice.

And lets not forget how MS cut the production of the original xbox and its games to force an upgrade.

i need wi-fi to play games online since my router is downstairs and my system is upstairs and wifi makes it easy. and since i have a hdtv i need a hdplayer.... M$ are chargeing extra for the stuff i "need".

And the pot called the kettle black.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/advertorialist/microsoft-ps3-consumers-paying-for-technology-they-dont-need-299231.php

"Cornelius' best quote from the piece is his stance on the Blu-ray and wi-fi enabled PLAYSTATION 3. He reiterates that Microsoft's philosophy "is about giving people the same experience as our other consoles, but letting them upgrade when they feel comfortable doing so - and not to foot a huge bill for technology they don't need."

"One can easily argue that no one needs a Blu-ray player. One could also argue that some gamers do need wi-fi built in if they want to get online with their consoles. Paying $99 (or £59.99, if that's your thing) for an Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter is also kind of a huge bill to foot for some."

Discuss.

gmastersexay

If MS realy felt that way, then why did they bunle teh HDD with the original Xbox? In fact, they openly mocked both Sony AND Nintendo for not bundling in HDD and ethernet. What's funny is that MS also included DVD playback with the Xbox but CHARGED people for the priveledging of unlocking it for actual use.These are also the people who charge money to go online yet most gamesaren't on dedicated servers -the only thing that costs actual money.Suddenly they are now all about options and choice.

MS DOEShave a legitimate point. They just buried it under a bunch of typical MS arrogance.

why you have to have wifi to get online?Mystery_Writer

[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]*coughmicrotransactionscough*Dilrod

Congratulations, first post and you've already gone offtopic, made no sense, and self-defeated yourself.

I was referencing how its funny M$ talks about making people pay for things. I work for Dell too, and lets talk about making people choose technology they don't want. (Vista anyone?). Only for them to abandon it (new OS coming 2009) shortly after.

[QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]*coughmicrotransactionscough*Dilrod

Congratulations, first post and you've already gone offtopic, made no sense, and self-defeated yourself.

I was referencing how its funny M$ talks about making people pay for things. I work for Dell too, and lets talk about making people choose technology they don't want. (Vista anyone?). Only for them to abandon it (new OS coming 2009) shortly after.

In no way shape or form is anyone forced to buy microtransactions and as for Dell only selling Vista copies that is entirely Dells fault. Plenty of computer companies still offer Xp because the chose falls in the hands of the computer manufactorer and not Microsoft. Microsoft are still selling OEM copies of Xp and there is NOTHING forcing Dell to use Vista instead of Xp. I can see you have picked up Dells trait of constantly blaming the wrong people. Additionally, a new OS coming in 2009 is nothing more than a rumor without any evidence to back it up.

Your first post made no sense, your second post made even less sense. Please don't try again.

Pretty weak statement on Microsoft's part. Many people, including myself WANT all the technology offered by the PS3, and getting it all at a better price is clearly a good thing. When I say better price, I'm of course considering an equal comparison....PS3 vs. 360 with all the add-ons.

[QUOTE="Dilrod"][QUOTE="Grive"]

[QUOTE="Dilrod"]*coughmicrotransactionscough*Nonam3gamer

Congratulations, first post and you've already gone offtopic, made no sense, and self-defeated yourself.

I was referencing how its funny M$ talks about making people pay for things. I work for Dell too, and lets talk about making people choose technology they don't want. (Vista anyone?). Only for them to abandon it (new OS coming 2009) shortly after.

In no way shape or form is anyone forced to buy microtransactions and as for Dell only selling Vista copies that is entirely Dells fault. Plenty of computer companies still offer Xp because the chose falls in the hands of the computer manufactorer and not Microsoft. Microsoft are still selling OEM copies of Xp and there is NOTHING forcing Dell to use Vista instead of Xp. I can see you have picked up Dells trait of constantly blaming the wrong people. Additionally, a new OS coming in 2009 is nothing more than a rumor without any evidence to back it up.

Your first post made no sense, your second post made even less sense. Please don't try again.

well, you dont need to shower, but you do it anyway. (hopefully)

Even though we may not NEED it, its still nice to have.

Lol this is pretty funny IMO.

We didnt NEED HDMI or Larger HDDs, yet Microsoft decides to screw first owners of the 360 and make those models anyways. Now those people can "upgrade at their own leisure" AND SCREW THEMSELVES AGAIN BY FORKING OVER ANOTHER $400.

Truth is, HDMI, Blu-Ray, Larger HDD, Wi-Fi are ALL NEEDED. Even Nintendo understands the Wi-Fi while Microsoft decides to give a swift kick in the nuts to 360 owners with a $100 price tag.

Microft is playing catchup to the PS3 technology. Always will be, as long as this generation lasts.

Cause I don't mind paying more up front.

More so I don't have to deal with tech support (RROD).
More so there is the 50GB available to developers in 4-6 yrs into the console's life cycle.
More cause I know I will eventually buy the wifi and BR drive(if they were made an accessory initially)
More so I don't have to look at my PS3 and accessories sticking to it or sitting on top of it. Less mess.
More so I don't have to deal with controller wires when people walk in front of me. Less mess.
More so I don't have to pay (approx) $50 per year for online gaming which actually equals $250 in 5 yr.

OMG, I am dumb to want the above. :)

Lol this is pretty funny IMO.

We didnt NEED HDMI or Larger HDDs, yet Microsoft decides to screw first owners of the 360 and make those models anyways. Now those people can "upgrade at their own leisure" AND SCREW THEMSELVES AGAIN BY FORKING OVER ANOTHER $400.

Truth is, HDMI, Blu-Ray, Larger HDD, Wi-Fi are ALL NEEDED. Even Nintendo understands the Wi-Fi while Microsoft decides to give a swift kick in the nuts to 360 owners with a $100 price tag.

Microft is playing catchup to the PS3 technology. Always will be, as long as this generation lasts.

Omnisystem

Why is Blu-Ray needed again? It's valuable, and probably nice to have, but it certainly isn't any sort of requirement.

[QUOTE="Omnisystem"]

Lol this is pretty funny IMO.

We didnt NEED HDMI or Larger HDDs, yet Microsoft decides to screw first owners of the 360 and make those models anyways. Now those people can "upgrade at their own leisure" AND SCREW THEMSELVES AGAIN BY FORKING OVER ANOTHER $400.

Truth is, HDMI, Blu-Ray, Larger HDD, Wi-Fi are ALL NEEDED. Even Nintendo understands the Wi-Fi while Microsoft decides to give a swift kick in the nuts to 360 owners with a $100 price tag.

Microft is playing catchup to the PS3 technology. Always will be, as long as this generation lasts.

Zeliard9

Why is Blu-Ray needed again? It's valuable, and probably nice to have, but it certainly isn't any sort of requirement.

This is different from their entire business model..how?

Who the hell outside of a corporate environment needs half the stuff Windows offers and 90% of the things Office offers? While we're at it who needs their AV software when all but the worst destroy it?

Thats not even getting into microtransactions, their overpriced add-ons and the utterly ridiculous Halo 3 Legendary bundle. Seriously, I could get Arc the Lad Collection for $50 less when it came out and it has FOUR games and tons of extras.

With the PS3 the consumer is getting the latest and more advanced technology in one purchase and not having to keep purchasing the extra components to get close to what the PS3 has. And now Sony has released firmware on the PS3 and PSP that allows owners of these systems to share files remotely from any internet hot spot on the planet (this is why wifi is almost needed). The Blu-Tooth was a big plus because so many things are going to this technology now. Basicly the PS3 is going ahead with technology instead of just staying with the present technology (reason the PS3 was designed for a 10 year life span).

As for Blu-Ray not only is it a movie player but every PS3 game comes out on this format, so if people want the games then they will be getting the PS3. Where the 360 has already shown that the DVD9 is just not going to be enough storage space for games in the near future.

And what is wrong with Vista?
I highly doubt the new OS will come out in 2009. That's not an offical release date, and the OS has been pushed back since 2001. I am sure it will get pushed back again.
limpbizkit818

Ridiculous hardware requirements, cynical locking off of DX10 from XP to get people to upgrade, multiple programs that spy on you which are vital to the system, updates that download even if you specifically set automatic updates to off, DRM out of the wazoo, ridiculous expense ($399 for Ultimate, $240 for the lowest non-gimped version) and security features that are of dubious usefulness because of their crappy implementation.

Is that enough?

Pretty weak statement on Microsoft's part. Many people, including myself WANT all the technology offered by the PS3, and getting it all at a better price is clearly a good thing. When I say better price, I'm of course considering an equal comparison....PS3 vs. 360 with all the add-ons.

_AsasN_

Your missing one big factor...Do people actually want and/or need that stuff for gaming? The answer is no. You don't need Wi-fi to play online, you don't need Blu-ray as an enhancement for your gaming experience, you don't need an SD/Compact flash card reader to transfer and save your files.

You may want all these things but it doesn't change the fact that most people don't. It doesn't change the fact that your gaming experience is not compromised with-out it.

Your missing one big factor...Do people actually want and/or need that stuff for gaming? The answer is no. You don't need Wi-fi to play online, you don't need Blu-ray as an enhancement for your gaming experience, you don't need an SD/Compact flash card reader to transfer and save your files.

You may want all these things but it doesn't change the fact that most people don't. It doesn't change the fact that your gaming experience is not compromised with-out it.

Pro_wrestler

You do however need XBL to play online on 360. Total cost for early adopters = $250. Oh yeah and if you want a bigger HDD that'll be another $170. Enjoy that.

This is different from their entire business model..how?

Who the hell outside of a corporate environment needs half the stuff Windows offers and 90% of the things Office offers? While we're at it who needs their AV software when all but the worst destroy it?

Thats not even getting into microtransactions, their overpriced add-ons and the utterly ridiculous Halo 3 Legendary bundle. Seriously, I could get Arc the Lad Collection for $50 less when it came out and it has FOUR games and tons of extras.

Runningflame570

There are other, easier and better alternatives thats easily accessible? With PS3 the answer is yes. Every one of its good games can be played on a cheaper system.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Your missing one big factor...Do people actually want and/or need that stuff for gaming? The answer is no. You don't need Wi-fi to play online, you don't need Blu-ray as an enhancement for your gaming experience, you don't need an SD/Compact flash card reader to transfer and save your files.

You may want all these things but it doesn't change the fact that most people don't. It doesn't change the fact that your gaming experience is not compromised with-out it.

Runningflame570

You do however need XBL to play online on 360. Total cost for early adopters = $250. Oh yeah and if you want a bigger HDD that'll be another $170. Enjoy that.

oh, and dont forget the cooling fan that should be included, thats another 20-30$ M$ charges you. now i know why they call microsoft Micro$oft...

[QUOTE="Runningflame570"]

This is different from their entire business model..how?

Who the hell outside of a corporate environment needs half the stuff Windows offers and 90% of the things Office offers? While we're at it who needs their AV software when all but the worst destroy it?

Thats not even getting into microtransactions, their overpriced add-ons and the utterly ridiculous Halo 3 Legendary bundle. Seriously, I could get Arc the Lad Collection for $50 less when it came out and it has FOUR games and tons of extras.

Pro_wrestler

There are other, easier and better alternatives thats easily accessible? With PS3 the answer is yes. Every one of its good games can be played on a cheaper system.

in my opinion with the ps3 your getting the most for your money. of course its 500-600$, but micro$oft trys to scam more of your money out of you later. buying the extra HD DVD, the wireless adapter and the cooling fan, which i think is the most ridiculous thing that you have to buy a cooling fan, is bs. with ps3 you get everything in a one time payment, and with the 360 u get charged for every little thing.

There are other, easier and better alternatives thats easily accessible? With PS3 the answer is yes. Every one of its good games can be played on a cheaper system.

Pro_wrestler

Actually yeah, the *nixs have made huge strides recently and you would be surprised how much you can play off of Wine or Cedega.

oh, and dont forget the cooling fan that should be included, thats another 20-30$ M$ charges you. now i know why they call microsoft Micro$oft...

TreetarD93

Thats actually ill-advised, Microsoft put in a power supply that was just "good enough" so you don't want to add that kind of energy draw to the system.

$ony charges you $200 for an unproven format, simply so they can push it onto their consumers. If Sony never shot for Blu-Ray, they would never have made HD-DVD the main format for the system -- in other words, the fact that games can be "bigger" was merely a bonus. That or an excuse.

The only truly stupid thing Microsoft did was think that people don't need a HDD. I've spent $400 on my 360: No Wi-Fi, no HD-DVD Drive, no extra cooling fan. Nothing. While Microsoft may be rat-bastards for not including the stuff but then making it cost a ridiculous amount, Sony forces you into their unproven format when it just isn't needed.

Why pay $200 extra right now for something that will be something useful in 5 years? Don't expect the PS3 to have the same life-span as the PS1/2 did. Remember, both of those were the #1 systems of their generation, and as such, could continue to sell well after the other "newer" consoles started coming out. If PS3 is still in 3rd place by the time the next generation starts rolling in, I seriously doubt the PS3 is going to have even a quarter of the support the PS2 has now.

I was referencing how its funny M$ talks about making people pay for things. I work for Dell too, and lets talk about making people choose technology they don't want. (Vista anyone?). Only for them to abandon it (new OS coming 2009) shortly after.

Dilrod

Vista is all fine, and if you're buying a new PC, you can get the OEM version for much cheaper so it really isn't a problem. I just bought a PC the other day and Vista Ultimate 64 bit (4Gb of RAM, that's why 64bit) cost me about 140EUR that's around $200 USD. Granted it's still not cheap, but I can live with that, while if I'd buy the standard non OEM verion of Ultimate I'd had to pay around 550EUR which is around $780 USD, quite a difference if you ask me.

But I kindly agree with you that such things as Operating Systems should cost way less. 550EUR just to be able to use the computer is an overkill. The price of an OS should be around 100EUR or $150 US. But there's always alternatives to Microsoft, so it's either or.

Aside of that, tech studens get their legal copies for free here where I live, so I could even go ask a friend to get me one for free, and I will do this for my second computer.

I certainly don't think a next microsoft OS is planed before at least 2012, and even if it is, Vista will still work, as will XP and all the previous version. The DirectX 10 only for Vista is a gimmick yeah, but they are allowed to do this, even more gimmicky is games that only run on Vista, but there's not much of those, every smart developer/publisher will make games for DX9 and DX10 at least for a while, on the other hand Halo 2 was so old, that it really doesn't matter if people buy it in masses or not, it was just a Vista sales booster kind of thing.

Aside of that Vista is a prefectly fine OS if you're running newer rigs. It has its problems as all the OSes have at start, it will get ironed out through time like always to a point where minor bugs don't really cause problems. All in all what I'm trying to say is,buying an OS every 5-10 years wont really kill anyone. If you got the money for a computer you can almost always afford the OS if you wish, noone is forcing you to get it.

$ony charges you $200 for an unproven format, simply so they can push it onto their consumers. If Sony never shot for Blu-Ray, they would never have made HD-DVD the main format for the system -- in other words, the fact that games can be "bigger" was merely a bonus. That or an excuse.

The only truly stupid thing Microsoft did was think that people don't need a HDD. I've spent $400 on my 360: No Wi-Fi, no HD-DVD Drive, no extra cooling fan. Nothing. While Microsoft may be rat-bastards for not including the stuff but then making it cost a ridiculous amount, Sony forces you into their unproven format when it just isn't needed.

Why pay $200 extra right now for something that will be something useful in 5 years? Don't expect the PS3 to have the same life-span as the PS1/2 did. Remember, both of those were the #1 systems of their generation, and as such, could continue to sell well after the other "newer" consoles started coming out. If PS3 is still in 3rd place by the time the next generation starts rolling in, I seriously doubt the PS3 is going to have even a quarter of the support the PS2 has now.

Apathetic-Irony

Good points and I agree with you... But the anti Microsoft crew are right about Microsoft stuffing programs we don't want or need into their OS.

Good points and I agree with you... But the anti Microsoft crew are right about Microsoft stuffing programs we don't want or need into their OS.

GoldenSamurai

Invasion of privacy, price-gauging and software bloat/security/instability more like.

[QUOTE="GoldenSamurai"]

Good points and I agree with you... But the anti Microsoft crew are right about Microsoft stuffing programs we don't want or need into their OS.

Runningflame570

Invasion of privacy, price-gauging and software bloat/security/instability more like.

Then find a better alternative... oh wait... you can't.

Then find a better alternative... oh wait... you can't.

wmc540

What do you think I'm running right now? Heres a hint, its not made in Redmond or Cupertino.

[QUOTE="wmc540"]

Then find a better alternative... oh wait... you can't.

Runningflame570

What do you think I'm running right now? Heres a hint, its not made in Redmond or Cupertino.

I said find a better alternative.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

And what is wrong with Vista?
I highly doubt the new OS will come out in 2009. That's not an offical release date, and the OS has been pushed back since 2001. I am sure it will get pushed back again.
Runningflame570

Ridiculous hardware requirements, cynical locking off of DX10 from XP to get people to upgrade, multiple programs that spy on you which are vital to the system, updates that download even if you specifically set automatic updates to off, DRM out of the wazoo, ridiculous expense ($399 for Ultimate, $240 for the lowest non-gimped version) and security features that are of dubious usefulness because of their crappy implementation.

Is that enough?

"And what is wrong with Vista?"

Hello? It is wrong on so many levels. From a consumer standpoint. From a technical standpoint. What can your Vista do that your XP Pro cannot? The difference are minor.

DirectX - Everyone except you knows why MS only include Directx 10 with Vista and not XP. But I hear that might change though.

Firewall - get ZoneAlarm Free
Antivirus - get AVG Free
Antispyware - get spywareblaster, search and destroy free.
Memory requirement - XP is just better.
Running older software - XP is just better BC.

So what are you really getting with Vista? A Bill.