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Following Microsoft's laughably disappointing E3 showing earlier this year, which was focussed mostly on the Kincet, and the plethora of casual games the motion sensing peripheral would be getting, there have been many who have oiced fears that Microsoft too, like Nintendo, might shift their focus to the casual market. Microsoft, however, insists that these fears are unfounded, and that Microsoft will never neglect the hardcore.

In fact, the firm has even given us a release date as to when we can expect more hardcore games from them, although this last assertion should be taken with a pinch of salt, since these 'hardcore' games will be Kinect games. Xbox EMEA boss Chris Lewis believes that hardcore Kinect games are coming within the next 18 months, and that, though the launch of the Kinect may mean that Microsoft will briefly be concentrating on casual gaming and casual gamers, it does not mean that Microsoft is abandoning the core market.

"Certainly over the launch phase and this Christmas in particular I think you'll see very much pure Kinect for 360 experiences that will appeal to the broad young/older/female/family audiences I described earlier," he said.

"I'll say again, at the risk of sounding like a cracked record, that doesn't in any way, shape or form represent us stepping away from the core - which is why, during the press conference at E3 for example, we spent a good solid chunk of time around Halo Reach, Gears of War and Fable. And there will be more coming from us, and our third party partners.

"Willwe see more of these hybrid experiences coming, where you can complement what might ostensibly be a controller-based experience with gestures, voice and physical movement? Yes, I think that will come. I think there's an overlap there, a logical and a good one.

"Again, without compromising on the experience, making sure it's incremental and generally advantageous to the experience, then you'll see those types of experiences coming over time. And therefore I think all of the different types of gaming experiences you describe will become available over the coming 18 months or so."

That's all well and good, Microsoft, but why can't we just have good old fashioned controller based hardcore games? You know, the stuff your console is actually good at?

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Well, okay. If you say so. I give two hoots about Kinect, though, MS, so why don't you just cough up some more awesomeness like Halo and Fable? Why do you have to concentrate on a market that's already saturated?

I'm sorry, but unless you announce more 360 exclusives, I refuse to believe that your focus is still on the core market.

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That's nice. But with with the time and money they spend on Kinect, and will further spend, they could have made some awesome 360 games.

I am disappoint.

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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

That's nice. But with with the time and money they spend on Kinect, and will further spend, they could have made some awesome 360 games.

I am disappoint.

Yeah, I know. How about some new IP's, Microsoft? Halo, Fable and Gears can only sustain a company's lineup for so long, ya know. Incidentally, what's that second game in your sig? It's Fable 3, right?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

That's nice. But with with the time and money they spend on Kinect, and will further spend, they could have made some awesome 360 games.

I am disappoint.

Yeah, I know. How about some new IP's, Microsoft? Halo, Fable and Gears can only sustain a company's lineup for so long, ya know. Incidentally, what's that second game in your sig? It's Fable 3, right?

Indeed, that Crytek exclusive game is a start, but what is Microsoft Game Studios doing? Rare is wasted on Kinect too! And yeah, that's Fable 3 in my sig.
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

That's nice. But with with the time and money they spend on Kinect, and will further spend, they could have made some awesome 360 games.

I am disappoint.

Yeah, I know. How about some new IP's, Microsoft? Halo, Fable and Gears can only sustain a company's lineup for so long, ya know. Incidentally, what's that second game in your sig? It's Fable 3, right?

Indeed, that Crytek exclusive game is a start, but what is Microsoft Game Studios doing? Rare is wasted on Kinect too! And yeah, that's Fable 3 in my sig.

Well, Microsoft very nicely killed almost half of its first party, and the remaining half's been allocated to Kinect. Talk about a waste of talent. Although yes, that Crytek game looks promising, like you said. If only we knew more about it...
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

That's nice. But with with the time and money they spend on Kinect, and will further spend, they could have made some awesome 360 games.

I am disappoint.

charizard1605

Yeah, I know. How about some new IP's, Microsoft? Halo, Fable and Gears can only sustain a company's lineup for so long, ya know. Incidentally, what's that second game in your sig? It's Fable 3, right?

I agree, perhaps if Kinect doesn't do so well, they will shift back to their main market again.

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I wonder by "never abandon" do they mean "well 3rd party games will still come so..." Don't see a whole lot coming from 1st party.
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Kinect is core.. the games shown so far.. not so much. :P

Yeah, i think they will rely mostly on third party to provide most of the hardcore games this year and maybe next year as well.

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I remember when the ps3 first came out. Should I buy one $600 system, or two systems for $650. The latter being referred to as the Wii60. I never expected this term would become such a literal moniker.

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#10 Mograine
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Microsoft abandoned hardcore gamers long ago.

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Microsoft abandoned hardcore gamers long ago.

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Really? When was that?
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I remember when the ps3 first came out. Should I buy one $600 system, or two systems for $650. The latter being referred to as the Wii60. I never expected this term would become such a literal moniker.

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Lmao. So true.
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Yeah, I know. How about some new IP's, Microsoft? Halo, Fable and Gears can only sustain a company's lineup for so long, ya know. Incidentally, what's that second game in your sig? It's Fable 3, right?charizard1605
Microsoft would leave the core gaming market in an instant if the money moved elsewhere. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are all the same greed-fuelled businesses, and I pity their fanboys for actually believing that these companies are doing anything other than milking them for all they're worth.
I agree, perhaps if Kinect doesn't do so well, they will shift back to their main market again.SolidTy
Of course, yet the Microsoft fanboys will still rush back to donate their money to Microsoft and its shareholders.
Although yes, that Crytek game looks promising, like you said. If only we knew more about it...charizard1605
Crytek are already succumbing to the casual gaming lure. Crysis 2 is going to be an incredibly simplified and casual-based game, being nothing in comparison to the original Crysis.
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Crytek are already succumbing to the casual gaming lure. Crysis 2 is going to be an incredibly simplified and casual-based game, being nothing in comparison to the original Crysis.CentricStorm
The rest of your quotes I can even agree with, but I fail to see how you can possibly pass such a statement on a game that hasn't even been released yet.
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[QUOTE="Mograine"]

Microsoft abandoned hardcore gamers long ago.

charizard1605

Really? When was that?

When they started pushing their own console trying to get gamers off their PCs, and started applying the infamous "Horse armor" mentality.

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[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

Microsoft abandoned hardcore gamers long ago.

Really? When was that?

When they started pushing their own console trying to get gamers off their PCs, and started applying the infamous "Horse armor" mentality.

The 'horse armour' was Bethesda, not MS. And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?
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[QUOTE="Mograine"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Mograine"]

Microsoft abandoned hardcore gamers long ago.

Really? When was that?

When they started pushing their own console trying to get gamers off their PCs, and started applying the infamous "Horse armor" mentality.

Exactly.
And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?charizard1605
Implying? It's factual.
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The 'horse armour' was Bethesda, not MS. And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?charizard1605

...

*The* horse armor was Bethesda. I specified the horse armor MENTALITY.

And no. That was not my point, although it is true to an extent.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?CentricStorm
Implying? It's factual.

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?charizard1605
Implying? It's factual.

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.

No.

You are the one who needs to wake up if you can even remotely think of comparing the two platforms. Especially when talking of the 360.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]The 'horse armour' was Bethesda, not MS. And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?Mograine

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*The* horse armor was Bethesda. I specified the horse armor MENTALITY.

And no. That was not my point, although it is true to an extent.

Microsoft only opened the gates to DLC, to retroactive game patching and more. That's the kind of stuff that's been native to PC gaming for years. Wouldn't you rather say that MS moved console gaming closer to PC gaming?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="CentricStorm"] Implying? It's factual.Mograine

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.

No.

You are the one who needs to wake up if you can even remotely think of comparing the two platforms. Especially when talking of the 360.

I'm not comparing anything, the two are miles apart. All I'm saying is that PC gamers have an unwarranted chip on their shoulder, if they think that console gaming is any inferior to PC gaming.
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Microsoft only opened the gates to DLC, to retroactive game patching and more. That's the kind of stuff that's been native to PC gaming for years. Wouldn't you rather say that MS moved console gaming closer to PC gaming?charizard1605

I'd rather say that Microsoft moved console gamers to accept the idea of getting their wallets shafted and their boxes filled with games made incomplete on purpose.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Microsoft only opened the gates to DLC, to retroactive game patching and more. That's the kind of stuff that's been native to PC gaming for years. Wouldn't you rather say that MS moved console gaming closer to PC gaming?Mograine

I'd rather say that Microsoft moved console gamers to accept the idea of getting their wallets shafted and their boxes filled with games made incomplete on purpose.

Wouldn't you say the same culture existed, though to a much lesser exent, on PC as well
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I'm not comparing anything, the two are miles apart. All I'm saying is that PC gamers have an unwarranted chip on their shoulder, if they think that console gaming is any inferior to PC gaming.charizard1605

Talking of "hardcore"-ness, it is. Radically. There's no denying that - the very fact that we have the terms "hermit" and "lemming" says a lot about it.

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Following Microsoft's laughably disappointing E3 showing earlier this year, which was focussed mostly on the Kincet............

That's all well and good, Microsoft, but why can't we just have good old fashioned controller based hardcore games? You know, the stuff your console is actually good at?

SOURCE

Well, okay. If you say so. I give two hoots about Kinect, though, MS, so why don't you just cough up some more awesomeness like Halo and Fable? Why do you have to concentrate on a market that's already saturated?

I'm sorry, but unless you announce more 360 exclusives, I refuse to believe that your focus is still on the core market.

charizard1605

There are no less 360 games coming out now than there has been in the past. They are developing Halo and Fable games, both of which are coming out this fall.

And this is such a redundant topic. Why would they abandon 40 million gamers that are currently driving the software sales of the HD market and making them a fortune?

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Wouldn't you say the same culture existed, though to a much lesser exent, on PC as wellcharizard1605

Ridiculous.

Point me to *one* relevant example of DLC that happened before 2006.

edit: Paid DLC, that is. PC gamers have had it for free for ages.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I'm not comparing anything, the two are miles apart. All I'm saying is that PC gamers have an unwarranted chip on their shoulder, if they think that console gaming is any inferior to PC gaming.Mograine

Talking of "hardcore"-ness, it is. Radically. There's no denying that - the very fact that we have the terms "hermit" and "lemming" says a lot about it.

If hardcoreness is equated to technical know how and the like, then yes, I will readily concede you are correct. PC gaming has stuff like game mods, which require expertise, AND there's the fact that PC gamers forever need to keep apace of the latest technology. In that sense, PC gaming is indeed more hardcore.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Wouldn't you say the same culture existed, though to a much lesser exent, on PC as wellMograine

Ridiculous.

Point me to *one* relevant example of DLC that happened before 2006.

edit: Paid DLC, that is. PC gamers have had it for free for ages.

There isn't. I see what you mean. All I can assume is that Microsoft meant well, and never meant there to be a horse armour culture, which DLC eventually degenrated into.
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Of course they won't. They will continue to pump out great games just like they have been throughout this gen.

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[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Following Microsoft's laughably disappointing E3 showing earlier this year, which was focussed mostly on the Kincet............

That's all well and good, Microsoft, but why can't we just have good old fashioned controller based hardcore games? You know, the stuff your console is actually good at?

SOURCE

Well, okay. If you say so. I give two hoots about Kinect, though, MS, so why don't you just cough up some more awesomeness like Halo and Fable? Why do you have to concentrate on a market that's already saturated?

I'm sorry, but unless you announce more 360 exclusives, I refuse to believe that your focus is still on the core market.

There are no less 360 games coming out now than there has been in the past. They are developing Halo and Fable games, both of which are coming out this fall.

And this is such a redundant topic. Why would they abandon 40 million gamers that are currently driving the software sales of the HD market and making them a fortune?

Why only Halo and Fable? Why can't we have something more? Other consoles are getting exclusives by the bucketloads. Why can't I demand more exclusives for my console, then?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="CentricStorm"] Implying? It's factual.Mograine

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.

No.

You are the one who needs to wake up if you can even remotely think of comparing the two platforms. Especially when talking of the 360.

Why especially when talking of the 360? The Xbox franchise was built on a large number of PC games, including its biggest, Halo. Between the 3 I'm pretty sure the 360 is in fact closest to the PC.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Microsoft only opened the gates to DLC, to retroactive game patching and more. That's the kind of stuff that's been native to PC gaming for years. Wouldn't you rather say that MS moved console gaming closer to PC gaming?Mograine

I'd rather say that Microsoft moved console gamers to accept the idea of getting their wallets shafted and their boxes filled with games made incomplete on purpose.

Is it just me or does it seem like since DLC became "Popular" Knowone makes expansions anymore?

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[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Following Microsoft's laughably disappointing E3 showing earlier this year, which was focussed mostly on the Kincet............

That's all well and good, Microsoft, but why can't we just have good old fashioned controller based hardcore games? You know, the stuff your console is actually good at?

SOURCE

Well, okay. If you say so. I give two hoots about Kinect, though, MS, so why don't you just cough up some more awesomeness like Halo and Fable? Why do you have to concentrate on a market that's already saturated?

I'm sorry, but unless you announce more 360 exclusives, I refuse to believe that your focus is still on the core market.

charizard1605

There are no less 360 games coming out now than there has been in the past. They are developing Halo and Fable games, both of which are coming out this fall.

And this is such a redundant topic. Why would they abandon 40 million gamers that are currently driving the software sales of the HD market and making them a fortune?

Why only Halo and Fable? Why can't we have something more? Other consoles are getting exclusives by the bucketloads. Why can't I demand more exclusives for my console, then?

Why do you pretend like there is ONLY Halo and Fable? And "bucketloads"? Really?

And you can demand it all you want. And why exactly does it matter so much if a game is exclusive or not? Shouldn't we just demand a bunch of AAA games instead from everyone? I mean if you already own a 360 them I'm sure you had already found something to justify the purchase. If you are finding that the other consoles are getting more exclusives and you are interested in them, why not either sell your 360 and buy that one, or purchase that one as well?

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[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

There are no less 360 games coming out now than there has been in the past. They are developing Halo and Fable games, both of which are coming out this fall.

And this is such a redundant topic. Why would they abandon 40 million gamers that are currently driving the software sales of the HD market and making them a fortune?

Why only Halo and Fable? Why can't we have something more? Other consoles are getting exclusives by the bucketloads. Why can't I demand more exclusives for my console, then?

Why do you pretend like there is ONLY Halo and Fable? And "bucketloads"? Really?

And you can demand it all you want. And why exactly does it matter so much if a game is exclusive or not? Shouldn't we just demand a bunch of AAA games instead from everyone? I mean if you already own a 360 them I'm sure you had already found something to justify the purchase. If you are finding that the other consoles are getting more exclusives and you are interested in them, why not either sell your 360 and buy that one, or purchase that one as well?

What else is there? There's Gears of War 3, yes. And? We know of no other title, do we? I don't care at all if a game is exclusive myself. However, the number of exclusives a console is getting is an indication of the console manufacturer's dedication and commitment to the system. There being a very low number of Xbox exclusive titles gives off the impression that Microsoft has simply lost interest.
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Why especially when talking of the 360? The Xbox franchise was built on a large number of PC games, including its biggest, Halo. Between the 3 I'm pretty sure the 360 is in fact closest to the PC.

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It is. However, the few similarities it has as legacy of the original mentality it was built with are irrelevant.

Microsoft turned the 360 into a console for people who just wants to sit in front of the TV to waste time. Those who actually have a 360 for playing games are almost a niche. Not that the other two are very different, I'm talking about past generations.

Is it just me or does it seem like since DLC became "Popular" Knowone makes expansions anymore?mattisgod01

Yes, although I wouldn't give DLC itself the blame for this. Developers themselves decided not to make expansion packs when they chose to make mainly multiplayer games, that this generation have flooded all over the market. We can still see expansions to a lot of PC centric games.

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#37 CentricStorm
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?charizard1605
Implying? It's factual.

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.

Hardcore normally means - in the case of singleplayer titles - massively in-depth and more advanced/difficult, whilst in the case of multiplayer games, hardcore usually refers to having a significantly large skill gap between new and veteran players. Most console games are completely contrary to this, with many singleplayer games becoming incredibly simplified, and many multiplayer games on consoles being designed for casual players, with assistance (auto aim), significant simplification (basic game modes), and the removal of skill requirement (less recoil, lower bullet spread, slower pace).
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#38 mattisgod01
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[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

Following Microsoft's laughably disappointing E3 showing earlier this year, which was focussed mostly on the Kincet............

That's all well and good, Microsoft, but why can't we just have good old fashioned controller based hardcore games? You know, the stuff your console is actually good at?

SOURCE

Well, okay. If you say so. I give two hoots about Kinect, though, MS, so why don't you just cough up some more awesomeness like Halo and Fable? Why do you have to concentrate on a market that's already saturated?

I'm sorry, but unless you announce more 360 exclusives, I refuse to believe that your focus is still on the core market.

charizard1605

There are no less 360 games coming out now than there has been in the past. They are developing Halo and Fable games, both of which are coming out this fall.

And this is such a redundant topic. Why would they abandon 40 million gamers that are currently driving the software sales of the HD market and making them a fortune?

Why only Halo and Fable? Why can't we have something more? Other consoles are getting exclusives by the bucketloads. Why can't I demand more exclusives for my console, then?

Whats your obsession with exclusives? I don't understand why people even care what platform games are on. Aslong as i have a platform to play them then i couldn't care less if they where on the others. Maybe i'm not good at this whole system wars thing...

Also just my 2 cents, I think the casual market is all well and good but at the end of the day its the hardcore gamers that demand quality games, If we allow Developers to sell us sub par games and still make profits then we will send the game industry down the same road as the movie industry. Movies these days don't have to be good they just have to be based on something popular and have a flashy trailer and they will make money. Is that what we really want?

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#39 alexwatchtower
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[QUOTE="alexwatchtower"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Why only Halo and Fable? Why can't we have something more? Other consoles are getting exclusives by the bucketloads. Why can't I demand more exclusives for my console, then?charizard1605

Why do you pretend like there is ONLY Halo and Fable? And "bucketloads"? Really?

And you can demand it all you want. And why exactly does it matter so much if a game is exclusive or not? Shouldn't we just demand a bunch of AAA games instead from everyone? I mean if you already own a 360 them I'm sure you had already found something to justify the purchase. If you are finding that the other consoles are getting more exclusives and you are interested in them, why not either sell your 360 and buy that one, or purchase that one as well?

What else is there? There's Gears of War 3, yes. And? We know of no other title, do we? I don't care at all if a game is exclusive myself. However, the number of exclusives a console is getting is an indication of the console manufacturer's dedication and commitment to the system. There being a very low number of Xbox exclusive titles gives off the impression that Microsoft has simply lost interest.

Yes, Microsoft has lost interest in making money. You do realize they have JUST re-designed the 360 right and are treating this as a re-launch?

Microsoft hasn't been making as many exclusives this entire generation but the ones that they do put out have been of very high quality, so it has nothing to do with dedication.

For now Halo, GoW, Fable are still selling like crazy and until these franchises start dying down don't expect them to spend a ton of money making a whole bunch of games that may not be as high in quality just so you can feel better about having exclusives. Exclusives are more important when a console is an underdog, behind on sales, at launch when launching a product.....NOT when you have a 40 million gamer user base and the entire development community making games for them.

And that's not that I would not mind seeing more original titles myself. I agree in that I wish they would introduce more new high budget, high quality IP'S....but let's not relate that into something else.

I think Microsoft is doing the right thing being in the position of the leader of the HD market. I'm sure the last thing they want to do is dominate their own sales charts and start a competition between themselves and third party developers. That's an easy way to make third party developers a lot more interested in the PS3. They have to strike a good balance between cashing in on a few big releases of their own a year, and leaving a fair share for the others, while concentrating on making money through royalty fees, Xbox Live, and now...expanding their market.

That will ensure continued third party developer support in the future WITHOUT them having to spend a ton of money on exclusives.

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#40 locopatho
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Microsoft only opened the gates to DLC, to retroactive game patching and more. That's the kind of stuff that's been native to PC gaming for years. Wouldn't you rather say that MS moved console gaming closer to PC gaming?Mograine

I'd rather say that Microsoft moved console gamers to accept the idea of getting their wallets shafted and their boxes filled with games made incomplete on purpose.

Yeah playing Neverwinter Nights on PC, on the character creation screen there was a load of awesome looking options greyed out, with a little message if you hover them "Buy such and such a Premium Module to unlock this feature!" Stop being such a douche, PC gaming has tons of subscriptions and DLC too.
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#41 qazadex
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How the hell can you sell they will never abandon them? With all this crap they've done to PC gamers, such stopping us from getting Alan Wake, Halo 3 (Halo started on PC) and heaps of other games that they have bought.

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#42 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="CentricStorm"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]And are you implying that console gaming is casual gaming?charizard1605
Implying? It's factual.

Uh huh. So THIS is the PC gamers' elitism that everyone refers to... I'm sorry bud, but wake up: console gaming is as hardcore (whatever that even means) as PC gaming.

He's just upset that StarCraft 2 is not longer exclusive. The Mac fanboys are lol'ing.
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#43 these_nuts
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That's good. Nintendo never abandoned hardcore gamers either.

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#44 mgsbethatgame
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really (stops and looks at E3 2010) could have fooled me
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#45 lundy86_4
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He's just upset that StarCraft 2 is not longer exclusive. The Mac fanboys are lol'ing.SaltyMeatballs

You're on a roll, eh Salty? ;)

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#46 Filthybastrd
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Actually console gaming is casual. All you do is plug it into your tv and you're ready to go. Sounds casual to me.

Edit: And SC2 is pc excusive. Other than the OS, they're just overpriced pc's. There's nothing preventing you from formatting them and installing windows. Sure Apple made some anti pc commercials but that was to promote their brand and as such they were misinformative.

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#47 lundy86_4
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Actually console gaming is casual. All you do is plug it into your tv and you're ready to go. Sounds casual to me.

Filthybastrd

So plugging something in makes it casual now?

:?

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#48 ManicAce
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Like any other company, they go where the money is.

Microsoft Game Studios used to be one of the biggest PC game publishers around. It's only after the PS1's success that they went after the console gamers. They still made PC games too, but the focus was on Xbox. As it proved succesful, eventually more and more of the resources were shifted to Xbox development, until few years ago PC gamers were effectively abandoned by Microsoft.

As they say, history tends to repeat itself.

Microsoft Game Studios is now one of the biggest Xbox 360 publishers around. It's only after the Wii's success that they are going after the non-gamers. They still make traditional 360 games too, but the focus has already been shifted to Kinect. Time will tell how succesful it will be.

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#49 Filthybastrd
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Actually console gaming is casual. All you do is plug it into your tv and you're ready to go. Sounds casual to me.

lundy86_4

So plugging something in makes it casual now?

:?

No it does not.

Requireing little dedication, effort and insight to use effectively does however. That's not to say that console games necessarily are so.

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#50 lundy86_4
Member since 2003 • 62038 Posts

No it does not.

Requireing little dedication, effort and insight to use effectively does however. That's not to say that console games necessarily are so.

Filthybastrd

I don't see how simplicity = casual. So you're calling the consoles, without the games casual? I don't see how that makes much sense, considering we are talking in terms of "casual gamers", of which, how can you be a casual gamer if you don't game?

Genuinely confused here.