Microsoft's Xbox 360 strategy: not good for its fanbase

Make no doubt about it, Microsoft will be profitable this generation. Will it make up for the loses last generation? No. Will ever recoup it's 7 billion losses on the XBOX business? It remains to be seen as, as those 7 billions would yield pretty good interests as well.

The following is clear:

The rush to come out first this generation has yileded an Xbox 360 that is weaker and much more unreliable than the PS3. The first year advantage cannot overcome a 4-5 year disadvantage in CPU power, console hardware features, and console reliability.

Microsoft will seek profitability over install base. The price cut didn't really make the 360 cheaper it only add 40 gigs for the same price. The cheaper consoles will be discontinued.

By making the 60 gig a standard, supporting Blu-ray this generatio is pretty much out of the question because Blu-ray plus a 60 gig is simply too expensive. It's very unlikely that 360 owners will ever experiece the next generation movie format that is Blu-ray. It's a big loss.

Microsoft has chosen to continue with their strategy of charging for LIVE. It's simple psychology to understand that doing so will scare away the casuals especially considering what the Wii offers and what the PS3 offers in terms of Blu-ray and free PSN. An additional problem is that Sony is taking the battle over online supremacy very seriously. Whether it's because of the P2P nature of LIVE or because of the weakness of the 360 console to handle larger multiplayer games, LIVE's weakness is beginning to show and Sony is taking full advantage of it. This E3 really shows that for large multiplayer gaming, or for user-generated content (Unreal Tournamen 3, and Little Big Planet), LIVE is clearly weaker than PSN. HOME is a nice bonus that the LIVE lacks as well.

For games, Microsoft has opted to use money as incentives for 3rd party timed exclusives. While it worked in the short run, it is a weak strategy in the long run. Good multiplats that first appear on the 360 are now coming to the PS3 with better graphics and extra features. To name a few, these games include Oblivion, Bioshock and Eternal Sonata. While a year or 2 ago, fans can say multiplats were better on the 360, this is no longer the case. I expect as more games are ported to the PS3 with improved graphics and features, multiplats overall will look and play better on the PS3. But the real battle will be between first party exclusives, and Microsoft is very weak in this area, especially since Bungie is no longer first party. Sony's strategy of investing heavily in first party is beggining to show. These games makes excellent use of the PS3's superior technology and as such will make 360 games look smaller and more outdated.

That Microsoft didn't realy show 2009 games this E3 is a big cause for concern. Without a doubt this is due to the lack of early investment in first party games. The future of the 360 looks bleak compared to that of the PS3.

It does look a little weaker than the PS3 for future games...

But now it has FFXIII, which is huge, so really, the competition is closer than you think.

It does look a little weaker than the PS3 for future games...

But now it has FFXIII, which is huge, so really, the competition is closer than you think.

the-very-best

I think that's what most people feel in general. It's probably part of the reason both consoles haven't exactly exploded with popularity. They're essentially splitting the vote.

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

It does look a little weaker than the PS3 for future games...

But now it has FFXIII, which is huge, so really, the competition is closer than you think.

the-very-best

yeah but in reality that doesn't make it stronger. for one the game won't come out for 2 years and it also is on the ps3. ms can't ride on this announcement for very long. in a month ff13 will just be another multiplatform game. you have to admit ms getting 1st party games would be better

I said it once and I will say it agin the death the console is coming ;)blackdreamhunk

Are you talking about any specific console or console gaming in general?

Either way, I think you're crazy.:P

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

It does look a little weaker than the PS3 for future games...

But now it has FFXIII, which is huge, so really, the competition is closer than you think.

sireclaborn

yeah but in reality that doesn't make it stronger. for one the game won't come out for 2 years and it also is on the ps3. ms can't ride on this announcement for very long. in a month ff13 will just be another multiplatform game. you have to admit ms getting 1st party games would be better

all the jrpgs, too human, banjo, viva, gears, fable 2, the pc/360 multiplats that arent going to ps3. the 360 is doing fine when it comes to exclusive games

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

MadExponent

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

agreed. why can't xbox and ps3 supports come together and just hate on the wii? =Pmotionxsickness

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Sihanouk

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

dont be a fanboy atleast give a list of these ps3 games, hell ill get it started

killzone 2, resistance 2, lbp, infamous, gow3, mag, socom

ill take the 360 line up over the ps3s anyday and atleast almost all the 360 exclusives have release dates

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Sihanouk

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

The 360's is not much weaker than the PS3. In fact, the 360's GPU and the memory architechure is better because of the unified architechure. The PS3 has an advantage with Blu-ray though, a big one too. The Cell CPU is theoretically more powerful the 360's XCPU, but it's excels in specific type of processing, one that is somewhat unconventional for game coding. But the 360 is less reliable, that's for sure. The RROD mainly happens to older models (before July 2007, at which point they put in an additional heatsink and revised the main one), but it was a big flaw that cost Microsoft big time. But the situation has and is improving significantly.

As for Live's inability to handle larger multiplayer sessions, well that's because Live doesn't use dedicated servers, it uses the users' own connection. So if a player's connection is bad, the session will lag. However, you have to remember, it's Microsoft. They can put in dedicated servers whenever the hell they want to.

But enough geek-talk. They are both great systems, and are getting even better, especially with the new features and games coming out.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

too_much_eslim

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

Haven't you heard of Metal Gear Solid 4? Also, Resistance 2 will be bigger and more epic than Gears 2 as well. Mortorstorm 2 shows good promise as well. And when Killzone 2 comes out, graphics and console power debates will be over except for the delusional.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

spliffstar12

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

dont be a fanboy atleast give a list of these ps3 games, hell ill get it started

killzone 2, resistance 2, lbp, infamous, gow3, mag, socom

ill take the 360 line up over the ps3s anyday and atleast almost all the 360 exclusives have release dates

Well, you know, KZ2, infamous, gow3, mag and FFXIII Versus are all 2009, maybe 2010(GOW3) titles. And these are exclusives, what does the 360 have in 09?

FF XIII(which will be a AAA or AAAA)

now it's almost certain that FF will be a great game, but the ps3 has more to back it up, idk any very important games for 09 on the 360...:|

Don't jump and call me a fanboy, but really idk what really great games the 360 has in 09(besides ff XIII)

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Sihanouk

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

Haven't you heard of Metal Gear Solid 4? Also, Resistance 2 will be bigger and more epic than Gears 2 as well. Mortorstorm 2 shows good promise as well. And when Killzone 2 comes out, graphics and console power debates will be over except for the delusional.

Nice to see that Sony fans no longer care about RPGs though.

I'll be playing those and Gears too.

[QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Sihanouk

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

by bigger and better games were you refering to MGS4? Thats the only game I see that is coming anywhere close to actually using the PS3s power.

[QUOTE="spliffstar12"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Al3x_n90

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

dont be a fanboy atleast give a list of these ps3 games, hell ill get it started

killzone 2, resistance 2, lbp, infamous, gow3, mag, socom

ill take the 360 line up over the ps3s anyday and atleast almost all the 360 exclusives have release dates

Well, you know, KZ2, infamous, gow3, mag and FFXIII Versus are all 2009, maybe 2010(GOW3) titles. And these are exclusives, what does the 360 have in 09?

FF XIII(which will be a AAA or AAAA)

now it's almost certain that FF will be a great game, but the ps3 has more to back it up, idk any very important games for 09 on the 360...:|

Don't jump and call me a fanboy, but really idk what really great games the 360 has in 09(besides ff XIII)

[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"][QUOTE="MadExponent"]

MS stands in a good middle ground position. They want to pull hardcore and casuals. Sony...well I really don't understand Sony's market strategy. Goodness based on PS2 sequels?

Nintendo has firmly established their primary interest is breaking the psychological barrier! Where is the GIF for that? If there isn't one, there needs to be.

Sihanouk

Actually, Microsoft is in a weak middle position. Especially now with bigger and better games coming out for the PS3. It will never have a significant causal fanbase because it charges for LIVE. With Trophies, HOME, and larger games that the 360 can't compete with, the PS3 will take over the hardcore as well. In a game of chess, Microsoft is in a weak position, I tell you.

Haven't you heard of Metal Gear Solid 4? Also, Resistance 2 will be bigger and more epic than Gears 2 as well. Mortorstorm 2 shows good promise as well. And when Killzone 2 comes out, graphics and console power debates will be over except for the delusional.

gears 2 isnt even in the same genre as resistance 2 so comparing them is stupid but i bet my life gears will score better. motorstrom 2? are you serious? motorstorm will be one of the games to destroy the 360s library? killzone 2 is another generic fps which has nothin new going for it. if the 360 is in so much trouble give a list that is better then this

forza 3, star ocean 4, tales of vesperia, infinite undiscovery, banjo nuts and bolts, gears 2, too human, fable 2, halo wars, viva pinata 2, the new halo and all the pc/360 multiplats not going to the ps3

Sony makes consoles with 10 year life cycles in mind M$ only thinks for the short term. Sony already has caught M$ in with 10 million registered PSN users in half the time. It's only a matter of time before PSN overtakes Live as the number one online service for hardcore gamers. Free online > Pay to play. This is the year of Playstation with games like LittleBigPlanet, Socom, Resistance 2, and tons of other little PSN network titles on the rise. Now with the launch of the Playstation Video store and firmware 2.4 PSN is basically on par with Live and it's all for FREE. What's crazy is we get so many good games this year and next year will be even better with Killzone 2,(new console graphics king) and INFAMOUS in early 2009 and God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5(THE GRAND DADDY OF RACING GAMES) at the end of the year.-Renegade

i hope you realize that 10 year life cycle of the ps3 will be the same as the ps2s. the ps4 will be out but people will still buy the ps3 even when theirs nothing new coming out for it just like whats happening with the ps2 now

well one of the reasons they pulled the plug on the new bungie announcement was because they wanted too keep the focus on games that would be out by the end of this year. so if you're complaining about no 09 games it was because they didn't want to talk about them. it was intentional.omarguy01

LOL. They want you to think it's intentional. Games company like to hype their games. It's a lot more likely that Microsoft didn't want to show games that can't compete with the PS3 ones.

[QUOTE="omarguy01"]well one of the reasons they pulled the plug on the new bungie announcement was because they wanted too keep the focus on games that would be out by the end of this year. so if you're complaining about no 09 games it was because they didn't want to talk about them. it was intentional.Sihanouk

LOL. They want you to think it's intentional. Games company like to hype their games. It's a lot more likely that Microsoft didn't want to show games that can't compete with the PS3 ones.

i posted my list of 360 games so post your amazing list that destoys the 360s

I learned long ago never to listen to shianouk your facts aren't facts they are opinions and you continuely say they are fact, your proofs are wavy at best with the smallest evidence to back them up.

Like someone said Games will win the generation, and who has the games? nintendo does, they targeted a demographic and that demographic is...every one else besdies gamers and its paying off massively and they are delivering on the games for that demographic.

Microsoft is 2nd to that, and sony last in the games department sony is not delivering on games.

Which is why my ps3 doesn't see any gametime, yet my ps2 and ps1 and psp still do even today.

Because the stratagy of showing games that have no release date and won't be out forever because you have nothing better to show is good for the fans???

Man, it's the gullibility of you folks that makes me so crazy.

This is like the third E3 in a row that MS "lost" because they have release dates and not pie in the sky promises that people fall for every time.

It's not Sony that has made the PS3 what it is, it's a fanbase that will accept CGI trailers and promises instead of games.

TC, Oblivion/Bioshock/Eternal Sonata HAVE to have added features because they are so old they need something to draw sales. And I'd hope that they look better, they've had enough extra developement time it would be a complete embarassment if the DIDN'T. But you know that, right? You're not this stupid, right? I guess you're contractually obligated as Sony's spokesman to leave these triffling details out. Glad I could help!

Which games do you mean when you say large multiplayer gaming? List them.

Haven't you heard of Metal Gear Solid 4? Also, Resistance 2 will be bigger and more epic than Gears 2 as well. Mortorstorm 2 shows good promise as well. And when Killzone 2 comes out, graphics and console power debates will be over except for the delusional.

Sihanouk

So... just wait? How long have we been hearing this? And still the 360 gives the better gaming experience. But that's all about to change, right? The games that show teh powerz of deh cell are just around the corner, right? Enjoy your glorified MGS4 delivery device.

[QUOTE="omarguy01"]well one of the reasons they pulled the plug on the new bungie announcement was because they wanted too keep the focus on games that would be out by the end of this year. so if you're complaining about no 09 games it was because they didn't want to talk about them. it was intentional.Sihanouk

LOL. They want you to think it's intentional. Games company like to hype their games. It's a lot more likely that Microsoft didn't want to show games that can't compete with the PS3 ones.

Making up stuff FTL.

the TC has been posting threads like these every since microsoft's press conference

fakeboys just do the same thing over and over. they make a thread about how they're console will destory the rest during that year and give a nice list of titles. Once people start posting lineups for the other consoles..the TC then either ignores the post or simply says " so what? they all look like crap" this usually ends with the TC leaving the thread and wait afew hours before posting anything else.

i mean really....cows are STILL saying gears of war 2 is the only game coming out this year for the 360 :roll:

I said it once and I will say it agin the death the console is coming ;)blackdreamhunk

please stay on topic.

Make no doubt about it, Microsoft will be profitable this generation. Will it make up for the loses last generation? No. Will ever recoup it's 7 billion losses on the XBOX business? It remains to be seen as, as those 7 billions would yield pretty good interests as well.

Well, I don't hink MS cares for that much.

The following is clear:

The rush to come out first this generation has yileded an Xbox 360 that is weaker and much more unreliable than the PS3. The first year advantage cannot overcome a 4-5 year disadvantage in CPU power, console hardware features, and console reliability.

Console reliability, ok. Power? Check this:

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1

This time, please read. Every time you talk about power you sound ridiculous, so please read it.

Microsoft will seek profitability over install base. The price cut didn't really make the 360 cheaper it only add 40 gigs for the same price. The cheaper consoles will be discontinued.

By making the 60 gig a standard, supporting Blu-ray this generatio is pretty much out of the question because Blu-ray plus a 60 gig is simply too expensive. It's very unlikely that 360 owners will ever experiece the next generation movie format that is Blu-ray. It's a big loss.

No, it is not. Blue ray is no that important. Will it become important? No one knows. But right now it is not an argument.

Microsoft has chosen to continue with their strategy of charging for LIVE. It's simple psychology to understand that doing so will scare away the casuals especially considering what the Wii offers and what the PS3 offers in terms of Blu-ray and free PSN. An additional problem is that Sony is taking the battle over online supremacy very seriously. Whether it's because of the P2P nature of LIVE or because of the weakness of the 360 console to handle larger multiplayer games, LIVE's weakness is beginning to show and Sony is taking full advantage of it. This E3 really shows that for large multiplayer gaming, or for user-generated content (Unreal Tournamen 3, and Little Big Planet), LIVE is clearly weaker than PSN. HOME is a nice bonus that the LIVE lacks as well.

Yes, but MS has 4 years of advantage in online. Yes, PSN will get better, but so will Live. And, talking about Home, last time I checked it won't be released until sometime 2009, so is " a nice bonus" that the PS3 lacks as well.

For games, Microsoft has opted to use money as incentives for 3rd party timed exclusives. While it worked in the short run, it is a weak strategy in the long run. Good multiplats that first appear on the 360 are now coming to the PS3 with better graphics and extra features. To name a few, these games include Oblivion, Bioshock and Eternal Sonata. While a year or 2 ago, fans can say multiplats were better on the 360, this is no longer the case. I expect as more games are ported to the PS3 with improved graphics and features, multiplats overall will look and play better on the PS3. But the real battle will be between first party exclusives, and Microsoft is very weak in this area, especially since Bungie is no longer first party. Sony's strategy of investing heavily in first party is beggining to show. These games makes excellent use of the PS3's superior technology and as such will make 360 games look smaller and more outdated.

Oblivion is ocnsidered better in the 360 (less pop up, I read). The PS3 version is a port. And, again, check all the graphics comparissions about multiplats. The 360 wins in almost everyone. And Bungie has said they will continue working with MS, so no problem there.

And check the link again, I hope you finaly understand that the PS3 is not superior.

That Microsoft didn't realy show 2009 games this E3 is a big cause for concern. Without a doubt this is due to the lack of early investment in first party games. The future of the 360 looks bleak compared to that of the PS3.

No its not. IN the 2007 they didn't show games for the 2008, but still we enjoyed this year with a lot of good games. An there are a lot excellent ones coming. So that's only speculation. And what games showed Sony for the 2009? Just a 10 sec. CGI teaser of GoW 3 and DC MMO (since when is a Dc game a killer ap?... no comments). M.A.G. won't be coming until 2010, for sure.

MS and Ninty doesn't show games 2-3 years before, but games that will be released in the next months. We will be playing:

Gears 2, Banjo, Halo Wars, The Last Remnant (timed exclusive), Infinite Undescover, Star Ocean, Fable 2, Too Human, Splinter Cell Conviction, the Next Bungie project and tons of great multiplats like RE5, Fallout 3 and... FFXIII.

Really, if you want to be taken seriously, you have to try harder.

Sihanouk

wow i just read your entire post and all i have to say is that was beyond stupidspliffstar12

Typical Shinaouk post. He takes whatever position he thinks attacks the 360 the best. Regardless of how ironic or illogical the position is. Got to love SW. MS is trying to expand the market and, as usual, TC thinks anything MS does is bad. I will reserve judgment to see where this thing is going.

E3 made MS strategy pretty clear throw money at 3rd parties to make games multiplatform and rip off all the innovative features of your competitors. It's really sad when your biggest announcement is a multiplatform game but then again that has been the trend for MS. Look at the biggest news coming from MS's last few E3s: RE5 multiplat, GTA4 multiplatform, and FFXIII multiplatform or exclusive dlc for a multiplat title. MS is trying to win with their pocket books and not with ingenuity or 1st party software. MS showcased 2 multiplatform titles to open their show and an old trailer of a multiplatform game to end it. Basically, MS rushed to market to get an install base (which they have screwed over with RROD, nickle and diming for wifi, hard drive, live etc) and now throws their pocket book at anyone who will take it. Hell even though live has better features it doesn't have the same game performance as psn. LIVE has lag and host advantages on a p2p network that you pay for, while PSN is free has lagfree dedicated servers that support higher player counts. While 360 biggest multiplayer titles struggle with 10 and 16 player counts, ps3 exclusives have pressed 32 (kz2, warhawk, socom), 40 (r:fom), 60 (r2), and even 256 (MAG) player counts without a hitch.

On the other hand, Sony develops everything in house with great 1st and 2nd party support and it shows as ps3 exclusives look better and have more impressive tech than most multiplatform or 360 exclusives. Sony's big exclusives are exclusive this gen bc they made them, they didn't throw checks at someone and say "hey make this for us too" and wind up with a game that doesn't take advantage of either hardware.

I think eventually until MS builds their 1st game studio portfolio that this trend will continue with MS throwing $ at 3rd parties to try to even the odds with Sony and in the end this gen will end with the two even or Sony on top thanks to 1st party games. Right now I think that your LIVE fee isn't for the service but so MS can throw money at everyone. The problem is eventually you run out of money and you have to get that money from somewhere and that somewhere is the player through bull crap pricing ($179 for 120gb??? $99 for wifi??? $5 for gamer pics and themes??? $279-400 for a machine that craps out).

You may not agree with my love for Sony but you have to admitt that MS has a serious problem when they have no 1st party development and they need to rely on multiplatform titles to garner attention

It does look a little weaker than the PS3 for future games...

But now it has FFXIII, which is huge, so really, the competition is closer than you think.

the-very-best

You could have said the same about future games at last year's E3 for 2008 though, and look at all the games being delivered this fall. Fable 2, Gears 2, Banjo 3, Portal: Still Alive, Too Human, The Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery, etc. None of these games were mentioned at last years E3 but came in 08, I suspect the same for 2009.

in reponse to IronBass, Oblivion is better on ps3 noted in several reviews. PS3 version has better framerate and less pop-in due to standardized hdd. If you think I'm joking go look at ign's live blog of the sony conference where it comments that bethesda basically loves that the ps3 has a standard hddjyoung312

and nearly all of those reviews were before the update was released for the 360 that put it onpar with ps3 interms of load times, and popup.

E3 2005: Look at us we have Killzone 2, Killing Day, Fifth Phantom Saga, Tekken 6, Coded Arms and PS3 will be best evar!!!!

E3 2006: Look at us we have Killzone 2, GT5, Elveon, FFXIII, Heavy Rain, Ace Combat 6, Tekken 6, Sly Cooper, Eight Days, Endless Saga, and PS3 will be best evar!!!!

E3 2007: Look at us we have Killzone 2, GT5, Home, Tekken 6, Infamous, Little big Planet, Monster Hunter 3, Frontlines, Saints Row 1, Getaway, and PS3 will be best evar!!!!

E3 2008: Look at us we have Killzone 2, GT5, Home, Infamous, Little big Planet, MAG, and God of War 3 and PS3 will be best evar!!!!

Lmao, peoples gullibility is amazing.

I DON'T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT BLU-RAY! IT ISN'T REQUIRED FOR GAMING JUST YET!