Microsoft took no risks this gen with the 360

The 360 is nothing more than a more powerful and refined xbox(Please No RROD comments). They took all the good aspects of the aspects of the xbox and just made it better. They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

Am I saying the 360 is a terrible console? No, but I am saying since basically the other two consoles have something unique about it the 360 just seems dull in comparison.I guess this is what happens when your the first console out on the market.

I agree. They did nothing new w/ the 360. Just added a more powerful processor and GPU, and took out standard HDD. And improved XBL.

The Wii got a new controller and the PS3 on the other hand got Blu-Ray. The wii is paying off now, while the PS3 is still TBD

and everyone buysa VIDEO GAMES CONSOLE for games right? well 360 has the most quality games so why does uniqueness matter
sorry couldnt edit my previous msg

You don't always have to take a risk to make a good product.

I think that MS made a huge risk entering the console world with the Xbox and then they played it a bit safer with the 360 to focus on becoming profitable.

I'm glad they didn't take any risks.

Do I want motion sensing? No. If I wanted to move my hands around while playing a game, I would PC game.

Do I want a high def. movie player? Not really, movies look amazing on my upconverter.

I can't imagine being happier with my 360 (well, it would have been nice had I not gotten the RROD once). It has a ton of great games, and that is all I want out of my video game console.

what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?mingo123

what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?mingo123

SixAxis does not ruin games if the developers actually take the time to use it right. R&C uses it quite well.

You don't always have to take a risk to make a good product.

I think that MS made a huge risk entering the console world with the Xbox and then they played it a bit safer with the 360 to focus on becoming profitable.

SpruceCaboose

They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

too_much_eslim

SNES was a better, more refined NES. Genesis was just a more better, more refined SMS. GBA was just a better, more refined Gameboy. All great systems. See where I'm going with this?

So the 360 is just a better more refined Xbox. Thats exactly what I expected and thats what I got. The hardware doesn't have to be innovative. I'm having plenty of fun without gimmicky controllers, touch screens or HD movies.

and everyone buysa VIDEO GAMES CONSOLE for games right? well 360 has the most quality games so why does uniqueness matter
sorry couldnt edit my previous msg

mingo123

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

You don't always have to take a risk to make a good product.

I think that MS made a huge risk entering the console world with the Xbox and then they played it a bit safer with the 360 to focus on becoming profitable.

too_much_eslim

What purpose would that serve? There was no reason to take a risk. Nintendo took a risk, and it paid off in terms of sales, but I cannot say that I have benefited from their stance, since I would prefer more "real" games than more fitness/brain/casual games from Nintendo.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]

and everyone buysa VIDEO GAMES CONSOLE for games right? well 360 has the most quality games so why does uniqueness matter
sorry couldnt edit my previous msg

too_much_eslim

nah its ok as it is

That was good enough for me, I've had a blast playing 360 titles for almost two years now.

Sony took some risks and consumers ended up with a second (or third)rate game console, other than a few bright spots like Warhawk mine has just sat there and been used as a dvd player.

Throwing together a a bunch of leftover crappy off the shelf unreliable pc parts has ended up giving me hundreds of hours of entertainment.

How is that so wrong? the only thing I wanted was games, not a supercomputer that is great at playing movies and putting my vacation photos into interesting slide show while being the worlds slowest internet browser.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?too_much_eslim

The CELL? Thats an example of an innovative thing Sony did this gen? Hows that? How is the Cell any more innovative than any other processor.

Anyways, I guess you're right in that they didn't add anything drastically different this gen but it didn't matter because it has better games and many of the things added to the PS3 are holding it back.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

Corvin

SNES was a better, more refined NES. Genesis was just a more better, more refined SMS. GBA was just a better, more refined Gameboy. All great systems. See where I'm going with this?

So the 360 is just a better more refined Xbox. Thats exactly what I expected and thats what I got. The hardware doesn't have to be innovative. I'm having plenty of fun without gimmicky controllers, touch screens or HD movies.

The SNES introduced shoulder buttons so that's a bad example. Gimmicky controllers? Was the analog stick gimmicky? No. Andnow that the Wii is such a success, it's obvious there will be motion controls for every next gen console. Things have to evolve and with evolution comes change; I don't want to be playing video games with a carbon copy of the 360 controller in 20 years.

I've been somewhat content with my 360. Alot of the games don't appeal to me, the only thing that might make me keep my 360 is if Mass Effect exceeds my expectations. I'm alright with multiplats performing better on the 360, it doesnt bother me considering the only multiplat games I ever played on my PS2 were Madden and GTA. Everything else was exclusive.

They took risks trying to appeal to PS2 owners by bringing in JRPGs and other japanese games. It hasn't worked out as you can see from Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and others. That risk got me and other PS2 owners to buy a 360, but for me it's just not enough.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

You don't always have to take a risk to make a good product.

I think that MS made a huge risk entering the console world with the Xbox and then they played it a bit safer with the 360 to focus on becoming profitable.

SpruceCaboose

What purpose would that serve? There was no reason to take a risk. Nintendo took a risk, and it paid off in terms of sales, but I cannot say that I have benefited from their stance, since I would prefer more "real" games than more fitness/brain/casual games from Nintendo.

I've been somewhat content with my 360. Alot of the games don't appeal to me, the only thing that might make me keep my 360 is if Mass Effect exceeds my expectations. I'm alright with multiplats performing better on the 360, it doesnt bother me considering the only multiplat games I ever played on my PS2 were Madden and GTA. Everything else was exclusive.

They took risks trying to appeal to PS2 owners by bringing in JRPGs and other japanese games. It hasn't worked out as you can see from Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata and others. That risk got me and other PS2 owners to buy a 360, but for me it's just not enough.

xDonRobx

It would show that they are trying to push gaming forward. Allow things that just couldn't be done last gen.too_much_eslim

FEAR and its AI couldn't be done last generation, among many, many other things.

[QUOTE="Corvin"][QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

slothboyadvance

SNES was a better, more refined NES. Genesis was just a more better, more refined SMS. GBA was just a better, more refined Gameboy. All great systems. See where I'm going with this?

So the 360 is just a better more refined Xbox. Thats exactly what I expected and thats what I got. The hardware doesn't have to be innovative. I'm having plenty of fun without gimmicky controllers, touch screens or HD movies.

The SNES introduced shoulder buttons so that's a bad example. Gimmicky controllers? Was the analog stick gimmicky? No. Andnow that the Wii is such a success, it's obvious there will be motion controls for every next gen console. Things have to evolve and with evolution comes change; I don't want to be playing video games with a carbon copy of the 360 controller in 20 years.

I would consider adding shoulder buttons a refinement, just as the home button on the 360 or the fact that a wireless controller is standard a refinement. It was still basically a more powerful NES.

When analog sticks were brand-new, decades ago, I'm sure someone probably thought they were gimmicky. Of course back then there wasn't much to compare it to, games in general were gimmicky.

20 years from now, yeah, maybe. Right now I am not impressed with the motion controls. I'll be more interested in the Wii when they make it "better, more refined". :P

i think he speaks of how powerfull it is.

what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?mingo123

Sure they did.

The gambled with a cheap, poorly put together system.

And ****, did they lose that gamble.

The 360 is nothing more than a more powerful and refined xbox(Please No RROD comments). They took all the good aspects of the aspects of the xbox and just made it better. They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

Am I saying the 360 is a terrible console? No, but I am saying since basically the other two consoles have something unique about it the 360 just seems dull in comparison.I guess this is what happens when your the first console out on the market.

too_much_eslim

I'd say coming out with 2 models of the 360 was a risk but hey what do i know right

what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?mingo123

uniform online service, sixaxis, standard HDD, and blu-ray

The 360 is nothing more than a more powerful and refined xbox(Please No RROD comments). They took all the good aspects of the aspects of the xbox and just made it better. They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

Am I saying the 360 is a terrible console? No, but I am saying since basically the other two consoles have something unique about it the 360 just seems dull in comparison.I guess this is what happens when your the first console out on the market.

too_much_eslim

Releasing the system itself was a risk. In fact, me typing this is risk because, I could get shocked and die, smarts.

yeah that sixaxis controller is hillarious hahaha...the analog stick is so lose and it's hard to move.

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]

They didn't add anything to the 360 to make it unique from all the other consoles. Xbox live was here last gen and all they did was make it better and more refine.

Corvin

SNES was a better, more refined NES. Genesis was just a more better, more refined SMS. GBA was just a better, more refined Gameboy. All great systems. See where I'm going with this?

So the 360 is just a better more refined Xbox. Thats exactly what I expected and thats what I got. The hardware doesn't have to be innovative. I'm having plenty of fun without gimmicky controllers, touch screens or HD movies.

[QUOTE="mingo123"]what makes ps3 more unique then ps2? Sixaxis :lol: the feature that actually RUINS the game?mattyomo99

uniform online service, sixaxis, standard HDD, and blu-ray

What do you mean "uniform online service"? PSN is hands down the worst of the lot. Sixaxis???? Nintendo had the Wii mote before Sony ever thought of the Sixaxis. Standard HDD...umm the original XBOX has the HDD standard. BR you say? Everyone knows they added BR simply to push there movie format. They care more about BR movies than they do about PS3.

i do agree with the TC. the 360 is a vastly more powerful, and refined, XBOX1. everything the Xbox 1 could do, the 360 can do better but its basically the next logical step that one would expect from a change in gen really. they didnt do anything exceptional or different. its all enhanced but theres not much new there. for its time, the XBOX1 was a far more ambitious console imho.

however the PS3 is pretty much in the same boat. vastly more powerful than PS2, same controller (with tilting instead of rumble until sony release the replacement controller), enhanced online multiplayer yada yada yada. blu-ray could be considerd a risk but thats there for reasons that have nothing to do with games and the cell was under development at sony HQ anyway. inclusion of a HDD is not a risk at all since the xbox1 did it before and it proved popular with the punters. again its a logical step that does very little to break tradition.

the only risky ventures recently have been the wii and DS imho. its easy to say, with hindsight, that wii and DS are not risks since they are huge successes and are raking in crap loads of money for ninty. but before the DS was released, it was pretty much written off and PSP was assumed to be the future handheld leader. the idea of the DS (2 screens, touch screen, microphone in one handheld) sounded like ninty had just gone bonkers and were desperate (and maybe they were). even the media were writing it off before its launch. then theres the wii. nintendo took the rules of what a next gen console should be, and completly chucked them out the window. they then took conventional controller design and kicked it out the door. they then proceeded to do their own thing. very risky. the market could just have easily rejected both platforms because there so different.