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#1 Ninja-Hippo
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The new 250GB prorprietary hard drives in the 360 slim are just normal laptop hard drives.... in a plastic casing.

So they take the same latop hard drives they use in more or less anything with a hard drive these days, and then encase it in a piece of plastic (which just snaps on... no screws or fixings or anything like that) which is all they need to make it a 'proprietary' hard drive and stop you buying one anywhere else.

As of right now, the same laptop hard drive used in the new 360 can be purchased from buy.com for $50. When put in a magical microsoft plastic shell however, it becomes $120.

I like my xbox. I love so many games released for it. I just wish it were made by a different company.

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....in a plastic casing.

So they take the same latop hard drives they use in more or less anything with a hard drive these days, and then encase it in a piece of plastic (which just snaps on... no screws or fixings or anything like that) which is all they need to make it a 'proprietary' hard drive and stop you buying one anywhere else.

As of right now, the same laptop hard drive used in the new 360 can be purchased from buy.com for $50. When put in a magical microsoft plastic shell however, it becomes $120.

I like my xbox. I love so many games released for it. I just wish it were made by a different company.

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so are the HDD's for original 360

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Gotta love Microsoft!
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Well they do have a monopoly on there products ever notice no one can make a "boot legged controller" unless it says "official licensed by MS".
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If you can milk your consumer base without the risk of losing them......why not? Nothing new.
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Gotta love Microsoft!DragonfireXZ95
If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!
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....in a plastic casing.

So they take the same latop hard drives they use in more or less anything with a hard drive these days, and then encase it in a piece of plastic (which just snaps on... no screws or fixings or anything like that) which is all they need to make it a 'proprietary' hard drive and stop you buying one anywhere else.

As of right now, the same laptop hard drive used in the new 360 can be purchased from buy.com for $50. When put in a magical microsoft plastic shell however, it becomes $120.

I like my xbox. I love so many games released for it. I just wish it were made by a different company.

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Thats MS for ya. They really dont care for you, just their money. Thats why you have to buy a 20 dollar charge cable :lol:
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

....in a plastic casing.

So they take the same latop hard drives they use in more or less anything with a hard drive these days, and then encase it in a piece of plastic (which just snaps on... no screws or fixings or anything like that) which is all they need to make it a 'proprietary' hard drive and stop you buying one anywhere else.

As of right now, the same laptop hard drive used in the new 360 can be purchased from buy.com for $50. When put in a magical microsoft plastic shell however, it becomes $120.

I like my xbox. I love so many games released for it. I just wish it were made by a different company.

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so are the HDD's for original 360

Not too sure if it was THAT lazy with the original 360. I mean the hard drive was a lot bigger and a funny shape with the strange connector port to clip it onto the top of the console. I think it was a little more specialized. These are just normal every day laptop drives deliberately altered to stop you buying a cheaper one. :(
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#9 Ninja-Hippo
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Well they do have a monopoly on there products ever notice no one can make a "boot legged controller" unless it says "official licensed by MS".Fightingfan
You cant have a monopoly on your own product. >_>
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Gotta love Microsoft!Ravensmash
If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Problem is as TC said. Basically you cant go grab a 2.5HDD from best buy and upgrade you Xbox HDD, like you can on the PS3. Its very easy to do and much more cost effective for the consumer, but MS seems to think otherwise.
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Gotta love Microsoft!Ravensmash
If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Exactly, that's why I don't own one.
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Gotta love Microsoft!Ravensmash
If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Some might want to upgrade.

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Oh well, what can you do, huh?

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Thats MS for yeah. Milking the consumer. I wonder though is it possible to break off the casing and force your own new hardrive into it.

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[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]
[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Gotta love Microsoft!Ravensmash
If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Problem is as TC said. Basically you cant go grab a 2.5HDD from best buy and upgrade you Xbox HDD, like you can on the PS3. Its very easy to do and much more cost effective for the consumer, but MS seems to think otherwise.

But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Well they do have a monopoly on there products ever notice no one can make a "boot legged controller" unless it says "official licensed by MS".Ninja-Hippo
You cant have a monopoly on your own product. >_>

He used the wrong word. He means their to proprietary for the consumer. Thats how i take it anyways.
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I thought that 360 drives were solid state. If they are, that explains the price.

EDIT: hmmm, maybe not. I have no idea anymore. :P

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.

Most of us said the 20GB hard drive they shipped with at the start of this gen would be fine. Look how that turned out.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Problem is as TC said. Basically you cant go grab a 2.5HDD from best buy and upgrade you Xbox HDD, like you can on the PS3. Its very easy to do and much more cost effective for the consumer, but MS seems to think otherwise.

But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.

Let me put it this way, the fact their not giving you the option is bothersome and really just bad for everyone but MS.
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You can't blame them for locking the system down and overcharging for everything they can overcharge for, Apple has being doing it for years.

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Considering that MS pricing strategy for the different 360 models is based around the size of the HDD, that's to be expected.

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I like their hard drives, it's easy to snap off and snap on to any other console. It sucks they changed it up but I knew they were going to make a new design for their HDD. I'm not holding my breath but it would be nice if you can use the same HDD next gen. I'm glad they at least add a USB way of storing though.

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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"]Problem is as TC said. Basically you cant go grab a 2.5HDD from best buy and upgrade you Xbox HDD, like you can on the PS3. Its very easy to do and much more cost effective for the consumer, but MS seems to think otherwise.Kokuro_Kun
But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.

Let me put it this way, the fact their not giving you the option is bothersome and really just bad for everyone but MS.

Ok, I respect that others may find it annoying - but for me it's really a non issue :)
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I like their hard drives, it's easy to snap off and snap on to any other console. It sucks they changed it up but I knew they were going to make a new design for their HDD. I'm not holding my breath but it would be nice if you can use the same HDD next gen. I'm glad they at least add a USB way of storing though.

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A really weird thing about the new 360 is they've removed the memory unit ports even though the arcade has come with a memory unit since launch. Anyone making the switch from arcade to the new slim is stuck with some plastic paperweights basically.
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640 GB, SATA 3 Gb/s, 8 MB Cache, 5400 RPM

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120 dollars


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You can't blame them for locking the system down and overcharging for everything they can overcharge for, Apple has being doing it for years.

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And people hate Apple for the same reason... Same reason people bring the hate to MS.
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[QUOTE="gago-gago"]

I like their hard drives, it's easy to snap off and snap on to any other console. It sucks they changed it up but I knew they were going to make a new design for their HDD. I'm not holding my breath but it would be nice if you can use the same HDD next gen. I'm glad they at least add a USB way of storing though.

Ninja-Hippo
A really weird thing about the new 360 is they've removed the memory unit ports even though the arcade has come with a memory unit since launch. Anyone making the switch from arcade to the new slim is stuck with some plastic paperweights basically.

Yeah I was using a Memory Unit for my Elite. My gamer profile is saved on it and it made taking my gamer profile and plugging it to other consoles so easily. But I just sold it and got a USB flash drive instead, and using a USB flash drive is way better than their Memory Unit. I think Sony did the same with the Memory Cards. They don't have that on the Slims only with the Fat PS3s I believe. So if anyone switched from Fat to Slim, they're also stuck with some plastic paperweights also.
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Considering that MS pricing strategy for the different 360 models is based around the size of the HDD, that's to be expected.

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Ps3 cost the same amount and have a bluray drive inside yet they still offer the consumer the chance to buy there own hardrives
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.

Let me put it this way, the fact their not giving you the option is bothersome and really just bad for everyone but MS.

Ok, I respect that others may find it annoying - but for me it's really a non issue :)

While im glad for you. Since MS PURPOSELY didn't give me the option. i wont buy one. Simply because they dont want us to put our money anywhere but their products. Even if its not good for the consumer.... Aside from my rant, im glad it worked out for you :D
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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="gago-gago"]

I like their hard drives, it's easy to snap off and snap on to any other console. It sucks they changed it up but I knew they were going to make a new design for their HDD. I'm not holding my breath but it would be nice if you can use the same HDD next gen. I'm glad they at least add a USB way of storing though.

gago-gago
A really weird thing about the new 360 is they've removed the memory unit ports even though the arcade has come with a memory unit since launch. Anyone making the switch from arcade to the new slim is stuck with some plastic paperweights basically.

Yeah I was using a Memory Unit for my Elite. My gamer profile is saved on it and it made taking my gamer profile and plugging it to other consoles so easily. But I just sold it and got a USB flash drive instead, and using a USB flash drive is way better than their Memory Unit. I think Sony did the same with the Memory Cards. They don't have that on the Slims only with the Fat PS3s I believe. So if anyone switched from Fat to Slim, they're also stuck with some plastic paperweights also.

the memory cards where only used on pre 2008 models.
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

Considering that MS pricing strategy for the different 360 models is based around the size of the HDD, that's to be expected.

Respawn-d

Ps3 cost the same amount and have a bluray drive inside yet they still offer the consumer the chance to buy there own hardrives

In the US maybe, last time I checked - 360's were still £50 cheaper than the Slim. Even more so now, no doubt.

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Ps3 cost the same amount and have a bluray drive inside yet they still offer the consumer the chance to buy there own hardrives Respawn-d

That's because Sony love gamers so much.

Now, seriously, it's because a) the PS3is stillmore expensive than the 360, they have tojustify that higher priceas much as they can and b) they're in third place, they can't afford being restrictive.

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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"][QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] A really weird thing about the new 360 is they've removed the memory unit ports even though the arcade has come with a memory unit since launch. Anyone making the switch from arcade to the new slim is stuck with some plastic paperweights basically.

Yeah I was using a Memory Unit for my Elite. My gamer profile is saved on it and it made taking my gamer profile and plugging it to other consoles so easily. But I just sold it and got a USB flash drive instead, and using a USB flash drive is way better than their Memory Unit. I think Sony did the same with the Memory Cards. They don't have that on the Slims only with the Fat PS3s I believe. So if anyone switched from Fat to Slim, they're also stuck with some plastic paperweights also.

the memory cards where only used on pre 2008 models.

I didn't know that. So there were Fat PS3s without a memory card slot?
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Problem is as TC said. Basically you cant go grab a 2.5HDD from best buy and upgrade you Xbox HDD, like you can on the PS3. Its very easy to do and much more cost effective for the consumer, but MS seems to think otherwise.Kokuro_Kun
Well you technically can if you know what you are doing, it is just frowned upon, and against the license agreement.
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But the 250gb drive comes standard with the console (which is selling at the same price as an elite). It's not going to be necessary for the average/majority of consumers to need more than 250gb.Ravensmash

This is the problem.

I'm a serious consumer of content, I buy quite a few games, movies, etc.. in a year. I have the 20gb Xbox 360, and have no intention of paying an outrageous price to get more storage space. Paying $100 to get a new hard drive, or $150 to go to the Xbox 360 slim seems foolish when I can just add more hard drive space to my PC and get *far* better deals on STEAM. A stupidly high price for 250gb or $70 for 1000gb, which makes more sense?

MS has competition, and that competition gives its media-heavy users the option to upgrade. The heaviest users of LIVE will consume more than 250gb of content. What then? Do you force them to pay out the nose for extra hard drives? Why not simply allow them to buy the biggest hard drive available on the market and use it? What's the harm? By locking people into MS' tiny (250gb is nothing for someone downloading full games and HD movies) drives and inflated prices, they discourage people who would otherwise buy more content on LIVE from making those purchases.

Remember, part of the success of services like STEAM comes from people being able to buy on impulse. "Man, Overlord and Overlord II for only $4.50? Why not?". If you have to make them stop and think "okay, how many demos do I need to delete to make room? Do I need to delete those episodes of Lost I downloaded? But wait..." they might not buy it in the first place.

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if the HDD really IS just a laptop drive with a special casing you can expect a work around to it by some modders/hackers within a month or two.

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That's why Microsoft can drop the price of the 360 to $150 and still makes lots of money. $50 a year for online or $25 for two to three months, $100 for Wi-Fi (Older models), $25 charging kits plus all the memory cards they sold so far. Miro$oft strategy is the lots and lots of hidden prices.
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[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Gotta love Microsoft!mysterj

If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!

Some might want to upgrade.

You know its a console right? Before this gen nobody cared about loosing money on extra items but all of a sudden, everyone thinks a console is a pc just waiting to be upgraded.

Heck how about all the memory cards people have laying around from all the last last last gen consoles?? GOD I probably have 1000$ in memory cards. Thats part of the game.

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Bill Gate's wife needs to feed those starving kids in Kenya dude. Don't hate! ;)

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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]Ps3 cost the same amount and have a bluray drive inside yet they still offer the consumer the chance to buy there own hardrives IronBass

That's because Sony love gamers so much.

Now, seriously, it's because a) the PS3is stillmore expensive than the 360, they have tojustify that higher priceas much as they can and b) they're in third place, they can't afford being restrictive.

Third place in sales because they launch the PS3 a whole year after the 360. Sony is not justifying the price. The problem with the PS3 is ignorant people or not well informed ones that doesn't know all the features they have. The first year it didn't had great games and was not well advertised.
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[QUOTE="mysterj"]

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"] If it works and comes with the console...what's the problem?!VanDammFan

Some might want to upgrade.

You know its a console right? Before this gen nobody cared about loosing money on extra items but all of a sudden, everyone thinks a console is a pc just waiting to be upgraded.

Heck how about all the memory cards people have laying around from all the last last last gen consoles?? GOD I probably have 1000$ in memory cards. Thats part of the game.

Well guys its 2010 and consoles are more then just game devices there full entertainment media devices now. They need to be able to have upgradeable memory and the fact that Microsoft is over charging for a product and getting defended just goes to show this board isnt cow land as other factions like to pretend.
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MS are **********terds, they ALWAYS try and rip you off.

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Third place in sales because they launch the PS3 a whole year after the 360. Sony is not justifying the price. The problem with the PS3 is ignorant people or not well informed ones that doesn't know all the features they have. The first year it didn't had great games and was not well advertised.soulreaper-4
Saying that they are in third place was my short way of saying "Sony has lost a lot". Both money and marketshare.
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#46 Origami_Kill3r
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[QUOTE="soulreaper-4"]Third place in sales because they launch the PS3 a whole year after the 360. Sony is not justifying the price. The problem with the PS3 is ignorant people or not well informed ones that doesn't know all the features they have. The first year it didn't had great games and was not well advertised.IronBass
Saying that they are in third place was my short way of saying "Sony has lost a lot". Both money and marketshare.

Which doesn't give Microsoft the right to overcharge consumers. Also ps3 shipped with a standard drive bay FROM LAUNCH ( a time they thought they had won)
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Which doesn't give Microsoft the right to overcharge consumers. Also ps3 shipped with a standard drive bay FROM LAUNCH ( a time they thought they had won) Origami_Kill3r

Actually MS have all the right to charge whatever they want for their products (they fact that they do it kinda proves it).

It's up to the consumer to choose what's the best for him.

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Well the Xbox 360 is a console so you should expect to have proprietary accessories for it. I guess they just want to differentiate from PC gaming. It was only this gen, where a console began to use PC universal 2.5-inch SATA notebook hard disks I believe. You just have to remember these are gaming consoles. I guess MS just wanted to make their hard drive easier to use for their average consumers. You can basically snap on and off their hard drives with ease and no screws to unscrew and such.

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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"][QUOTE="gago-gago"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] A really weird thing about the new 360 is they've removed the memory unit ports even though the arcade has come with a memory unit since launch. Anyone making the switch from arcade to the new slim is stuck with some plastic paperweights basically.

Yeah I was using a Memory Unit for my Elite. My gamer profile is saved on it and it made taking my gamer profile and plugging it to other consoles so easily. But I just sold it and got a USB flash drive instead, and using a USB flash drive is way better than their Memory Unit. I think Sony did the same with the Memory Cards. They don't have that on the Slims only with the Fat PS3s I believe. So if anyone switched from Fat to Slim, they're also stuck with some plastic paperweights also.

the memory cards where only used on pre 2008 models.

PS3 never had dedicated memory cards... ps1 and ps2 did.. PS3 had a memory card reader but it wasn't for gaming mem cards it was for 4 different types of flash cards.. the Sony Memory Stick Pro DUo like in the psp, compact flash, and sd flash (and another type) You know the cards that are used for cameras and video camcorders. High capacity 16gb sized sticks can be used. They took that out of the PS3 with the 40gb. But you can get a Nyko memory stick reader and usb hub for $10. I got mine and it fits right into the bottom usb slot. it makes 3 new usb ports and a large universal mem stick reader in the middle. PS1 and PS2 had dedicated memory cards that were thick and low capacity 1mb and 8mb...ps3 never had dedicated mem cards as they all have dedicated hard drives built in. Removable and replaceable too!!! Gotta love my 320gb for $50!!! :) Here it is, it even fits into the slim (which I now have after selling my xbox loving co-worker my 40gb...guy fell in love with uncharted and FF...lol..) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=NYKO+ps3+usb+hub&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&cid=15688574755476544022&ei=wi8kTJ7FK8OclwfwgrTnDw&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p