Microsoft wouldn't allow Users to Create and Share Content like in LBP

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#1 Gamer4535
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"Microsoft wouldn't allow Users to Create and Share Content like in LBP"

That's a phrase thrown around quite a bit, ay?

This guy wants to talk w/ you. It's a bit messy, but its going to have an overhaul soon.

http://www.bungie.net/Forums/default.aspx?mode=halo3

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#2 DeadSpaceXIII
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So your point is?
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#3 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Who cares? LBP looks terrible.
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#4 Dr_Snood
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They are letting us do it in Halo 3.

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#5 hopesfall2own
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I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it.
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#6 locopatho
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They let me make my own games and play them on my 360 :shock:

The bastards!

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#7 JLF1
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Why wouldn't they?

It's not like LBP has mods or anything. Everything you create in LBP is from the game, you don't download some strange third party content.
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#8 JLF1
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I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

Like?
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#9 Thewbacca
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What the hell are you talking about?

The ability to share custom maps with tiny variation is not comparable to LBP. Thats like saying that because a human being can suvive a cut on their leg, they can survive having their head amputated.

And anyway, the poiunt remains that M$ would try to charge for the sharing of content.

And it remains that the 360 is too crap to be able to handle the game, so its a moot point.

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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. JLF1

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you don't think someone will make something that infringes copyright laws in that game, ever? They are already using Halo 3 music in the game, are they even allowed to do that?
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What the hell are you talking about?

The ability to share custom maps with tiny variation is not comparable to LBP. Thats like saying that because a human being can suvive a cut on their leg, they can survive having their head amputated.

And anyway, the poiunt remains that M$ would try to charge for the sharing of content.

And it remains that the 360 is too crap to be able to handle the game, so its a moot point.

Thewbacca

LOL, what a terrible analogy. All the other crap you just spluttered out was just the icing on the cake.

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#12 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

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you don't think someone will make something that infringes copyright laws in that game, ever? They are already using Halo 3 music in the game, are they even allowed to do that?


Modders have done that in years yet they seem to be fine.
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#13 hopesfall2own
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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. JLF1

Like?

you don't think someone will make something that infringes copyright laws in that game, ever? They are already using Halo 3 music in the game, are they even allowed to do that?


Modders have done that in years yet they seem to be fine.

modding isn't a retail game however..
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#14 mephisto_11
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i dont think its necessarily a bad thing. all the user created content on consoles i've seen so far look very underwhelming.

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#15 lawlessx
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What the hell are you talking about?

The ability to share custom maps with tiny variation is not comparable to LBP. Thats like saying that because a human being can suvive a cut on their leg, they can survive having their head amputated.

And anyway, the poiunt remains that M$ would try to charge for the sharing of content.

And it remains that the 360 is too crap to be able to handle the game, so its a moot point.

Thewbacca

so explain why sharing the maps in halo3 are free.

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#16 soiheardyoulike
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They let me make my own games and play them on my 360 :shock:

The bastards!

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Xna might alow you to do that buh...buh...do they have sackboy?

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#17 JLF1
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I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..hopesfall2own

I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.
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#18 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..JLF1

I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.

i think microsoft allowed that

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#19 JLF1
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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..lawlessx


I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.

i think microsoft allowed that



On the PS3?
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#20 Giancar
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I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

fanboys don't know how to bash games these days :roll:

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#21 Shafftehr
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Halo 3 has an editor... The new Banjo allows for
[QUOTE="Thewbacca"]

What the hell are you talking about?

The ability to share custom maps with tiny variation is not comparable to LBP. Thats like saying that because a human being can suvive a cut on their leg, they can survive having their head amputated.

And anyway, the poiunt remains that M$ would try to charge for the sharing of content.

And it remains that the 360 is too crap to be able to handle the game, so its a moot point.

lawlessx

so explain why sharing the maps in halo3 are free.



No, no, you're missing the point... He's saying that because the LBP content is infinitely more complex than the free-shared content in Halo 3, MS would never allow something like you see in LBP. Personally, I'd just like to hear him explain why what LBP does is so different other than genre - you can do quite a bit with Forge... And neither of them comes close to PC modding, yet consolites on both sides rant and rave about Forge/LBP like they were something more than another iteration of the type of good fun some of us have been fiddling with for years.
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#22 Giancar
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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..lawlessx


I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.

i think microsoft allowed that

that's practically impossible

do you have a link?

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#23 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..Giancar


I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.

i think microsoft allowed that

that's practically impossible

do you have a link?

here ya go

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2008/03/28/microsoft-cool-with-master-chief-in-ut3-mod-for-ps3/

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Forza 2?
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#25 angry_fork
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Who cares? LBP looks terrible.Aljosa23

Made me laugh.

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#26 JLF1
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here ya go

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2008/03/28/microsoft-cool-with-master-chief-in-ut3-mod-for-ps3/

lawlessx

If they allow a Halo mod in one game I don't see why they wouldn't in another.


It's basically free commercial
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#27 locopatho
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[QUOTE="locopatho"]

They let me make my own games and play them on my 360 :shock:

The bastards!

soiheardyoulike

Xna might alow you to do that buh...buh...do they have sackboy?

Nope no Sackboy Lol. But now we getting away from editing and into cute mascots. And Kirby wins that fight.

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#28 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will modding isn't a retail game however..lawlessx


I'm talking about adding things to a retail game.

Unreal Tournament 3 has Halo mods in it yet the modders havn't been killed of.

i think microsoft allowed that

that's practically impossible

do you have a link?

here ya go

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2008/03/28/microsoft-cool-with-master-chief-in-ut3-mod-for-ps3/

well neither the mods, epic or Sony asked permission to M$

M$ just didn't anything abut that, so they "allowed" mods

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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

Like?

you don't think someone will make something that infringes copyright laws in that game, ever? They are already using Halo 3 music in the game, are they even allowed to do that?


Modders have done that in years yet they seem to be fine.

modding isn't a retail game however..

ok but media molecule arent SELLING content from other developers..theyre making their own game with its own content...other content is being SHARED amongst those who buy the game and create what they want...there is no profit therefore why would anyone file a lawsuit?...and as far as the whole part about being able to sell levels you create...im sure it will have to pass requirements that ensure there is no infrigement in order to be sold.

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#30 TheMistique
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once consoles can edit a fps game and change the genre to a driving/shooting game let me know. for example:

this is Half life 2. http://diprip.com/news.php5

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[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. Giancar

fanboys don't know how to bash games these days :roll:

he's bashing microsoft for not allowing user created content to be shared on their console. MS does this to avoid copyright lawsuits, fact. Now, go read my statement again, and sit down.
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#32 JLF1
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

fanboys don't know how to bash games these days :roll:

he's bashing microsoft for not allowing user created content to be shared on their console. MS does this to avoid copyright lawsuits, fact. Now, go read my statement again, and sit down.


Any link to that?

If you want to claim fact then bring proof.
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#33 Giancar
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[QUOTE="Giancar"]

[QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

fanboys don't know how to bash games these days :roll:

he's bashing microsoft for not allowing user created content to be shared on their console. MS does this to avoid copyright lawsuits, fact. Now, go read my statement again, and sit down.

how many times got Sony sued due UT3?

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#34 NAPK1NS
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Who cares? LBP looks terrible.Aljosa23

Your in GUFU and making comments like that? Really?

But of course Microsoft doesn't like that! How else would they sell their map packs?

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[QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"][QUOTE="JLF1"][QUOTE="hopesfall2own"]I'm sure there will be a lawsuit to result of LBP eventually from shared content for copyright issues, don't know why you applaud it. hopesfall2own

Like?

you don't think someone will make something that infringes copyright laws in that game, ever? They are already using Halo 3 music in the game, are they even allowed to do that?


Modders have done that in years yet they seem to be fine.

modding isn't a retail game however..


No, it isn't but neither Sony nor Media Molecule are providing the said content and developers as big as Bungie don't really have anything to gain except bad publicity from pressing charges against some lowly user.
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once consoles can edit a fps game and change the genre to a driving/shooting game let me know. for example:

this is Half life 2. http://diprip.com/news.php5

TheMistique

That's all?

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLgji6kK5Y&feature=related

many more. lots of better ones, the one i posted was just my first youtube search result.

Now my turn, find a sport game mod that doesn't suck balls, here's the console game's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua849wv982w

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#37 xion1234
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Who cares? LBP looks terrible.Aljosa23
go play you 360
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#38 AtrumRegina
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they don't allow that but they allow user created maps in far cry 2 ?

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Who cares? LBP looks terrible.xion1234
go play you 360

thats actually a compliment.
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#40 CFFAguy
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So OP how are the UT mods running on your 360?
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#41 The_Game21x
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I don't see why they wouldn't. Halo 3 already has a rudimentary sharing system built in in the form of its file share.
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#42 vashkey
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Banjo and Halo 3 disagree.

Really it depends on the circumstances.

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#43 stappy
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Banjo disagrees.

Really it depends on the circumstances.

vashkey

They allow users to create and share more than in LBP. They allow users to share videos too. They just don't allow people to mod(as in scripting or coding) games. Neither does Sony.

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#44 ReaperV7
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Who cares? LBP looks terrible.Aljosa23

/facepalm

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#45 vashkey
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[QUOTE="vashkey"]

Banjo disagrees.

Really it depends on the circumstances.

stappy

They allow users to create and share more than in LBP. They allow users to share videos too. They just don't allow people to mod(as in scripting or coding) games. Neither does Sony.

Yup, just like Halo 3.

Want a cookie? Really, big deal. Even Smash Brothers lets you do this.

LBP may have more, buts really the games foundation. Where as you know... In Halo it's largely about shooting and Banjo is about bulding vehicles to complete challenges.

When Microsoft makes somthing like LBP then try to compare and stuff.

Till then, this is just a pointless argument, not to mention completly false.

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#46 TheMistique
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[QUOTE="TheMistique"]

once consoles can edit a fps game and change the genre to a driving/shooting game let me know. for example:

this is Half life 2. http://diprip.com/news.php5

Gamerdude32234

That's all?

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLgji6kK5Y&feature=related

many more. lots of better ones, the one i posted was just my first youtube search result.

Now my turn, find a sport game mod that doesn't suck balls, here's the console game's:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua849wv982w

ok that halo 3 race track is the same thing as halo just a new map. did someone actually create those vehicles? or was that already in the game? it doesnt even compare at all to the amount of modding done in diprip. actually that halo race track doesnt have anything user created at all. you are still master cheif, just riding on an actual vehicle in a game on a map that has nothing custome in it. just all company made objects that users can select from. this halflife 2 mod is about 1000 times more user created than that little race track. seriously try again.

EDIT: and dont even get me started on that grifball or whatever, that has nothing in it that the halo 3 game doesnt already have. these arnt even close to mods kid.

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#47 diped
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They are letting us do it in Halo 3.

Dr_Snood
I think that was his point :P


I find it extremely disturbing that people try to compare something like level editing in Halo, or level creating, in LBP, to modding a game. The 2 before, require very little knowledge, and anyone can do it. The other one requires vast amounts of knowledge, learning, and tons of hours spent.

You simple cannot say "until a console can completely mod a game into something else then you can talk, until then pc rules". Why not just say "until you can make your own games on a console then talk to me" In which case you can with XNA, and the like. XNA and modding a game both require a lot of knowledge and learning. Both take a lot of time. And both take a lot of reading of tutorials, or post secondary education to know how to do.

Comparing level editors to mods is just ridiculous, what are people thinking when they do this? It's embarassing and just makes the person look like a complete fool.
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#48 TheMistique
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[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]

They are letting us do it in Halo 3.

diped
I think that was his point :P


I find it extremely disturbing that people try to compare something like level editing in Halo, or level creating, in LBP, to modding a game. The 2 before, require very little knowledge, and anyone can do it. The other one requires vast amounts of knowledge, learning, and tons of hours spent.

You simple cannot say "until a console can completely mod a game into something else then you can talk, until then pc rules". Why not just say "until you can make your own games on a console then talk to me" In which case you can with XNA, and the like. XNA and modding a game both require a lot of knowledge and learning. Both take a lot of time. And both take a lot of reading of tutorials, or post secondary education to know how to do.

Comparing level editors to mods is just ridiculous, what are people thinking when they do this? It's embarassing and just makes the person look like a complete fool.

this is very true. xna is pretty much modding.
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#49 Nedemis
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They are letting us do it in Halo 3.

Dr_Snood

it's been done well before Halo3...:| heck, you could even do it on the original Xbox...